Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous

tifighter

qbrozen said:

I wouldn’t call even 11 weeks “not able to keep up with demand.” I mean, we are talking custom order here. Any manufacturer takes many weeks to 4 mos or so for custom order.

I would. I have two co-workers in the market; local delivery center has none on the ground right now.

au1994

explorerx4 said:

@au1994,
Since I am not eligible for for one of the rebates, price is closer to 47k. Can get 0% for 72 month financing in addition to some other rebates(either 2750 or 3500) after discount from MSRP.

%47k isn’t bad, not great either but competitive for the segment. Doesn’t seem to be any deals in SUV land lately.

oldfarmer50

rny421 said:

Hey Everyone,
Hope you're all staying safe during these crazy times. Luckily there looks to be an end in sight, but I'm getting impatient.

Now, onto cars - I've always had a thing for EVs, as the technology interests me. With both of us currently working from home, plus my commute being relatively short, range isn't much of an issue, especially with one of our cars being gasoline. I floated the idea past my wife, and she didn't say no... so it got me looking into it.

On paper, the perfect choices would be the Jaguar I-Pace or Audi e-Tron, as I like a more luxury-oriented vehicle, but I can't get behind spending $50K used or what seems to be a $600+ lease payment. I could probably justify it at $500, but that doesn't seem realistic from what I've seen.

The BMW i3 EV seems to have some great lease deals, but the fact that it's RWD is a negative as we get a lot of snow in NY. I may be able to get over it if I can get to a ~$250 payment for a loaded one. I've also thought about the Mini Cooper SE, but it looks like those aren't available for lease?

Decisions decisions....

Too bad as we had a member do a lease swap on his EV a few days ago.

28firefighter

*raises hand* Yep - but I'm in Seattle - wouldn't have been a cost effective option for someone on the east coast to take it. I think I saw some i3 deals from some lease brokers in the northeast.

oldfarmer50

breld said:

Is it just me or does this seem like a really good deal?

https://www.bmwofdenverdowntown.com/certified/BMW/2018-BMW-440i-near+denver+co-0b9feb6d0a0d0c1442b7e98ef2b6ec83.htm

Not bad. Any accident history or other surprises?

oldfarmer50

sda said:

In addition to actual running usage I wonder if the maintenance minder counts down by days as well. If I recall Honda/Acura states that the car requires at minimum a yearly service, typically an oil change/filter.

My Mustang does that. Very annoying when you’ve only put 1500 miles on the car.

Michaell

qbrozen said:

I wouldn’t call even 11 weeks “not able to keep up with demand.” I mean, we are talking custom order here. Any manufacturer takes many weeks to 4 mos or so for custom order.

IIRC, there are like 3 or 4 options for Tesla - exterior color, interior color (black or white), wheels and powertrain. Not much custom about those orders.

ab348

@explorerx4 , I would be wary of a 2020 Explorer with wind noise. That is one of the items I’ve read as being one of the issues with the assembly plant problems from the launch of production.

rny421

Range isn't really a big deal for me. I'd even be fine with the Mini's ~110 mile range, but again, don't want to pay new pricing for it because I bet it'll drop like a rock.

Somehow I completely forgot about the Mach-E. I really like the looks of it. I wonder how it will lease. Given that it's brand new, I doubt it will be in line with what I want to pay.

I did look at Tesla's, and their new leases are effectively $700+ for an AWD Model 3. That being said, if I could take over someone else's lease for ~$500.... I'd consider it. Most of the sub-$500 payment Teslas on Swap A Lease are also requiring thousands down. This one doesn't say anything - what am I missing?

https://www.swapalease.com/lease/details/2019-Tesla-Model-3.aspx?salid=1523327

qbrozen

I don't understand what it would mean to "have Teslas on the ground." There are no dealerships, so where exactly would they be? Hell, it took 3 weeks for me to get an existing used car shipped to me.

