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  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 13,738
    pensfan83 said:

    M2C, no hole in the roof, and Executive Package. I think that's more than you want to spend though.

    https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/821975529/overview/?aff=share_other

    Yes, but that's exactly the way I'd want one optioned- although my favorite colors are Hockenheim Silver and Sunset Orange...

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2014 M235i; 2009 Cooper Clubman; 1999 Wrangler; 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i

  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAPosts: 7,071
    edited September 19

    The dealer where I bought my 2er had a F30 340i xDrive with THP and most every other option; I think it was priced about $5k less. I'm sure this dealer low-balled the car for having three pedals but now promotes the "RARE!" manual.
    Looks like a lease return they bought from BMWFS.

    Either way, I’m interested at $30k. Not $40.
    2019 Subaru Outback 3.6R Limited, 2019 BMW i3 REX, 2004 BMW 330i ZHP 6MT
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 39,306
    well, you can usually be cheap, or picky, when looking at cars. It is just really hard to be both at the same time. Especially for something that is definitely a "boutique" model. In the long run, a few extra $ to get exactly what you want, when you will keep it a long, long time, is pretty insignificant.

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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 39,306
    Breld, both those 340s were very nice. I like both color combos, but the red one more.

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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 39,306
    that Audi is also really nice. I am getting a serious yen to get back into a stick. Before I get too old and broken down to do it!

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  • Sandman6472Sandman6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 5,470
    Yes, Happy New Year to all of us who celebrate it!

    2015 Audi A3 (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2)

  • breldbreld Posts: 5,198
    Both those 340s I posted are right there at low-$40k’s too - and at a one-priced dealer.

    I’m sure part of it is the inflated used market we’re in right now, but as ever, there is that small niche of buyers who are targeting the diminishing manuals. And they’re shopping nationwide.

    It’s one of my common searches, and it seems more often than not, they are sold pretty quickly.

    2019 Cayenne Base - 2020 Supra - 2020 MINI Hardtop S

  • Sandman6472Sandman6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 5,470
    Looks like we'll be doing the serpentine belt and coolant flush on the Audi. The wife wants to keep it at least for another year as she's not sure what to get next. The new A3 has become super expensive and doubt she's spend that much. So, best to fix the current A3 and keep it in the stable for another year, or so.
    We talked about me leasing next time and it could work. I had to explain things like the acquisition fee and the idea being that I'd only be "renting" it for a specific time period. I'd have to fix any damage that they felt was over the top plus new sneakers might be needed. But, with the low miles I'm putting on a vehicle right now, definitely worth a look. Especially if I plan on staying at Enterprise another few years. Always being under warranty is very appealing to me right now, so we'll just have to see what happens. Also discussed fixing the axle boot and possibly doing the front brakes. Not sure I want to go to much longer with the axle boot to be honest so have set a October 20th date to have it repaired or around that time.
    This way, I'll keep it another year and by that time, the 2021 models will be out and I can then decide what we'll do. One thing I do know, we have to have our own vehicle as sharing just would not work. And with my hate of any vehicular drama whatsoever, a newer vehicle is a must. But it needs to be somewhat fun for me also, it has o be able to put that sh-t eating grinning on my face!

    2015 Audi A3 (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2)

  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAPosts: 7,071
    https://www.bmwcca.org/ads/244596

    Some nap time perusing. Would be a nice comfortable daily.
    2019 Subaru Outback 3.6R Limited, 2019 BMW i3 REX, 2004 BMW 330i ZHP 6MT
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 39,306
    that is unique.

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  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 13,738

    https://www.bmwcca.org/ads/244596

    Some nap time perusing. Would be a nice comfortable daily.


    Nice; I’m usually terminally underwhelmed by F10 5ers, but RWD and three pedals make that one considerably more interesting.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2014 M235i; 2009 Cooper Clubman; 1999 Wrangler; 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i

  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAPosts: 7,071
    And M suspension.

    It’s not going to win any drag races but it’d be a nice car to daily drive.
    2019 Subaru Outback 3.6R Limited, 2019 BMW i3 REX, 2004 BMW 330i ZHP 6MT
  • breldbreld Posts: 5,198

    https://www.bmwcca.org/ads/244596

    Some nap time perusing. Would be a nice comfortable daily.

