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Land Rover LR3



  • tdo123tdo123 Posts: 102
    Agreed. I am sure you meet all types of people and all go about their "dealing" in different ways.
  • Good News. The dealer said my problems were due to low voltage in the battery. He is guessing it was never fully charged from the factory? Seems a bit strange but they said the battery was OK and just needed a full charge. I'll keep an eye on things but I'm happy to get by car back. :)
  • My wife likes the look of the A-Frame Protection Bar on the LR3 and I was planning on having it intalled. Fortunately I asked the service guy at my dealer and he showed me one. After seeing how flimsy the top fasterners are, I decided not to get one. The top fasteners are so flimsy one of them unhooked when the service guy shook the protection bar! He was saying, "I think the fasteners are rather flimsy, OOPS"...
  • kkonekkone Posts: 61
    Hey Tahoedog: I would recommend that you save your money and just install a set of the Yakima Control Tower mounts in the factory rack tray and then mount the normal round cross bars with the Yakima ski racks. I drive 200 miles from the San Francisco Bay Area to Lake Tahoe and have no wind noise. By going with Yakima racks instead of Land Rover you will have a lot more options in terms of other attachments you put up there. The rack takes about 5 minutes to take on and off the car. It locks with the same (SKS System) key for the racks and the ski racks.

    Hope this helps
  • hello freinds,

    so after months of lurking around and posting endless stream of questions, i finally purchased my first land rover yesterday, '06 HSE (LUX & HD) zambezi with alpaca (i know i know, the silver with black thing. i sort of went for the airy and luxurious feel of beige, it doesn't look all that bad with silver from outside). this thing of beauty arrives at the dealership on the 5th and am hoping to drive it home the next day (although, i will certainly be at the dealer on the fifth to take a look) so i can have a little inaugural weekend trip. besides being my first land rover, this is also my first time buying a brand new car so any advice will be really helpful...also, about the break-in procedures, etc.

    just wanted to thank everyone for all the help and answers that i have gotten from you all. obviously, extremely excited and just cant wait to drive it. Also, the dealer honored the $1500 offer from LR.
  • Hi Jalt,

    i test drove both the GX470 and LR3 several times before making my decision. in fact, i test drove the LR3 for a total of six times and at another time i rented it and kept it for a couple of days for a trip out of town. for those couple of days i had a chance to drive the LR3 in various driving conditions, the stop and go traffic in the city as well as on the freeway, and i had zero complains. quick turns, pick ups and stops here and there were great.

    once, i owned a 95 mitsubishi montero SR (the original bigger model with the variable valve timing 24 valves DOHC 3.5 liter V6 with 215hp/228 torque@3000 rpm motor to move arouund 4440 pounds), i know, no comparision at all, but when i owned it, believe it or not, it had been the motor trend's fastest SUV just a year before i bought it (0-60 in 11 some seconds. yes, back then, this was considered fast for SUVs). and with that truck i wasn't really happy when i would be in a rush and would go thru city blocks of stop and go traffic. when i test drove the GX470, its top heaviness and other ride characteristics reminded me a little bit of my montero.

    the ride quality of LR3 is more refined then the GX470 which felt a whole lot more top heavy. i mean i dont wanna say only negative things about the GX470, the pick-up of its new 270 some horse power engine felt good and smooth, etc., the leather quality and seating were very comfortable, and there are other bunch of things that i had really liked in the GX470 such as the rear view camera and a household type AC outlet in the back to connect laptop or other stuff (no converters required), etc. but the ride quality and the solid one-piece feel of LR3 more than made up for the other stuff. pop up the hood and then shut it, open a door and shut it, sit in the rear seat and then grab one of the handles on a front seat head rest and try shaking it a little. I mean, this vehicle is seriously built like a tank.

    it also very much boils down to the personal liking/taste as well. for instance, the GX470's dashboard is very luxurious and plush and everything, but i was just not diggin it all that much. I liked LR3's cockpit style design and chunky controls, etc.

    As far as the reliability goes, yes i was also very much concerned, but i also knew that ford/landrover have gone to great lenghts to make this product of theirs a reliable one. they have seriously attempted to undo their bad rep in this regard. i mean pretty much everything on this vehicle, the trim pieces, all the 4WD hardware/drivetrain and its components, etc. have been extensively tested over and over in various parts of the world. and personally i decided to take comfort in that. I doubt it that even the current Range Rover has gone thru so much testing. as of this writing for your money, with LR3 you get the exact same drivetrain as in Range Rover and a much more strong and better chassis/platform good for both serious offroading (more wheel travel and rear diff lock, which i think is not available in rangie) and on road driving for around 25k less.

    my 2c...
  • mark156mark156 Posts: 2,006
    Congratulations on your new LR3 HSE purchase! I know that you will love it once it arrives. I've had mine about 3 weeks and enjoy every minute of it.

    I have 625 miles on my SUV and will be going on a 1,800 mile trip in two weeks. I want to get close 1,000 miles on it before the long trip.