Maybe I'm looking at it wrong, but if they were not able to keep up with demand, then the wait time would keep getting longer and longer. Given that it stays pretty steady, then they are obviously producing them at the same steady rate as the orders are coming in.

nyccarguy

If you go to the Tesla website, there is plenty of inventory. Quite a few standard range RWD Model 3 units round these here parts. I like it in Red. Nice car for under $40K. I wonder how it would compare to the Genesis G70 2.0T AWD I saw on the lot for about the same MSRP. With just under 2 years until our Pilot is paid off and 9 months until I have to get a new truck (that is going to cost more than $325/month), I have no business shelling out another $40K for a 4th car;)

roadburner

The X1 went in for an Oil Service today; I received a short video showing everything was in good shape-no upsells-and that it was good to go.
I had another M340i for a loaner. Really fast and comfortable, but just too big. My wife remarked that it didn't feel like a 3 Series- more like a 5 or 7 Series. Not a bad car at all, just not for me.
In other news, the sales guy at the Toyota dealer really wants to move that Supra; he's even found a lender with a 0.9 APR up to 48 months.

Michaell

roadburner said:

The X1 went in for an Oil Service today; I received a short video showing everything was in good shape-no upsells-and that it was good to go.
I had another M340i for a loaner. Really fast and comfortable, but just too big. My wife remarked that it didn't feel like a 3 Series- more like a 5 or 7 Series. Not a bad car at all, just not for me.
In other news, the sales guy at the Toyota dealer really wants to move that Supra; he's even found a lender with a 0.9 APR up to 48 months.

Those floorplan costs do add up, eventually.

I think that's why @breld got the deal he did, on his.

corvette

roadburner said:

In other news, the sales guy at the Toyota dealer really wants to move that Supra; he's even found a lender with a 0.9 APR up to 48 months.

Ask them whether they will throw in a t-shirt that says "I am the warranty, unless a warning light is on."

breld

oldfarmer50 said:

breld said:

Is it just me or does this seem like a really good deal?

https://www.bmwofdenverdowntown.com/certified/BMW/2018-BMW-440i-near+denver+co-0b9feb6d0a0d0c1442b7e98ef2b6ec83.htm

Not bad. Any accident history or other surprises?

Not that I can see from the listing and Carfax...the pricing seems so strong that I also assumed something was amiss. I thought perhaps it was a rare RWD model in these parts, or there was damage on the carfax, but it all seems clean.

28firefighter

I’m guessing the color is a love it or hate it, erring towards hate it for most. So that is probably driving price. I liked it.

breld

roadburner said:

The X1 went in for an Oil Service today; I received a short video showing everything was in good shape-no upsells-and that it was good to go.
I had another M340i for a loaner. Really fast and comfortable, but just too big. My wife remarked that it didn't feel like a 3 Series- more like a 5 or 7 Series. Not a bad car at all, just not for me.
In other news, the sales guy at the Toyota dealer really wants to move that Supra; he's even found a lender with a 0.9 APR up to 48 months.

FWIW, the rebate in effect when I bought my Supra could not be combined with the low APR. So if it’s an either/or thing again, at least you’d be getting one side of it with the low interest rate.

Sounds like the dealership recognizes that having a legitimate interested party is valuable - perhaps they can throw everything they have at the deal to move it during these tough selling months.

breld

28firefighter said:

I’m guessing the color is a love it or hate it, erring towards hate it for most. So that is probably driving price. I liked it.

I assume you’re talking of the sunset orange? I think you’re right. There are two 440’s in that color I’ve been “tracking” and they sure aren’t moving very fast.

breld

@28firefighter - you’re looking at that Golf R tomorrow, right?

28firefighter

No. I was supposed to see it on Sunday, but my Dad’s accident has turned everything upside down. He is not going to be able to drive for months and it’ll be even longer before there is any chance of being able to shift a manual.

So, my Mom and Dad have asked if I would take temporary custody of his 2007 BMW 530xiT 6MT (I helped him buy this last year) until he is ready to drive it again - it’s rare enough that if we sell it, he might not find another like it reasonably. I’m waiting on a shipping carrier to pick it up and bring it to Seattle. Far from a penalty box and probably a 12 month thing.

corvette

Well, can't complain about a 530xiT, even if it's less sporty than a Golf R... It is getting to the age where there may be a decided advantage in "borrowing" it from a family member, with the possibility of not being 100% financially responsible for repairs, if you know what I mean!

stickguy

28firefighter said:

No. I was supposed to see it on Sunday, but my Dad’s accident has turned everything upside down. He is not going to be able to drive for months and it’ll be even longer before there is any chance of being able to shift a manual.

