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  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 12,326
    sda said:

    It appears my Accord sold in two days. It is no longer listed. Someone got a very nice car. I hope they take good care of it! Feels odd to have a 'new' car and just have it sit in the garage as I work from home. I'll find a excuse to drive it this evening, even if it means going to Walmart!

    You know, Chrysler's were never all that bad in whole if you ignore durability and reliability as factors.

    For instance, I'm fairly certain my Neon could beat any "same model-year" Civic short of an SI in a drag race. That's pretty impressive considering the Honda sounds 100 times more efficient and better doing it (and is more efficient fuel economy wise). The problem was in order to win the race the Neon needed to not snap a belt or blow head gaskets or the transmission on the way to winning. Even if you did blow a head gasket the leak is probably slow enough you'll win the race, you'll just have expensive repair bills later; ditto the transmission; it won't strand you, but you'll start to notice drivability issues such as slipping. Meanwhile, you could drag race the Civic for 300,000 miles without a single oil change :smile::open_mouth: OK, maybe that's a SLIGHT exaggeration on the Civic.
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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 40,838
    andres3 said:

    stickguy said:

    the weird dynamics of monthly payment is what I love about leasing. The thrill of finding out what nice cars can be had for less money than boring ones!

    MEH! For me, leasing is the equivalent of the TIMESHARE industry. Too many reoccurring access points for scammers to scam and swindle you for more money, and you have no leverage to stop it. I prefer AirBNB, owning, selling, and hotels/motels.
    leasing is just an alternative method of financing a car.

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 14,512
    To be fair, the big GM trucks are nice vehicles. My Dad has a 2018 Yukon SLT that he factory ordered with no sunroof or DVD player. It currently has over 62,000 miles. It has been flawless. Maintenance costs are minimal. It drives beautifully, the V8 sounds fantastic and puts down ample power. This is his 4th (he had a 2009, 2010, & 2015 previously). None of them have held their value very well. The 2010 was "underwater" when he traded it in on the 2011 (in 2012). The 2011 was underwater when he traded it in and leased the 2015. When the 39 month lease was up on the 2015, he bought the 2018, and he took a 5 year 0% loan instead of the 6 years they offered. He'll probably get a new one in 2021 or 2022.

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  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 12,326
    sda said:

    It appears my Accord sold in two days. It is no longer listed. Someone got a very nice car. I hope they take good care of it! Feels odd to have a 'new' car and just have it sit in the garage as I work from home. I'll find a excuse to drive it this evening, even if it means going to Walmart!

    Time to update your signature line, and mine too!
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  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 12,326
    edited October 2020
    stickguy said:

    andres3 said:

    stickguy said:

    the weird dynamics of monthly payment is what I love about leasing. The thrill of finding out what nice cars can be had for less money than boring ones!

    MEH! For me, leasing is the equivalent of the TIMESHARE industry. Too many reoccurring access points for scammers to scam and swindle you for more money, and you have no leverage to stop it. I prefer AirBNB, owning, selling, and hotels/motels.
    leasing is just an alternative method of financing a car.
    I could agree with that if there wasn't disposition fees, subjective "excess wear and tear" type fees, and essentially what amounts to prepayment penalties. Also, financing isn't "guaranteed" at the end of the lease. With a "balloon" payment mortgage, for example, what I recall is that all the financing was guaranteed and defined at the end of "balloon popping" period. I might be wrong on that.
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  • au1994au1994 GAPosts: 1,882
    edited October 2020
    nyccarguy said:

    To be fair, the big GM trucks are nice vehicles. My Dad has a 2018 Yukon SLT that he factory ordered with no sunroof or DVD player. It currently has over 62,000 miles. It has been flawless. Maintenance costs are minimal. It drives beautifully, the V8 sounds fantastic and puts down ample power. This is his 4th (he had a 2009, 2010, & 2015 previously). None of them have held their value very well. The 2010 was "underwater" when he traded it in on the 2011 (in 2012). The 2011 was underwater when he traded it in and leased the 2015. When the 39 month lease was up on the 2015, he bought the 2018, and he took a 5 year 0% loan instead of the 6 years they offered. He'll probably get a new one in 2021 or 2022.

