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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 45,637
    xwesx said:

    stickguy said:

    I figure that after almost 50 years, any issues like that have been sorted out.

    Too many vehicles under discussion.... to which were you referring?
    In this case, the Capri. But concept holds for most any old car with known flaws. Such as a Panera. They had major defects from new, but any of them still on the road, have long since had upgrades done to resolve them.

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  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAMember Posts: 8,576
    Turns out it was a good thing I did not try to replace my EV charger myself. The new one was a completely different model requiring new wiring from the junction box, moving the mounting, etc. Anyway, all set now. Turns out that the previous model I had was known for a bad batch of circuit boards in its final run...lucky me!
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  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaMember Posts: 15,764

    Turns out it was a good thing I did not try to replace my EV charger myself. The new one was a completely different model requiring new wiring from the junction box, moving the mounting, etc. Anyway, all set now. Turns out that the previous model I had was known for a bad batch of circuit boards in its final run...lucky me!

    Yeah, great timing there! Hahah; oh, well, it's resolved now, and it seems like it was done rather quickly!
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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 45,637
    Good old auto correct.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 45,637

    Turns out it was a good thing I did not try to replace my EV charger myself. The new one was a completely different model requiring new wiring from the junction box, moving the mounting, etc. Anyway, all set now. Turns out that the previous model I had was known for a bad batch of circuit boards in its final run...lucky me!

    Odd that they can’t just replace the circuit board. Guess that would have been too easy to build it that way.

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  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAMember Posts: 8,576
    Oh come on, @stickguy. You know as well as I do that the era of replaceable parts in electronics is long gone. My guess is that it is more efficient (and reduces follow-up engagement and therefore customer satisfaction) for a manufacturer to replace the whole unit and recycle the old one.

    Plus, if this one was poorly built, you have to wonder what else could go wrong with it after you replace the board...
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  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 204,661

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 45,637
    Michaell said:
    Why can’t TJC just ask us himself?

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTMember Posts: 17,324
    @stickguy,
    I was thinking the same thing when I saw the link. :D
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  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 204,661
    @stickguy @explorerx4 - I never thought of that when I posted the link. Though I don't think he's ever mentioned an Atlas

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 45,637
    it came up once.

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  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 204,661

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  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyMember Posts: 13,599
    Ha Ha.. that's too funny! With the lease prices on these things, I'm not really in a hurry to get any of them.

    I guess sales at Cadillac are strong these days. They took a whopping $1,000 off sticker on a $56K SUV, yielding a $650 lease payment. I told the salesperson it's going to take a lot more discount to get a deal done.

    If I'm going to be at $600 or above I'm springing for the XC90.

    I'll take the XT6 if I can get a 55K example under $550 but no more. All of this makes the MDX leases look better and better.

    At this point this purchase is going well into November which is smart considering all I have on my plate right now. It's doubtful to me that any programs will get worse heading into the holidays.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 30,884
    edited October 2020
    Anyone checked out the Bronco configurator? Friend who got on the list a while ago is asking for my thoughts. Holy cow they made the trims and packages complicated! And the resulting MSRP spread would make you think you are shopping a Porsche. I’ve discovered you can achieve about 2.5x spread from base to the top.

    And what the heck is with Bronco vs Bronco Sport? Doesn’t look like the same vehicle at all. He wants the Sport, of course, as I’m sure everyone else does.

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  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyMember Posts: 13,599
    They are totally different vehicles.

    Bronco sport is an Escape.

    Bronco is a true BOF truck

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTMember Posts: 17,324
    @qbrozen,
    Bronco Sport is Based off the Escape. Bronco is similar to Wrangler.
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  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 204,661

    @qbrozen,
    Bronco Sport is Based off the Escape. Bronco is similar to Wrangler.

    I guess I understand better why the Escape was reskinned to be more - er - feminine looking.

    It's good that there is a variety of shapes to the small SUV market.

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  • au1994au1994 GAMember Posts: 2,777

    @qbrozen,
    Bronco Sport is Based off the Escape. Bronco is similar to Wrangler.