So, my Mom and Dad have asked if I would take temporary custody of his 2007 BMW 530xiT 6MT (I helped him buy this last year) until he is ready to drive it again - it’s rare enough that if we sell it, he might not find another like it reasonably. I’m waiting on a shipping carrier to pick it up and bring it to Seattle. Far from a penalty box and probably a 12 month thing.

lucky they have you for that. Of course, I am much closer and have an empty garage bay, and would have been happy to keep it exercised for a bit. No shipping needed, I would pick it up!

stickguy

and I keep expecting to get a call about my dad that leads to having his car become my problem. Unfortunately it is a couple year old Sentra. I guess, for free, better than nothing?

Michaell

stickguy said:

and I keep expecting to get a call about my dad that leads to having his car become my problem. Unfortunately it is a couple year old Sentra. I guess, for free, better than nothing?

That’s what I keep thinking about my moms Sonata in California.

stickguy

oh, if I had a car sitting there like that I would have already taken it home. My dad is actually still using his (we try not to think about this too much, but he does not go far) and you be mad if I took it.

28firefighter

I’m fully expecting to have a bunch of stuff go wrong - though we have maintenance history going back 10 years, so I’m cautiously optimistic.

Very kind offer of you, stick! Hahaha.

28firefighter

Regarding the Golf R, I was seriously ready to buy it - I had financing lined up and everything. But, my Dad seriously loves this car so I’m happy to keep it warm for him.

Michaell

28firefighter said:

Regarding the Golf R, I was seriously ready to buy it - I had financing lined up and everything. But, my Dad seriously loves this car so I’m happy to keep it warm for him.

I'm sure there will be another Golf R (or equivalent) when the time is right.

xwesx

stickguy said:

oh, if I had a car sitting there like that I would have already taken it home. My dad is actually still using his (we try not to think about this too much, but he does not go far) and you be mad if I took it.

"Curmudgeon? Curmudgeon?! I'll show you curmudgeon if you try to take my car!!!!"

au1994

stickguy said:

and I keep expecting to get a call about my dad that leads to having his car become my problem. Unfortunately it is a couple year old Sentra. I guess, for free, better than nothing?

Just think of it as getting a company car. “what the heck, its free”

oldfarmer50

rny421 said:

Range isn't really a big deal for me. I'd even be fine with the Mini's ~110 mile range, but again, don't want to pay new pricing for it because I bet it'll drop like a rock.

Somehow I completely forgot about the Mach-E. I really like the looks of it. I wonder how it will lease. Given that it's brand new, I doubt it will be in line with what I want to pay.

I did look at Tesla's, and their new leases are effectively $700+ for an AWD Model 3. That being said, if I could take over someone else's lease for ~$500.... I'd consider it. Most of the sub-$500 payment Teslas on Swap A Lease are also requiring thousands down. This one doesn't say anything - what am I missing?

https://www.swapalease.com/lease/details/2019-Tesla-Model-3.aspx?salid=1523327

From what little I could find, the top GT model will be over $700 a month.

au1994

28firefighter said:

I’m guessing the color is a love it or hate it, erring towards hate it for most. So that is probably driving price. I liked it.

Agree, it’s got to be the color driving this. I too love it and as a matter of fact, set out to get the X1 in the same combo but it was sold before I got there. That’s a heck of a deal for a 440i.

oldfarmer50

breld said:

oldfarmer50 said:

breld said:

Is it just me or does this seem like a really good deal?

https://www.bmwofdenverdowntown.com/certified/BMW/2018-BMW-440i-near+denver+co-0b9feb6d0a0d0c1442b7e98ef2b6ec83.htm

Not bad. Any accident history or other surprises?