    I think they are very attractive, especially the Yukon. I like that front end a little better, speaking of the previous gen. I drove a neighbors Yukon XL Denali and was duly impressed. Interior was nice and comfortable and the materials were a cut above standard Tahoe or Yukon interiors. GM still does big V-8 trucks and SUV’s well.

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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 40,838
    andres3 said:

    stickguy said:

    andres3 said:

    stickguy said:

    the weird dynamics of monthly payment is what I love about leasing. The thrill of finding out what nice cars can be had for less money than boring ones!

    MEH! For me, leasing is the equivalent of the TIMESHARE industry. Too many reoccurring access points for scammers to scam and swindle you for more money, and you have no leverage to stop it. I prefer AirBNB, owning, selling, and hotels/motels.
    leasing is just an alternative method of financing a car.
    I could agree with that if there wasn't disposition fees, subjective "excess wear and tear" type fees, and essentially what amounts to prepayment penalties. Also, financing isn't "guaranteed" at the end of the lease. With a "balloon" payment mortgage, for example, what I recall is that all the financing was guaranteed and defined at the end of "balloon popping" period. I might be wrong on that.
    All the fees are just rolled into the price. And if you buy a car, there are also wear and tear penalties if you go to sell it (that is, you get less for it). Especially if it has a wreck with major repairs needed.

    If you Buy a car with a loan and after 3 years sell it, your cost is basically payments and depreciation. No different than on a lease. The biggest difference being, on a lease, you are guaranteed a residual. On your purchase, it’s worth what someone decides to offer you.

    And very often, there are significant lease incentives which offset the up front and disposition costs. But still, the bottom line is comparing your total cost to own to determine which method is more cost effective.

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 14,512
    stickguy said:

    andres3 said:

    stickguy said:

    andres3 said:

    stickguy said:

    the weird dynamics of monthly payment is what I love about leasing. The thrill of finding out what nice cars can be had for less money than boring ones!

    MEH! For me, leasing is the equivalent of the TIMESHARE industry. Too many reoccurring access points for scammers to scam and swindle you for more money, and you have no leverage to stop it. I prefer AirBNB, owning, selling, and hotels/motels.
    leasing is just an alternative method of financing a car.
    I could agree with that if there wasn't disposition fees, subjective "excess wear and tear" type fees, and essentially what amounts to prepayment penalties. Also, financing isn't "guaranteed" at the end of the lease. With a "balloon" payment mortgage, for example, what I recall is that all the financing was guaranteed and defined at the end of "balloon popping" period. I might be wrong on that.
    All the fees are just rolled into the price. And if you buy a car, there are also wear and tear penalties if you go to sell it (that is, you get less for it). Especially if it has a wreck with major repairs needed.

    If you Buy a car with a loan and after 3 years sell it, your cost is basically payments and depreciation. No different than on a lease. The biggest difference being, on a lease, you are guaranteed a residual. On your purchase, it’s worth what someone decides to offer you.

    And very often, there are significant lease incentives which offset the up front and disposition costs. But still, the bottom line is comparing your total cost to own to determine which method is more cost effective.
    Amen!

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  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 14,498
    Michaell said:

    xwesx said:

    I love the look and layout of the new Expeditions. That price tag is a tough pill to swallow, though... for sure!