    I like that a lot.

    2019 Cayenne Base - 2020 Supra - 2020 MINI Hardtop S

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 39,306
    that would be a great car for me. Get my stick, nice and comfortable, and the wife would love it.

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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 39,306
    out with the wife earlier running errands, and drove by the Sube dealer that has a couple used cars I was keeping an eye on. Really wanted to stop but figured she would not be a fan. But she commented later she assumed I wanted to because I slowed down going past (taking a quick peek to see if they were out front).

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Posts: 16,239
    stickguy said:

    that Audi is also really nice. I am getting a serious yen to get back into a stick. Before I get too old and broken down to do it!

    Have you ever done a search with ‘standard transmission’ ? Not much out there.

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2004 Chevy Van, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 39,306
    I am aware. It has been a while since I bought or sold one, and it was tough back then too.

    Pretty much limits me to sporty cars too since they either have a decent stick take rate (GTI) or manual only (Si). At least they exist. If trying for a more "normal" car (Accord, etc.) might as well not bother to try, especially if not looking for something super old.

    a prior generation 3 Series might be the sweet spot between luxury/goodies/comfort and some sportiness. But those (especially the 4 cylinder) are also quite rare sadly.

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  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Posts: 967
    edited September 20

    Good News: My BMW dealer just traded for an M2; low miles, one owner, FSH, decent price.

    Bad News: It's black on black.

    My wife, bless her heart, reminded me that both the M8 GTE and M4 DTM have black racing liveries, and suggested I look at some BMW Motorsport graphics:




    BMW does sell an M Performance stripe kit:



    I could also go with the Laptime-Performance stripe kit- a tribute to the 2002 Turbo:



    I may have to think about this...

    Those stripe kits are appreciated by true BMW Motorsport racing fans. I clearly am not a true BMW Motorsport racing fan. Seems boy racer-ish to me but again, I am not a diehard fan of BMW and BMW Motorsport.

    I actually used to love BMWs until Dreyer and Reinbold returned my 335 convertible with over $3k in hail damage. They said that they had a hail storm, but my car was not affected. Awkward - why did my car look like a golf ball then?

    Kinda like the plaid interior of the VW golf GTI - if you are a diehard fan, you appreciate it.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 39,306
    not sure I like all those designs, but some colored stripes do liven up a black car. I don't might black paint, as long as it has a light color interior. Black over black is just too depressing!

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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 39,306
    after watching JR's latest video on the issues with the F250, definitely crossing diesel off the shopping list.

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Posts: 16,239
    mjfloyd1 said:

    Good News: My BMW dealer just traded for an M2; low miles, one owner, FSH, decent price.

    Bad News: It's black on black.

    My wife, bless her heart, reminded me that both the M8 GTE and M4 DTM have black racing liveries, and suggested I look at some BMW Motorsport graphics:




    BMW does sell an M Performance stripe kit:



    I could also go with the Laptime-Performance stripe kit- a tribute to the 2002 Turbo:



    I may have to think about this...

    Those stripe kits are appreciated by true BMW Motorsport racing fans. I clearly am not a true BMW Motorsport racing fan. Seems boy racer-ish to me but again, I am not a diehard fan of BMW and BMW Motorsport.

    I actually used to love BMWs until Dreyer and Reinbold returned my 335 convertible with over $3k in hail damage. They said that they had a hail storm, but my car was not affected. Awkward - why did my car look like a golf ball then?

    Kinda like the plaid interior of the VW golf GTI - if you are a diehard fan, you appreciate it.
    Holy cow! Did they take responsibility for that? You would think that a dealer in areas prone to hail would have some way of protecting cars under their care. Certainly they must have protection for their own inventory.

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2004 Chevy Van, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Posts: 967
    Eventually they did, but it took a month for them to agree that it occurred on their lot. I called as soon as the car was dropped off. Not surprisingly, the driver just took off with the rental car and didn’t knock or ring the door bell. Paintless dent repair took care of it all.

    Unfortunately D&R is the closest dealer and that’s an hour away.

    I’m transitioning to appliance cars.