Not that I can see from the listing and Carfax...the pricing seems so strong that I also assumed something was amiss. I thought perhaps it was a rare RWD model in these parts, or there was damage on the carfax, but it all seems clean.

Well, you know I’m a sucker for low mileage cars. You have my permission to pull the trigger.

nyccarguy

rny421 said:

Range isn't really a big deal for me. I'd even be fine with the Mini's ~110 mile range, but again, don't want to pay new pricing for it because I bet it'll drop like a rock.

Somehow I completely forgot about the Mach-E. I really like the looks of it. I wonder how it will lease. Given that it's brand new, I doubt it will be in line with what I want to pay.

I did look at Tesla's, and their new leases are effectively $700+ for an AWD Model 3. That being said, if I could take over someone else's lease for ~$500.... I'd consider it. Most of the sub-$500 payment Teslas on Swap A Lease are also requiring thousands down. This one doesn't say anything - what am I missing?

https://www.swapalease.com/lease/details/2019-Tesla-Model-3.aspx?salid=1523327

I love when I see used TESLA ads and they say: "Up to date with all maintenance." This car has 6,800 miles on it. What maintenance have they done besides wash it?

stickguy

au1994 said:

28firefighter said:

I’m guessing the color is a love it or hate it, erring towards hate it for most. So that is probably driving price. I liked it.

Agree, it’s got to be the color driving this. I too love it and as a matter of fact, set out to get the X1 in the same combo but it was sold before I got there. That’s a heck of a deal for a 440i.

good maintenance too. 2 oil changes before 10k miles. Does turn 3 YO in a couple of weeks

breld

stickguy said:

au1994 said:

28firefighter said:

I’m guessing the color is a love it or hate it, erring towards hate it for most. So that is probably driving price. I liked it.

Agree, it’s got to be the color driving this. I too love it and as a matter of fact, set out to get the X1 in the same combo but it was sold before I got there. That’s a heck of a deal for a 440i.

good maintenance too. 2 oil changes before 10k miles. Does turn 3 YO in a couple of weeks

So about 2 more years of warranty with the CPO I believe. Though no more “free” maintenance.

graphicguy

breld said:

Is it just me or does this seem like a really good deal?

https://www.bmwofdenverdowntown.com/certified/BMW/2018-BMW-440i-near+denver+co-0b9feb6d0a0d0c1442b7e98ef2b6ec83.htm

Maybe it’s NOT an AWD car sitting at a dealer in Denver? Or, did I miss that in the listing? I do agree.....seems like a mighty good price. Color is dubious IMHO, though.

graphicguy

tifighter said:

qbrozen said:

I wouldn’t call even 11 weeks “not able to keep up with demand.” I mean, we are talking custom order here. Any manufacturer takes many weeks to 4 mos or so for custom order.

I would. I have two co-workers in the market; local delivery center has none on the ground right now.

Didn’t someone around here nail down a super cheap lease on a Chevy Bolt of Volt recently? I think it may be geographically dependent on what kind of deal you get, too.

qbrozen

@roadburner , just curious, did you ever try on a CTS-V, ATS-V, or even CTS Vsport?

stickguy

breld said:

stickguy said:

au1994 said:

28firefighter said:

I’m guessing the color is a love it or hate it, erring towards hate it for most. So that is probably driving price. I liked it.

Agree, it’s got to be the color driving this. I too love it and as a matter of fact, set out to get the X1 in the same combo but it was sold before I got there. That’s a heck of a deal for a 440i.

good maintenance too. 2 oil changes before 10k miles. Does turn 3 YO in a couple of weeks

So about 2 more years of warranty with the CPO I believe. Though no more “free” maintenance.

weird warranty. 1 more year of normal BtoB, then 1 year of CPO coverage, then 1 year of 6/70 powertrain coverage (assuming you don't blow through the miles on the BtoB or powertrain early).

and that car is an Xdrive. Must be the color combo holding it back if the price is lower than normal.

roadburner

corvette said:

roadburner said:

In other news, the sales guy at the Toyota dealer really wants to move that Supra; he's even found a lender with a 0.9 APR up to 48 months.