    While I don't remember the sticker price on the '99 Expedition XLT 4x4 we leased, I remember the payment being $465/mo.
    For a '99?! That would still be a stiff bill each month way back then!
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  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 14,498
    qbrozen said:

    "clean title" and "nice original paint"
    Anyone else looking at these pics find those statements suspect?
    C70 in FL

    Wow. That's just blatantly, horrendously bad. I doubt he's lying through his teeth, though.... he probably doesn't have any (they were all knocked out by hitting objects because his eyesight is so poor!).
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  • au1994au1994 GAPosts: 1,882
    edited October 2020
    mjfloyd1 said:

    nyccarguy said:

    stickguy said:

    andres3 said:

    stickguy said:

    andres3 said:

    stickguy said:

    the weird dynamics of monthly payment is what I love about leasing. The thrill of finding out what nice cars can be had for less money than boring ones!

    MEH! For me, leasing is the equivalent of the TIMESHARE industry. Too many reoccurring access points for scammers to scam and swindle you for more money, and you have no leverage to stop it. I prefer AirBNB, owning, selling, and hotels/motels.
    leasing is just an alternative method of financing a car.
    I could agree with that if there wasn't disposition fees, subjective "excess wear and tear" type fees, and essentially what amounts to prepayment penalties. Also, financing isn't "guaranteed" at the end of the lease. With a "balloon" payment mortgage, for example, what I recall is that all the financing was guaranteed and defined at the end of "balloon popping" period. I might be wrong on that.
    All the fees are just rolled into the price. And if you buy a car, there are also wear and tear penalties if you go to sell it (that is, you get less for it). Especially if it has a wreck with major repairs needed.

    If you Buy a car with a loan and after 3 years sell it, your cost is basically payments and depreciation. No different than on a lease. The biggest difference being, on a lease, you are guaranteed a residual. On your purchase, it’s worth what someone decides to offer you.

    And very often, there are significant lease incentives which offset the up front and disposition costs. But still, the bottom line is comparing your total cost to own to determine which method is more cost effective.
    Amen!
    To me the greatest advantage of leasing is that if you have a wreck, you just get it fixed and turn it in. You don’t worry about decreased value like you would trading a car in that has a dirty carfax.
    Yep and I’ll add on to that: complimentary maintenance during the life of the lease (sometimes), always under mfg warranty and if its a short enough lease with your driving patterns you won’t even buy tires. I think Ive done the latter once when we had our X6. It was a 3 year lease but it was the family truckster so we ran it close to the 36k miles in the term.

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 15,404
    I had a 2000 Expedition XLT with a few options. It listed for 37K-38K.
    2020 Ford Explorer XLT, 2019 Lincoln MKZ Reserve 1
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 180,054
    I had a '95 Pathfinder. MSRP around $30K.

    $416/mo for a 36/15 lease, with $2500 due at signing.

    To keep it in perspective, you could earn about 8% on a CD back then. Most money factors were equivalent to 6%-8% APR.

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  • tifightertifighter WAPosts: 2,733

    I had a 2000 Expedition XLT with a few options. It listed for 37K-38K.

    $38K in 2000 is about $58K in 2020 dollars.

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  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Posts: 1,217
    andres3 said:

    stickguy said:

    andres3 said:

    stickguy said:

    the weird dynamics of monthly payment is what I love about leasing. The thrill of finding out what nice cars can be had for less money than boring ones!

    MEH! For me, leasing is the equivalent of the TIMESHARE industry. Too many reoccurring access points for scammers to scam and swindle you for more money, and you have no leverage to stop it. I prefer AirBNB, owning, selling, and hotels/motels.
    leasing is just an alternative method of financing a car.
    I could agree with that if there wasn't disposition fees, subjective "excess wear and tear" type fees, and essentially what amounts to prepayment penalties. Also, financing isn't "guaranteed" at the end of the lease. With a "balloon" payment mortgage, for example, what I recall is that all the financing was guaranteed and defined at the end of "balloon popping" period. I might be wrong on that.
    What kind of alternative universe do you live in? A lease is financing FOR THE TERM OF THE LEASE. Of course financing isn't guaranteed after the lease ends.
  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAPosts: 7,524
    Then leasing (and car rental in general) isn't for you.