    @Sandman6472 - my daughter’s new 2020 Honda CRV touring has a volume knob on the radio - maybe the HRV does too???? I didn’t look as she (and more importantly my wife too) wanted a CRV.
  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 7,838
    edited September 20
    stickguy said:

    after watching JR's latest video on the issues with the F250, definitely crossing diesel off the shopping list.

    +1000 for Carmax taking care of what Ford refused to. I thought DPFs were covered under the powertrain warranty? I'm assuming Carmax followed OE procedures on trying to fix the death wobble, which probably start with "try replacing just the steering stabilizer and see whether that fixes it."
  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 12,041
    qbrozen said:

    IMHO, it is notorious because people harp on it. There are Honda transmissions to avoid, but nobody talks about those. There are Toyota transmissions to avoid, but let’s keep that on the DL. The first-gen XC90s with the GM transmissions made of silly putty were quickly forgotten. The Ford transmissions in the first-gen 4-cyl Mazda 626 were junk ... but that never seemed to make much of a blip in folks’ memories. I could go on. I just find it odd when one manufacturer (of any product) gets beat up more than another for the same sin. Maybe because I was never the victim of one and have an outsider’s perspective. I dunno.

    A few differences, as some problem parts are far more widespread than others. Also, there's a difference between my Honda transmission that grenaded at 42K miles vs. my best friends Altima that grenaded the CVT within the first month or two.

    Lastly, in my anecdotal experience, while Honda picked up the tab at 42K miles for the transmission, Chrysler/Dodge was nowhere to be found when my head gaskets grenaded on the Neon at similar mileage, or the transmission failed at 60K.

    I've never received a letter from Chrysler proactively extending the warranty on anything. The lack of acknowledgement of problems is deafening.
    Mine's '16 Audi TTS quattro AWD 2.0T, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion AWD 2.0T
  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 12,041
    edited September 20
    My 6 year old daughter put a 2" gouging scratch into the side of my TTS by throwing the Tiguan rear right door into it at the end of its swing of travel. :angry:

    Time for a part out! :worried::open_mouth::smile:
    Mine's '16 Audi TTS quattro AWD 2.0T, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion AWD 2.0T
  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 12,041
    stickguy said:

    I am aware. It has been a while since I bought or sold one, and it was tough back then too.

    Pretty much limits me to sporty cars too since they either have a decent stick take rate (GTI) or manual only (Si). At least they exist. If trying for a more "normal" car (Accord, etc.) might as well not bother to try, especially if not looking for something super old.

    a prior generation 3 Series might be the sweet spot between luxury/goodies/comfort and some sportiness. But those (especially the 4 cylinder) are also quite rare sadly.

    STI's and Civic R's would satisfy your need for a stick.
    Mine's '16 Audi TTS quattro AWD 2.0T, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion AWD 2.0T
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 39,306
    Type R is too racer boy and rough (and the wife would have a cow). I test drove a WRX last time and hated it, and the STI I will assume is just all that ramped up.

    a plain Si is OK though. Ideal would be something along the lines of a 330i.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 28,155

    And M suspension.

    It’s not going to win any drag races but it’d be a nice car to daily drive.

    mid-5s 0-60? I think it would win many drag races.

    '07 ML63, '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '18 BMW X2. 52-car history and counting!

  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAPosts: 7,071
    Maybe if the inevitable mustang challenger pulls a cars and coffee.
    2019 Subaru Outback 3.6R Limited, 2019 BMW i3 REX, 2004 BMW 330i ZHP 6MT
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 167,846

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  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 7,838
    edited September 20
    Also, on the F-250, the idea that a 2 year old, 50k mile truck may need its entire front suspension replaced to quell the "death wobble" is not encouraging.
  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Posts: 967
    I like to admire other people's black cars when they are clean for those fleeting two seconds after a wash or wax
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 14,914
    Jeep 'death wobble' has been around for decades.
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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 39,306
    my daughter's former BF has a Silverado (2015 I think) and referred to it as the "Chevy Shake". as if it is just something you expect and live with. Would drive me nuts.

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 14,914
    I posted this before.
    Looked at a Canmax vehicle last week. It had 3 outstanding recalls but was still for sale.
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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Posts: 16,239
    stickguy said:

    after watching JR's latest video on the issues with the F250, definitely crossing diesel off the shopping list.

    I’d be more worried about the “death wobble”.