    The Land Rover dealer said my next service will be at 7,500 miles. They never mentioned any "break-in" procedures. Since this is my 10th new vehicle (had 4 used ones) I know not to "over extend" the RPM gauge. I've never had a problem with the break-in of any of my new cars.

    Mark :D
    2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
  • pbroverpbrover Posts: 43
    Just picked up my new 2005 :confuse: HSE7. I have 3 kids under 7 so I want to have installed the Land Rover Rosen video system. From the pictures on the web it looks like the Land Rover kit used to install the system removes the "reading lights" which are a part of the rear seat climate control panel. Am I right? :confuse:
  • pbroverpbrover Posts: 43
    There are lights in the rear bumper that I cannot get to turn on. I thought they were the rear fog lights, but they do not turn on when I turn on the rear fog lights (the rear fogs turn on but they are in the brake light assembly). What are they and how do I turn them on? :confuse:
  • pbroverpbrover Posts: 43
    Found this post from another forum. At one time it seems that the 2nd row seat covers were incorrectly made. Has this been fixed. The post was from Feb 2005. Does LR tmake 3rd row seat covers?

    Because I have a 5 year old I decided to invest in a waterproof seat cover for row two. £160 later I tried to ft them. All nicely tailored with LR logos. They would look just the job. Unfortunately I've just spent a frustrating time trying to get the middle seat back cover to fit on row 2. The designers seemed to have forgotted that there is a seat belt attached to the middle seat back. They haven't allowed a split up the side of the seat cover to allow it to go around the seat whilst leaving the seatbelt operational. D'oh!

    Update 7/2/2005:
    Contacted LR. Apparently there was a manufacturing fault with the initial batch. They have issued a recall and I should get a new set in days.
  • pbroverpbrover Posts: 43
    Has anybody figured out a way to protect the carpet on the rear tailgate?
  • mark156mark156 Posts: 2,006
    phrover, my understanding is that the rear bumper lights are just reflectors; they do not illuminate.

    2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
  • grommetgrommet Posts: 445
    Yes, the Rosen/Land Rover unit has its own lighting. The kit replaces the whole unit assembly, so you lose the original lights. If you don't like this, a custom installer may be able to do different install with a smaller unit that will require less modification.
  • grommetgrommet Posts: 445
    So, what made you think they were lights? They look like reflectors. Just curious... :D FYI: I broke one reflector on my LR3... I think it cost me $15.
  • Have purchased 2006 RRS - backup camera was not an option. Have you had any success with your camera invesitagtion/integration with the LR3?
  • Would appreciate info on backup camera connection/installation for my 2006 Range Rover Sport. LR doesn't offer a backup camera for the RRS. I could also watch DVDs on my GX470 display when in park with the emergency brake on. I went to the link but it wouldn't open. Thanks
  • grommetgrommet Posts: 445
    As posted before, no solution. Nav-TV is supposedly working on something, but I'm sure it'll be costly. Sorry, I have not figured out how to "tell" the system to enable the latent rear view camera logic -- that's the first step. (It exists on 05+ Range Rover... which has common infotainment electronics with the LR3 and RRS now.)

    Beyond that, you'll need to see if any custom installers have come up with total screen "bypass" solution... which is common on other makes.
  • We have started offering an aftermarket back up camera system for the LR3 and the Sport. The camera plays on the screen for vehicles equiped with navigation and in the interior rear view mirror if you do not have nav. We have not installed it on any vehicles yet but when we do install I will let you guys know how it looked.

    I really don't understand the facination with the back up camera. I mean I understand everyone wants more toys but honestly for the sport and the LR3 you do not need it the vehicles just aren't long/wide enough. You have PDC and great visibility out of the vehicle along with pretty large mirrors.

    I used to work for UPS and we have back up cameras on all of our larger trucks because you have no way of seeing out the back because of the solid rear doors. You should still only use the back up camera as a guide and continue to use the mirrors and look behind you as well.
  • steverstever Posts: 52,572
    This member felt the same way until he got a backup system on his newest SUV:

    paisan, "Cadillac Escalade" #776, 7 Aug 2005 12:42 am

    Steve, Host
  • I was talking about back up cameras not sonar like systems like Park Distance control or Mercedes Parktronic.

    From his post it seems like he was talking about the beep, beep type sensors that beep faster as you approach an obstacle. Those are very good to have espesialy with vehicles like ours and they are even useful off road since they can let you know if you have the clearance to make it around a boulder or tree.
  • grommetgrommet Posts: 445
    british_rover, please post whose aftermarket product you are installing if your service department ever get one installed & working on a Navigation equipped vehice. :) And, if at all possible, some details how it's connected to the screen -- I assume some form of total video bypass, unless someone finally did enable and use the dormant "Range Rover" backup camera bits.
  • I will track down the name of the company sometime today and post it. I will let you guys know if we ever install one.
  • cppcpp Posts: 36
    I really don't understand the facination with the back up camera. I mean I understand everyone wants more toys but honestly for the sport and the LR3 you do not need it the vehicles just aren't long/wide enough. You have PDC and great visibility out of the vehicle along with pretty large mirrors.