    Balloon payments do not always guarantee financing at the end.
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  • au1994au1994 GAPosts: 1,882

    I had a 2000 Expedition XLT with a few options. It listed for 37K-38K.

    Makes sense. I leased a 99 Explorer XLT for 365 on about a 31k MSRP.

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 14,512
    mjfloyd1 said:

    andres3 said:

    stickguy said:

    andres3 said:

    stickguy said:

    the weird dynamics of monthly payment is what I love about leasing. The thrill of finding out what nice cars can be had for less money than boring ones!

    MEH! For me, leasing is the equivalent of the TIMESHARE industry. Too many reoccurring access points for scammers to scam and swindle you for more money, and you have no leverage to stop it. I prefer AirBNB, owning, selling, and hotels/motels.
    leasing is just an alternative method of financing a car.
    I could agree with that if there wasn't disposition fees, subjective "excess wear and tear" type fees, and essentially what amounts to prepayment penalties. Also, financing isn't "guaranteed" at the end of the lease. With a "balloon" payment mortgage, for example, what I recall is that all the financing was guaranteed and defined at the end of "balloon popping" period. I might be wrong on that.
    What kind of alternative universe do you live in? A lease is financing FOR THE TERM OF THE LEASE. Of course financing isn't guaranteed after the lease ends.

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  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoPosts: 175,022
    au1994 said:

    I had a 2000 Expedition XLT with a few options. It listed for 37K-38K.

    Makes sense. I leased a 99 Explorer XLT for 365 on about a 31k MSRP.
    Interesting. The wife originally wanted an Explorer, but the dealer told us that the Expeditions were leasing better.

    We were young an naive, so we signed up. Was a good car for us, at the time. Just didn't like having to pull out the third row when we didn't need it.

    The '02 Explorer that replaced it had the third row fold into the floor - it was MAGIC!

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  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 14,346
    stickguy said:

    just had to post this for Michael.

    I wish there was a flag for "Moron on Video"

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 15,404
    My 02 Explorer Eddie Bauer was one of my favorite vehicles.
    Had it for almost 13 years.
    Lots of good memories for the whole family.
    A few bumps along the way, too.
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  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoPosts: 175,022

    My 02 Explorer Eddie Bauer was one of my favorite vehicles.
    Had it for almost 13 years.
    Lots of good memories for the whole family.
    A few bumps along the way, too.

    Ours was an XLT, after we discovered the EB trim was out of our budget.

    The XLT did have leather, however.

    Was pretty reliable, other than the rear window shattered on Easter Sunday at my sister-in-laws house.

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 15,404
    The plastic panel below the rear window cracked twice.
    Ours had the V8 and my girls drove it in high school.
    The boys were jealous because most of them drove hand me down 4 banger sedans. :p
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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 40,838
    someone in my neighborhood has an explorer of that generation. might be prior? It looks to me like the 2nd generation when they rounded off the edges. A bit ratty, but still runs it seems. They also have a mid-90s BMW 5 series that functions. Even a 5 speed!

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Posts: 17,256
    stickguy said:

    I haven’t been shopping, but it seems that recently lease prices overall are up quite a bit. And the killer bargain $200 deals are not really out there any more.

    This jive with what the experts are seeing every day?

    Not sure if I’ll lease again next year or not. If I do, hopefully the market stabilizes by then!

    According to internet sources (and we know they’re never wrong) you’d be crazy to buy or lease now. The conventional wisdom is that prices will crash around December.

    If I was looking for a toy, I’d wait. I suppose there might be a killer deal out there somewhere but I would be suspicious of anything that seemed to good to be true.

    I know at work we’ve basically sold so many cars that there is a shortage for the rental offices. We are now down to putting back into service cars that were pulled last week. Our holding lots are just starting to get new unit and are still pretty empty.