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2004 Chevy Van, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Posts: 967

    Jeep 'death wobble' has been around for decades.

    It happens on any vehicle with a solid front axle
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 39,306

    I posted this before.
    Looked at a Canmax vehicle last week. It had 3 outstanding recalls but was still for sale.

    I see that a lot. Some places have disclaimers. I don't find it to be an issue. if they know about it and disclose it (assuming they even know about it, no guarantee).

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  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 13,738
    mjfloyd1 said:

    Jeep 'death wobble' has been around for decades.

    It happens on any vehicle with a solid front axle
    And in most cases a shop familiar with the vehicle can fix the problem My TJ had it and my local indie shop eradicated it completely.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2014 M235i; 2009 Cooper Clubman; 1999 Wrangler; 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i

  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Posts: 967
    There was a Jeep TSB and they switched my steering stabilizer. I did not have death wobble but after the swap, now I do.
  • mb_enthusiastmb_enthusiast IllinoisPosts: 223
    edited September 20
    mjfloyd1 said:

    Porsche can't get their story straight. The service manual clearly says that the 30k mile service is an oil and filter change plus spark plugs. I speak to two of the three dealerships, and they claim that Cayenne S 30k is a 'regular' service without spark plugs but several other items. They told me that spark plugs come at 40k despite the manual stating otherwise. So...the two less expensive dealerships were at $495 and $825 without those spark plugs. I declined to do the service at the Exchange today. They ended up only fixing two of the three broken clips because they apparently missed the other. Three months and they need to order another one. Porsche service... Initially, I considered allowing them to do an oil change, but that was $300... Ugh. I don't mind maintenance costs—par for the game. However, the lack of transparency and wildly different pricing is so different from what I've experienced with other luxury brands—Mercedes and Audi, chiefly.

    Porsche- you can pay me now or you can pay me later. Maybe they think they are "saving" you from a return trip for the spark plugs in 2k miles?
    No, two out of three are claiming that spark plugs are at 40k, not 30k—even though the manual says it is at 30k! The maintenance booklet literally says that at 30k it's an oil and filter change and spark plugs. Nothing else is mentioned in contrast to the other service intervals.




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  • ronsteveronsteve LooavulPosts: 890
    stickguy said:

    I am aware. It has been a while since I bought or sold one, and it was tough back then too.

    Pretty much limits me to sporty cars too since they either have a decent stick take rate (GTI) or manual only (Si). At least they exist. If trying for a more "normal" car (Accord, etc.) might as well not bother to try, especially if not looking for something super old.

    a prior generation 3 Series might be the sweet spot between luxury/goodies/comfort and some sportiness. But those (especially the 4 cylinder) are also quite rare sadly.

    Luxury/goodies are a definite question when you go looking for 3 pedals, because so many limit their manual transmissions to the base models. BMW is less bad about that than others.
    2015 Acura RDX AWD / 2013 VW Jetta 2.5SE
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 14,102
    andres3 said:

    My 6 year old daughter put a 2" gouging scratch into the side of my TTS by throwing the Tiguan rear right door into it at the end of its swing of travel. :angry:

    Time for a part out! :worried::open_mouth::smile:

    Oh, that's rough! My daughter did that with our cars, too. That earned her years of "child lock" on the door nearest her. She was hopping mad about that. but I don't know whether she realizes just how close I was to killing her. :D
    2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 39,306
    finally checked on my lease, since I had not gotten any updates. Turns out Carvana paid it off on Wednesday (2 days after picking it up) so they do work fast. Just surprised that AFS never notified me. But, at least it is taken care of.

    1 week anniversary of being down to 1 car, and have not missed the 2nd in the least. And the daughter appreciates having a garage bay for her frequent visits home!

    I do tend to get distracted by for sale signs though. Out walking the neighborhood yesterday, someone had a Forester on the lawn with a for sale sign. 2012 Touring, only $7,000. Though I believe there was an "as is" disclaimer so I assume there is some issue with it. But, after being bored and watching multiple videos of dudes pulling out Sube engines and changing timing belts and head gaskets, looks doable!

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 167,846
    stickguy said:

    finally checked on my lease, since I had not gotten any updates. Turns out Carvana paid it off on Wednesday (2 days after picking it up) so they do work fast. Just surprised that AFS never notified me. But, at least it is taken care of.

