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Honda Accord Diesel????



  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,469
    Obama was not in office when Honda killed the diesel.

    Emissions are still federal, but states can choose to have higher standards _ like California et all.

    States have always had control over enforcing emissions. In SD there are no emissions inspections at all. No safety inspections either for that matter. In fact I don't have a single sticker on my windshield.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 31,135
    That sounds kind of dumb. There hybrids are not all that great. The Accord was a total flop. They could not give the old Insight away. The Civic is only marginally successful. With Toyota matching the price of the new Honda Insight who will buy it over the proven Prius? I think Honda is losing their edge. They have increasingly lost out and missed the mark. They should have stuck with diesels at least for their large vehicles.
  • blufz1blufz1 Posts: 2,045
    Just put the 2.2 diesel in the Civic,CRV,and Accord and Honda meets the 35 mpg regs for those cars. No muss;No fuss. That's why I think we still may have a second chance at the Honda Diesel. Fingers crossed.
  • jhinscjhinsc Posts: 399
    I agree. Mercedes just introduced the E250 with a 2.2 liter diesel at the NY auto show. If they can do it, why can't Honda? If the E250 comes to the U.S., it's on my short list when my 08 V6 is up for replacement in 2011.
  • quipsquips Posts: 9
    I agree with that ... I saw that in the NY Times' coverage of the auto show and read about that. I'd wait it out as well. If Honda doesn't come around to reconsider the diesel, Honda will not be considered by me ;o)
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,469
    From what I read the stickshift passed EPA and the Auto didn't. They should have just brought the stick over until the auto was ready. Could test the waters that way. Honda (and others) have had stick only in some sporty and/or niche vehicles. (Si, first Insight etc.)

    Even if they didn't sell a bunch they could have still beaten their chest about having such an efficient large car available (should beat Camry Hybrid - especially on the road). It certainly would have been as popular as the ill conceived Accord Hybrid
  • mvpelmvpel Posts: 1
    Don't you just love how the EPA is contributing to our dependence on foreign oil by blocking a car that would easily double my current fuel economy? It's just irritating.
  • bhill2bhill2 Posts: 1,790
    Don't you just love how the EPA is contributing to our dependence on foreign oil by blocking a car that would easily double my current fuel economy? It's just irritating.

    Tell me about it. And the irony is that diesels turn out less CO than gas engines, but they get no credit for that from the EPA.

    2009 BMW 335i, 2003 Corvette cnv. (RIP 2001 Jaguar XK8 cnv and 1985 MB 380SE [the best of the lot])

  • savinsavin Posts: 4
    Yes isn't it great Just think on the diesel level and the new calif .regs ..they are not concerened about the emmissions! ONLY THE YEAR OF ENGINE. when told we can meet the 2007 emissions with a 1995 manual motor cat, california board of air quality told us we "are not concerned at this time and only interested in the year model!This is a good example of costing the trucking industry millions! We have produced a unit that is designed strickly for class 8 trucks and gains 20 -25 % in fuel mileage !
  • quipsquips Posts: 9
    Tells us about California ... the state that had to print IOU's to pay its debt(s)! What arrogance now to try to mandate exhaust emissions stardards for the rest of the country ... from a state that can't afford to pay its own debts!
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 31,135
    from a state that can't afford to pay its own debts!

    I would hate to see this turn into a political debate. But the bullies that run this state have stomped on so many freedoms that the Honda diesel is just minute compared to all the rest. So don't get me started on the Soviet Socialist Republic of California as so many disgruntled residents like to call it.
  • From my observations, most of the CR-V's here in UK are 2.2 i-CTDi diesels. 138bhp/251lbft seems to work pretty well. Same engine appears in the Civic, (and the now-defunct FR-V), but the Accord gets the 2.2 i-DTEC with 148bhp/258lbft.

    If you're not familiar with it, the FR-V was a 6 seat 5-door hatch/SUV similar in size to the CR-V; just a little narrower; 2 rows of "smart" 3-abreast seats and lots of just didn't sell too well, hence it was killed off. :(
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,469
    Honda is starting to lose my respect. Dropping the diesel and adding guzzlers like the new crossovers are really hurting them in my eyes.

    A diesel Accord wagon would be an absolute segment buster. More interior space than most SUV's with better mpg than a Civic. All without clumsy SUV handling and braking. No brainer to me - just don't get how hardly anybody else sees this.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    I agree. Like how could they release the Crosstour and not make a 4-cylinder engine available? It is V-6 only! Venza has a 4-cylinder, Outback has a 4-cylinder. Honda is barely trying these days....

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,469
    Even the next generation Sienna minivan will have an available 4-cyl engine.

    Honda is not alone though. Mazda was pretty boneheaded with the 6 wagon only having a V-6. It was about the perfect vehicle for me but I did not consider it because the mpg was worse than my wifes V-6 minivan. Wound up with an Accord I-4 stick that has averaged 34.5 mpg over 76,000 miles (yes I figure every tank). A diesel wagon would be better than my vehicle in just about every way.

    Lets see the innovation from the CVCC days Honda. Bring us a diesel and drop the overweight barges.
  • I have a sheet with lease info and I wonder if anyone could tell me if this is a good deal or not....I can leave my email and send it as an attachment - but the info is below:

    I think I should ask/negotiate for invoice for selling price, right now it is the MSRP.

    Any help would be appreciated!

    Thanks, John

    selling price (actually MSRP) 22730
    acq & cap fees 864
    trade allowance 2700
    cash cap reduction 1277.44
    Net Cap cost 20186.68
    MSRP 22730
    residual 58%
    lease end value 13183.40
    money fact sell rate 0.00084
    1st payment 222.56
    amount due at start 1500
    customer cash 1500
    tax [window] 570.12
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 11,041
    This is a discussion about the potential for a diesel version of the Accord. I see you've posted in our lease questions discussion, so please check for responses there.


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