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Posts: 17,256
    qbrozen said:

    "clean title" and "nice original paint"
    Anyone else looking at these pics find those statements suspect?
    C70 in FL

    The front clip looks a different shade but that’s otherwise a nice low mile car.

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Posts: 17,256

    Most of the large SUV's I see are rentals.

    My guess is that most late model cars on dealer lots are rentals. Our company has been selling them hand over fist. The wholesale prices are too high not to.

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  • Sandman6472Sandman6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 5,606
    OF, similar situation down here in South Florida. Cars are hard to get for our offices and the new ones are coming in very very slowly. Lately, we've gotten in Toyota's and Kia's and not much else. Business travel is still a bit down and definitely see that in the return lines at PBI.

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Posts: 17,256

    stickguy said:

    just had to post this for Michael.

    I wish there was a flag for "Moron on Video"
    So what, Scotty borrowed money from you and didn’t pay it back? :p

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  • Sandman6472Sandman6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 5,606
    Golf was fixed today and was a bit expensive. Said the brakes are fine and the rest of what he could see looked pretty good. Hopefully the last repair for a long while. Had to use Lyft both ways as the wife was at her office today but, it worked out fine.
    Did notice what I thought was a stone in the tread of the read drivers side tire. To my chagrin, it's a nail so I'll need to take it back to Goodyear to have it patched if possible. Have the road hazard on all four tires so if unfixable, I'll either get a new tire or a pro-rated one. I'll worry about that on Monday morning and go back to the store I bought them at. Think I'll get treated the best there. It's my n/s day and the wife and middle child will be out of town, so I'll have the house to myself. It's a Goodyear Eagle Sport tire and I really like them.

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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 40,838
    Wheels for Michael! In CO, and no reserve. I like this one even in the color combo.

    https://carsandbids.com/auctions/3pA8zPje/2005-bmw-330i-zhp-sedan

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 28,815



    The front clip looks a different shade ....

    Oh, is that all? lol.
    Hood and passenger front fender is what I see. And the hood looks pretty bad, but no closeup so it is tough to tell. The fact that no color matching or blending was done tells me what I need to know about the repair, personally.

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  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoPosts: 175,022
    stickguy said:

    Wheels for Michael! In CO, and no reserve. I like this one even in the color combo.

    https://carsandbids.com/auctions/3pA8zPje/2005-bmw-330i-zhp-sedan

    That's nice. Wonder what it will sell for? @28firefighter? @kyfdx?

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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 40,838
    Michaell said:

    stickguy said:

    Wheels for Michael! In CO, and no reserve. I like this one even in the color combo.

    https://carsandbids.com/auctions/3pA8zPje/2005-bmw-330i-zhp-sedan

    That's nice. Wonder what it will sell for? @28firefighter? @kyfdx?
    whatever you bid, as long as you are the last one!

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Posts: 17,256
    edited October 2020
    qbrozen said:



    The front clip looks a different shade ....

    Oh, is that all? lol.
    Hood and passenger front fender is what I see. And the hood looks pretty bad, but no closeup so it is tough to tell. The fact that no color matching or blending was done tells me what I need to know about the repair, personally.
    You have to remember that I’m a hooptie buyer so the fact that the fender is still there is a plus to me. You’re right though, no close ups make it difficult to access if it’s a bad paint job or bad photography. When I said front clip I meant the whole front of the car.

    Only way to tell for sure is to inspect in person. When I was looking for my convertible I went to look at one that seemed pretty nice in the photos. Then I looked at the driver’s fender (which had been photo neglected in the ad) and found it all crumpled and caved in. Seems the seller’s brother had run the farm tractor into it. Also had lifter tick on startup... Bye!

    If you feel that the seller was misrepresenting the car then he/she is probably going to lie about everything.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 28,815
    stickguy said:

    Wheels for Michael! In CO, and no reserve. I like this one even in the color combo.

    https://carsandbids.com/auctions/3pA8zPje/2005-bmw-330i-zhp-sedan

    But...but...a ZHP with only 2 pedals... ugh.