    1 week anniversary of being down to 1 car, and have not missed the 2nd in the least. And the daughter appreciates having a garage bay for her frequent visits home!

    I do tend to get distracted by for sale signs though. Out walking the neighborhood yesterday, someone had a Forester on the lawn with a for sale sign. 2012 Touring, only $7,000. Though I believe there was an "as is" disclaimer so I assume there is some issue with it. But, after being bored and watching multiple videos of dudes pulling out Sube engines and changing timing belts and head gaskets, looks doable!

    Seems cheap

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  • au1994au1994 GAPosts: 1,730
    andres3 said:

    My 6 year old daughter put a 2" gouging scratch into the side of my TTS by throwing the Tiguan rear right door into it at the end of its swing of travel. :angry:

    Time for a part out! :worried::open_mouth::smile:

    Oh man, I hate that. Kids are just brutal on cars and it doesn’t get any better as they get older. The X1 has a nice gash from the lacrosse bag.

    The worst was a scratch from a bike pedal on the bottom of the door when I had my ZHP.

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 167,846
    au1994 said:

    andres3 said:

    My 6 year old daughter put a 2" gouging scratch into the side of my TTS by throwing the Tiguan rear right door into it at the end of its swing of travel. :angry:

    Time for a part out! :worried::open_mouth::smile:

    Oh man, I hate that. Kids are just brutal on cars and it doesn’t get any better as they get older. The X1 has a nice gash from the lacrosse bag.

    The worst was a scratch from a bike pedal on the bottom of the door when I had my ZHP.
    That child is no longer with us.. RIP. ;)

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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 39,306
    kyfdx said:

    stickguy said:

    finally checked on my lease, since I had not gotten any updates. Turns out Carvana paid it off on Wednesday (2 days after picking it up) so they do work fast. Just surprised that AFS never notified me. But, at least it is taken care of.

    1 week anniversary of being down to 1 car, and have not missed the 2nd in the least. And the daughter appreciates having a garage bay for her frequent visits home!

    I do tend to get distracted by for sale signs though. Out walking the neighborhood yesterday, someone had a Forester on the lawn with a for sale sign. 2012 Touring, only $7,000. Though I believe there was an "as is" disclaimer so I assume there is some issue with it. But, after being bored and watching multiple videos of dudes pulling out Sube engines and changing timing belts and head gaskets, looks doable!

    Seems cheap
    well, miles were not noted. So if it has 160k on it and leaking head gaskets, it's not. Or a wonky CVT. I might walk past it again without the wife so I can scope it out better, just out of curiosity. But, it looked really nice condition.

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 14,280
    au1994 said:

    andres3 said:

    My 6 year old daughter put a 2" gouging scratch into the side of my TTS by throwing the Tiguan rear right door into it at the end of its swing of travel. :angry:

    Time for a part out! :worried::open_mouth::smile:

    Oh man, I hate that. Kids are just brutal on cars and it doesn’t get any better as they get older. The X1 has a nice gash from the lacrosse bag.

    The worst was a scratch from a bike pedal on the bottom of the door when I had my ZHP.
    Same here. One kid tried to squeeze by the Tacoma on the bike and the metal brake put a nice 6" scratch in the front 1/4 panel right by the headlight. My Prelude has about 20 chips in the rear 1/4 panel right below the window from when I first moved into my house and squeezed 2 cars in the garage. The chips line up perfectly with the bottom corner of the rear door of the old 2011 Pilot.

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  • au1994au1994 GAPosts: 1,730
    kyfdx said:

    au1994 said:

    andres3 said:

    My 6 year old daughter put a 2" gouging scratch into the side of my TTS by throwing the Tiguan rear right door into it at the end of its swing of travel. :angry:

    Time for a part out! :worried::open_mouth::smile:

    Oh man, I hate that. Kids are just brutal on cars and it doesn’t get any better as they get older. The X1 has a nice gash from the lacrosse bag.

    The worst was a scratch from a bike pedal on the bottom of the door when I had my ZHP.
    That child is no longer with us.. RIP. ;)
    My wife provided me several single malts, stat, otherwise that might have been the case! :smile:

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