    Make mine a Bronco, please. I plan on hitting the configurator this weekend.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 45,637
    the big bronco is based on the Ranger platform. And sounds like an awesome off road truck. Sport, is a boxy, slightly more off road ready Escape.

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  • breldbreld Member Posts: 6,146
    @tjc78 - I’m sure you’re seeing the same thing, but I got an email recently advertising $10k off 2020 XC90’s. If that’s what you really want, don’t be scared away of the higher MSRP. And they generally have $2-3k additional off for loyalty.

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  • breldbreld Member Posts: 6,146
    My boss has a Bronco Sport on order - it’s supposed to be his vehicle for his family’s vacation home in Florida. So probably appropriate for that purpose.

    As a side note, it’s replacing a 2002 525i that he’s had since new. That was to be the family home vehicle, but at well over 200k miles, he decided to pass it on to a family member and get something new.

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  • breldbreld Member Posts: 6,146

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  • breldbreld Member Posts: 6,146
    I’m not saying it’s a steal or anything close, but given the miles and model year, if this has been properly maintained, it’s a nice example.

    https://denver.craigslist.org/ctd/d/denver-2002-bmw-m5-base/7218265082.html

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 45,637
    nice looking. Just pricey.

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTMember Posts: 17,324
    They did a crappy job on the paint on that M5 on the left rear door.
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  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaMember Posts: 16,850
    breld said:
    A 5000lb vehicle to drive to the grocery store. Nice-looking though.

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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 15,753
    In Europe Ford offered several hotted-up versions of the Capri and they are considered a fun and affordable classic. The RS2600 was one example- a homologation special for European touring car competition.

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  • corvettecorvette United StatesMember Posts: 9,060
    ab348 said:

    breld said:
    A 5000lb vehicle to drive to the grocery store. Nice-looking though.
    $66k is a bargain. I agree it looks like the Bentley. Power and 0-60 time are competitive in its price range, unlike the Palisade / Telluride.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 30,884
    Oh, see, herein is the problem. I must have mixed up the two. So the Sport is the not-cool one. Then it is the non-Sport he is after. I can’t imagine anyone bothering to pre-order a Sport.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 45,637
    that makes a lot more sense. Though I would not mind having a Sport at some point.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 30,884
    Anyway, it seems my friend and I agreed the 4-dr Big Bend model with 2.7, LSD, and Mid pack, along with some other little things, is the way to go. Comes in at $43k for me. Too bad the yellow isn’t a color choice on that trim.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 45,637
    definitely a cool car.

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  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaMember Posts: 15,764
    I find it rather disgusting that the manual transmission is only available on the most base of the base model. Seems pointless that they even offered it if they're going to be so belligerently biased against it.
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  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyMember Posts: 13,599
    breld said:

    @tjc78 - I’m sure you’re seeing the same thing, but I got an email recently advertising $10k off 2020 XC90’s. If that’s what you really want, don’t be scared away of the higher MSRP. And they generally have $2-3k additional off for loyalty.

    Yes, they discount heavily. I just have to come to terms that they don’t lease as well as sedans and I’m going to have to pay more! Even the broker deals seem to be around $650 for a 60K T6 Momentum

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  • ventureventure Central PAMember Posts: 2,334
    tjc78 said:

    breld said:

    @tjc78 - I’m sure you’re seeing the same thing, but I got an email recently advertising $10k off 2020 XC90’s. If that’s what you really want, don’t be scared away of the higher MSRP. And they generally have $2-3k additional off for loyalty.

    Yes, they discount heavily. I just have to come to terms that they don’t lease as well as sedans and I’m going to have to pay more! Even the broker deals seem to be around $650 for a 60K T6 Momentum
    I know you mentioned the Ascent before. Have you looked at them yet?

    You can probably buy a 2021 for about what you would pay to lease something else. Depending on the model, they are being discounted by at least $3,000 +- right off the bat. Along with 0% financing for 63 months the payments aren't bad. Of course it will depend on whether you like them or not.

    We were close to getting a Pilot almost a year ago when we bought the Ascent instead. My wife liked them better.

    We don't have an Acura dealer nearby, but we looked at almost everything else except MB and BMW. Mrs. venture doesn't like their persona.