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  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoPosts: 175,022
    qbrozen said:

    stickguy said:

    Wheels for Michael! In CO, and no reserve. I like this one even in the color combo.

    https://carsandbids.com/auctions/3pA8zPje/2005-bmw-330i-zhp-sedan

    But...but...a ZHP with only 2 pedals... ugh.
    My sister had one with an automatic. I don't judge...

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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 40,838
    oops. I did not even look at that. I just assumed that every ZHP was a stick. If you want a slushbox, might as well get a normal version and save the ZHP $ premium.

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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 40,838
    watched an interesting video earlier about cars and bids. Some other Youtuber decided to try it out and blogged the process. He listed and sold a modded JDM MR2. Pretty interesting behind the scenes play by play of going through the steps and how long it took (about 3 weeks from first submitting for consideration, until the auction started, so 4 weeks until it was sold).

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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 40,838
    starting to be some first look reports dropping on the upcoming MDX redesign. Haven't watched this one yet, but Redline seemed to really like it. Acura should have another hit with it I think. With the people that want something that big!

    they really, really need a compact/sporty CUV to slot below the RDX. I still think the rumored ILX replacement ("compact car" I think they call it) is going to be one, or even better, a sedan and CUV version of the platform.

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  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 4,980
    edited October 2020
    Michaell said:

    I don't judge..

    Excellent! I'll bet there are two or three others on here who could join you.

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  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAPosts: 7,524
    Auto with north of 100k miles? Probably $7500 or so.
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  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 14,498
    qbrozen said:



    The front clip looks a different shade ....

    Oh, is that all? lol.
    Hood and passenger front fender is what I see. And the hood looks pretty bad, but no closeup so it is tough to tell. The fact that no color matching or blending was done tells me what I need to know about the repair, personally.
    I felt like the rear bumper looked to be an off color from the rest of the car, too. Seemed like there were all sorts of hits and errors on that thing.
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  • au1994au1994 GAPosts: 1,882
    Michaell said:

    My 02 Explorer Eddie Bauer was one of my favorite vehicles.
    Had it for almost 13 years.
    Lots of good memories for the whole family.
    A few bumps along the way, too.

    Ours was an XLT, after we discovered the EB trim was out of our budget.

    The XLT did have leather, however.

    Was pretty reliable, other than the rear window shattered on Easter Sunday at my sister-in-laws house.
    I loved it. It was nice looking too, medium wedge wood blue over beige leather. Comfortable highway cruiser too. Zero problems while I had it. It did have the dreaded Firestones. I was a little too proactive and replaced them on my own dime.

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  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoPosts: 175,022
    au1994 said:

    Michaell said:

    My 02 Explorer Eddie Bauer was one of my favorite vehicles.
    Had it for almost 13 years.
    Lots of good memories for the whole family.
    A few bumps along the way, too.

    Ours was an XLT, after we discovered the EB trim was out of our budget.

    The XLT did have leather, however.

    Was pretty reliable, other than the rear window shattered on Easter Sunday at my sister-in-laws house.
    I loved it. It was nice looking too, medium wedge wood blue over beige leather. Comfortable highway cruiser too. Zero problems while I had it. It did have the dreaded Firestones. I was a little too proactive and replaced them on my own dime.
    Ours was green over beige. The 4.0 was a little coarse, but it was a truck, after all...

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  • au1994au1994 GAPosts: 1,882
    Michaell said:

    au1994 said:

    Michaell said:

    My 02 Explorer Eddie Bauer was one of my favorite vehicles.
    Had it for almost 13 years.
    Lots of good memories for the whole family.
    A few bumps along the way, too.

    Ours was an XLT, after we discovered the EB trim was out of our budget.

    The XLT did have leather, however.