    I'll have to respectfully disagree with you here. Granted, the camera isn't absolutely needed, but it sure is a nice-to-have feature. It just seems odd that you would say there's no need for the camera, then defend the PDC - they both address the same issue, it's just that the camera does so much better. There's no need to wonder just how much clearance the different beeps represent, just look and see whether you've got 1', 6", 1"...
    As with many nice-to-haves (keyless ignition, integrated XM, intelligent cruise, integrated DVD...), I originally doubted that the camera would really be worth having. After about 2-1/2 yrs of driving a vehicle in which I can back up within an inch or two of the car behind me with no fear of contact, it's actually pretty annoying not to have the camera in the LR3.

    As with all my opinions, this one is my own, and yours may vary.
  • The difference with the PDC is that it is not monopolizing your sight it is using your hearing. The thing about the back up camera is I get worried that some people will rely on it too much and not pay attention to their surroundings. The camera should be used just as a guide but you should also check all of your mirrors, turn around and do all of the other normal stuff you do when you back up. The PDC doesn't make you look down at as screen for it to function since you can just hear it working.

    I do like the Range Rover back up camera over say the lexus versions of it since the camera is mounted up high by the roof line and therefore gives you sightlines that are closer to natural. The lexus camera is mounted down low by the bumper and you get this very weird look of the world.
  • grommetgrommet Posts: 445
    The biggest benefit for a reverse camera for would be to see debris or small children that you or the PDC sensors might not normally see. Beyond that, I'd agree with british_rover. I can park within a couple of inches with just PDC and "experience." And yes, like most technology... I'm sure reverse cameras are abused now. You still need to turn around and be aware of your environment.
  • steverstever Posts: 52,572
    Yeah, Paisan has the OEM beep style sensor, although he's working on his carputer install and I wouldn't be surprised to hear he connected cameras to his DVD screen.

    It was interesting to see Paisan do an about face on the usefulness of the reverse sensor - this is a guy who works and drives a lot in Manhattan and usually parallel parks, like everyone else there, by "feel."

    Steve, Host
  • Everyone should also keep in mind that its not just about convenience and safety.

    Another important aspect of this discussion that should not be overlooked is the fact that expectations tend to change with changing times, technology, and what-you-get-for-your-money. About ten years ago when i bought my near-lux category SUV, I was more than ok with only one driver's side airbag because, well, thats usually what we got back then for the price I paid for the car. Now I wouldn't imagine paying that amount of money and not getting passenger's side airbag.

    In today's highly competitive market when you have other manufacturers offering certain amenities/niceties (that are sure to become "cannot live without" necessaties or perhaps mandatory specifications in the future) within the same class/category and price range, your expectations alter accordingly.

    I drive in Manhattan every day, and having driven for more than 23 years (bulk of it in Karachi, if you have driven there and are still alive, you can drive any where in the @#!ing world) I certainly consider myself an "experienced" driver. But I would not mind having a camera which I could use to be able to parallel park and stuff in the cramped cross streets of Manhattan literally within inches without having to kiss the crude and rusty bumper of the delivery truck parked behind my brand new SUV, and ofcourse not by just staring at the nav screen only but looking around as well.

    Furthermore, we all know very well that LR certainly would want to maintain a distance between their top dog and the rest of their lineup. And we LR3 owners suffer from that a little. Otherwise, I am damn sure we would have had that very same camera in our LR3s that they offer in the very same core system in the Range Rover aside from other things like motorized stearing wheel tilt/telescopic controls, etc., which are available in the very vehicle Land Rover is trying to compete against, the GX 470.

    Now, having said all that, I want you guys to know that I do understand that we are also paying for the name brand, heritage, a high "cool" factor, extra heavy duty hardware and the capabilities that come with it, etc., and other things like events/adventures and the thrill of it and such that usually are not necessarily associated with other brands within the said price range and therefore set the LR brand apart.
  • With as many problems as the range rover has had with the power tilt/telescope steering wheel you really do not want one.
  • mark156mark156 Posts: 2,006
    British_... that's why I wasn't concerned about NOT getting the "turning" headlights... I've never had them before so I wouldn't miss them. To me, it's just one more thing to break.

    And, I'm glad that I don't have the electric steering column (not available on the LR3 anyway) because they usually are too slow moving, and again, just another thing to break.

    Also, I saw a black LR3 just like mine today and it HAD the mud-guards. Just as I suspected, they don't appear to be flexible so they could break during rough terrain. If they are flexible, I will stand corrected. :blush:

    Manoftaste... good post above. :shades:

    Mark :)
    2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
  • I just bought an LR3 SE with PTI. My phone has bluetooth but many of the features only work with a phone docked in the car. Does anyone know what phones can dock in the LR3? My dealer was unsure but thought only Nokia. Anyone know which ones work? Or can the dock adapt to other phones? thanks.
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