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  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyMember Posts: 13,599
    I haven’t looked at the Ascent yet. I won’t buy anything, it will be a lease.

    I’ll show the wife some pictures.

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 19,914
    tjc78 said:

    Ha Ha.. that's too funny! With the lease prices on these things, I'm not really in a hurry to get any of them.

    I guess sales at Cadillac are strong these days. They took a whopping $1,000 off sticker on a $56K SUV, yielding a $650 lease payment. I told the salesperson it's going to take a lot more discount to get a deal done.

    If I'm going to be at $600 or above I'm springing for the XC90.

    I'll take the XT6 if I can get a 55K example under $550 but no more. All of this makes the MDX leases look better and better.

    At this point this purchase is going well into November which is smart considering all I have on my plate right now. It's doubtful to me that any programs will get worse heading into the holidays.

    Prices can only get better as time goes on.

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 19,914
    breld said:
    Strange terminology they use “upstart” and “fledgling company”. Hasn’t Genesis been it’s own brand for over a decade? I know I considered a Genesis coupe in 2008.

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 19,914
    breld said:

    I’m not saying it’s a steal or anything close, but given the miles and model year, if this has been properly maintained, it’s a nice example.

    https://denver.craigslist.org/ctd/d/denver-2002-bmw-m5-base/7218265082.html

    It’s nice to see a car that old without the rust you see around me. $29k? How much did it sticker for 18+ years ago?

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  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaMember Posts: 16,850
    edited October 2020

    breld said:
    Strange terminology they use “upstart” and “fledgling company”. Hasn’t Genesis been it’s own brand for over a decade? I know I considered a Genesis coupe in 2008.
    I agree that the terminology they used is poor. But IIRC they began with a "Hyundai Genesis" model, before creating it as its own brand, then floundered for a couple of years as they couldn't figure out how to handle it without its own dealer network, and also introduced the Equus which they had no clue what to do with, before finally setting up Genesis as its own brand sold mostly through designated Hyundai dealers.

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 206,758
    In the US, I've never seen a Genesis showroom, that wasn't on the same property as a Hyundai dealer. They've never really set up a dealer network, like Lexus or Acura.

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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 15,753
    breld said:

    I’m not saying it’s a steal or anything close, but given the miles and model year, if this has been properly maintained, it’s a nice example.

    https://denver.craigslist.org/ctd/d/denver-2002-bmw-m5-base/7218265082.html

    The E28 and E39 are the best M5 iterations as far as I'm concerned, but I could be tempted by an E34.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 45,637
    kyfdx said:

    In the US, I've never seen a Genesis showroom, that wasn't on the same property as a Hyundai dealer. They've never really set up a dealer network, like Lexus or Acura.

    that was a mistake by Hyundai. requiring commitment to stand alone stores before the network was ready to support it. Or product pipeline.

    they did open a new showroom by me (previously were running from the small Hyundai store). Took over an old Dodge/jeep dealership. What is odd though, that building is much bigger than the Hyundai store, so no clue why they did not move Hyundai over there instead.

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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 15,753
    I hate to admit it, but I find this puppy interesting...

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 19,914
    kyfdx said:

    In the US, I've never seen a Genesis showroom, that wasn't on the same property as a Hyundai dealer. They've never really set up a dealer network, like Lexus or Acura.

    The one combined store I’ve seen is just one long showroom with rows of desks from end to end. No designation as to where Genesis ends and Hyundai begins. The only clue is the respective brand names on each end of the building.

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 19,914

    I hate to admit it, but I find this puppy interesting...

    That looks like something Jason Stratham would drive.

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  • breldbreld Member Posts: 6,146

    I hate to admit it, but I find this puppy interesting...

    Those are sharp - I’d certainly be interested in your impressions on it.

    If/when I want a fun car with a little more practicality, that’s on my list.

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  • corvettecorvette United StatesMember Posts: 9,060
    The story was that BMW tried to exert more control over their dealers in the US in order for them to be allowed to sell the X5. The dealers revolted. I think there was a lawsuit by one or more dealers. Threatened with not being able to sell their new SUV, BMW backed down.
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