    Was pretty reliable, other than the rear window shattered on Easter Sunday at my sister-in-laws house.
    I loved it. It was nice looking too, medium wedge wood blue over beige leather. Comfortable highway cruiser too. Zero problems while I had it. It did have the dreaded Firestones. I was a little too proactive and replaced them on my own dime.
    Ours was green over beige. The 4.0 was a little coarse, but it was a truck, after all...
    Yeah but I was coming from a 95 Tacoma so this was serious luxury for me!

    2008 Toyota Land Cruiser White over Tan
    2017 BMW X1 Jet Black over Mocha

  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 12,326
    edited October 2020
    mjfloyd1 said:

    nyccarguy said:

    stickguy said:

    andres3 said:

    stickguy said:

    andres3 said:

    stickguy said:

    the weird dynamics of monthly payment is what I love about leasing. The thrill of finding out what nice cars can be had for less money than boring ones!

    MEH! For me, leasing is the equivalent of the TIMESHARE industry. Too many reoccurring access points for scammers to scam and swindle you for more money, and you have no leverage to stop it. I prefer AirBNB, owning, selling, and hotels/motels.
    leasing is just an alternative method of financing a car.
    I could agree with that if there wasn't disposition fees, subjective "excess wear and tear" type fees, and essentially what amounts to prepayment penalties. Also, financing isn't "guaranteed" at the end of the lease. With a "balloon" payment mortgage, for example, what I recall is that all the financing was guaranteed and defined at the end of "balloon popping" period. I might be wrong on that.
    All the fees are just rolled into the price. And if you buy a car, there are also wear and tear penalties if you go to sell it (that is, you get less for it). Especially if it has a wreck with major repairs needed.

    If you Buy a car with a loan and after 3 years sell it, your cost is basically payments and depreciation. No different than on a lease. The biggest difference being, on a lease, you are guaranteed a residual. On your purchase, it’s worth what someone decides to offer you.

    And very often, there are significant lease incentives which offset the up front and disposition costs. But still, the bottom line is comparing your total cost to own to determine which method is more cost effective.
    Amen!
    To me the greatest advantage of leasing is that if you have a wreck, you just get it fixed and turn it in. You don’t worry about decreased value like you would trading a car in that has a dirty carfax.
    I agree, that is the best advantage of leasing.

    So you mean you don't enjoy, gain pleasure, and have fun going to battle with the INSURANCE CABAL over diminished value?

    The biggest disadvantage is you are usually stuck for the full lease term as residuals are inflated more often than not.
    I think I recall calculating that it was cheaper for me to park the Kia in Tijuana, Mexico for a year unattended, and then return it, rather than return it a year early.
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  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 12,326
    mjfloyd1 said:

    andres3 said:

    stickguy said:

    andres3 said:

    stickguy said:

    the weird dynamics of monthly payment is what I love about leasing. The thrill of finding out what nice cars can be had for less money than boring ones!

    MEH! For me, leasing is the equivalent of the TIMESHARE industry. Too many reoccurring access points for scammers to scam and swindle you for more money, and you have no leverage to stop it. I prefer AirBNB, owning, selling, and hotels/motels.
    leasing is just an alternative method of financing a car.
    I could agree with that if there wasn't disposition fees, subjective "excess wear and tear" type fees, and essentially what amounts to prepayment penalties. Also, financing isn't "guaranteed" at the end of the lease. With a "balloon" payment mortgage, for example, what I recall is that all the financing was guaranteed and defined at the end of "balloon popping" period. I might be wrong on that.
    What kind of alternative universe do you live in? A lease is financing FOR THE TERM OF THE LEASE. Of course financing isn't guaranteed after the lease ends.
    Contractually, maybe it should be. Would be easy to put a "buyout" finance amount based on the residual and a pre-determined interest rate.
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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 40,838
    The only variable is how many years and what current interest rate is. The important part, the price, is known. No company is going to lock an interest rate 3 years in advance. Plus, very few people buy out their lease.

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