Ask them whether they will throw in a t-shirt that says "I am the warranty, unless a warning light is on."

I am still concerned about Toyota “technicians” servicing what is for all practical purposes a BMW. I wonder if there are any decent Toyota service departments in the Louisville area.

roadburner

28firefighter said:

I’m guessing the color is a love it or hate it, erring towards hate it for most. So that is probably driving price. I liked it.

My wife and I both love Sunset Orange. I want either that color or Hockenheim Silver if I get an M2 Comp.

roadburner

qbrozen said:

@roadburner , just curious, did you ever try on a CTS-V, ATS-V, or even CTS Vsport?

I drove a friend’s CTS-V that was fitted with a Lingenfelter 700 hp motor. It was lots of fun but again a bit too big- and I wasn’t all that impressed with the interior. Also, the local Cadillac dealer has a difficult time relating to customers who still have all their own teeth and don’t wear bright green slacks with white shoes and a matching belt.
When I worked at BMW we all dreaded having to take a Cadillac trade down there to have it appraised. The UCM was just bizarre- he’d belligerently ask whoever brought the car down, “How come you didn’t buy it here?”
He would have to be reminded that we weren’t actual customers.
I think I told the story of my friend who bought a CTS- that same dealer was going to charge an hour of labor to “diagnose” a weak key fob remote battery.

stickguy

roadburner said:

corvette said:

roadburner said:

In other news, the sales guy at the Toyota dealer really wants to move that Supra; he's even found a lender with a 0.9 APR up to 48 months.

Ask them whether they will throw in a t-shirt that says "I am the warranty, unless a warning light is on."

I am still concerned about Toyota “technicians” servicing what is for all practical purposes a BMW. I wonder if there are any decent Toyota service departments in the Louisville area.

if it is routine service (oil changes, etc.) on your dime, just take it to the BMW dealer. Only really an issue if it needs something warranty related. Toyota is a smart company, so I assume they worked out the logistics for this.

mjfloyd1

New Toyotas come with 2yr/ 24k mile prepaid maintenance

stickguy

well, if you can afford a new $40K+ car, and are concerned about it, bite the bullet and just add to the total cost.

Or just DIY it in the garage.

qbrozen

roadburner said:

qbrozen said:

@roadburner , just curious, did you ever try on a CTS-V, ATS-V, or even CTS Vsport?

I drove a friend’s CTS-V that was fitted with a Lingenfelter 700 hp motor. It was lots of fun but again a bit to big and I wasn’t all that impressed with the interior. Also, the local Cadillac dealer has a difficult time relating to customers who still have all their own teeth an don’t wear bright green slacks with white shoes and a matching belt.
When I worked at BMW we all dreaded having to take a Cadillac trade down there to have it appraised. The UCM was just bizarre- he’d belligerently ask whoever brought the car down, “How come you didn’t buy it here?”
He would have to be reminded that we weren’t actual customers.
I think I told the story of my friend who bought a CTS- that same dealer was going to charge an hour of labor to “diagnose” a weak key fob remote battery.

ha. well, good reasons.
I liked the interior in my 2014. Very upscale. Definitely better than either of our 2018 bimmers. But I know the older gens were pretty bad inside.
As for the size, I first thought of that, but then remembered you keep considering the Stinger. But also why I mentioned the ATS-V (never drove one of those myself), but if your dealer sucks, then that's a shame. I have to drive about 45 mins to get to my only good Caddy dealer.

stickguy

Can always take it to Graphicguys caddy dealer!

Oh, wait...

xwesx

stickguy said:

Can always take it to Graphicguys caddy dealer!

Oh, wait...

And, leave it to @stickguy to break out the salt....

roadburner

I joined a Supra MkV forum and there are more than a few stories of dealers not using an oil with the correct BMW Longlife approval and/or not having the correct oil filter in stock. In one case a hapless owner waited over 90 minutes and when he asked what was going on he found out the dealer didn’t have either the proper oil or the filter. Also, the cars are often returned without resetting the Condition Based Service- so the owner gets the car back only to find that the car continues to indicate an oil change is needed.