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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 41,444
    tjc78 said:

    stickguy said:

    those are nice little cars. Even reasonably entertaining with the 1.6t/DSG powertrain.

    That little SUV would be perfect candidate for a sport edition with about 300HP.
    if it performs comparable to the Elantra sport (not sure how much it weighs or what AWD does to it) much more than the 190ish HP it comes with it probably overkill in something that size and design. 0-60 in the 6's is just fine for most everyone.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 41,444
    nyccarguy said:

    @breld - do you want to “pull?” At “nearly 50 years old,” you don’t want to pull a muscle getting in or out.

    No doubly the M2 is a seriously sick automobile. The Supra is very unique. When’s the last time you saw another one on the road?

    add me to the list of thinking a 240i is the better option. Assuming you are like the majority of people that are not actually using a "comp" in "competition" (or even on a track) that is a lot of extra $ for likely capabilities at the margins that you will never reach, and (usually) with some day to day limitations on an ultra performance model. a Mustang GT500 vs. a Mustang GT is probably a good example too.

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 14,620
    qbrozen said:

    breld said:

    Here's the think folks...I've not seeking an improvement over the Supra. I'm just at a point where I'm starting to have that itch for something different. And it's not even change for the sake of change (as it often is)...I'm not all over the place, but rather focused on an M2 or M240i. Maybe a Miata as a long-shot, but I've gotten really used to the increased comfort and usability of the Supra.

    The biggest challenge is whether I'm ready to move on from the Supra. I love the styling of it...and at the same time often yearn for something less conspicuous. Something that doesn't cause 20-something drivers in BRZ's to hang their head out the window and scream at me (I think in admiration)...often asking if I want to "pull." I'm near 50 years old and have no idea what they're asking. :o

    The BMW would offer a very similar experience but in a more mature body. It's a more upright seating position that I do miss from the GTI. And while super sharp in my eyes, it sort of blends in.

    The value of the Supra has been great - I paid $47,700 for it last June and trade offers are averaging around $45k. Man, if only all my transactions were like that. So, I can move on from it if I choose feeling great about what the cost was to own and drive it for going on a year (I'm rounding up a bit). But it's also compelling to hang on to it having purchased that kind of performance at that kind of value.

    For the record, I'm not buying that M2 Comp I drove yesterday. I posted that right after the test drive and was on a high. I'd still like one, but not ready to up my budget for it (they offered it to me for my Supra plus $6,500...not bad actually). I am still considering the straight trade for the 2018 M2...I have it on hold with a refundable deposit so it's at least available to me to look at this week.

    Having said all that (sorry for the long winded post)...I'll probably keep the Supra. If so, do I win anything? ;)

    Was it really June?? I didn’t think it was anywhere near that long ago. Is $47k including all taxes and fees? Does your state give tax credit on trade-ins? If so, I’d say that’s not bad to take $2k hit in 8 mos. Just remember you are starting in more of a hole with used (difference between its trade value and retail). So swapping that one quick may be more expensive.
    I feel like he drives the Supra enough to enjoy it. The miles are always going to be on the low side. His cars are always in 10/10 inside & out. He’ll always be able to “get rid of it” without taking too much of a bath.

    I recently had a similar conversation with my best friend who bought a used 2018 Raptor as a daily driver a few months ago. He recently took a road trip to Florida and was very impressed how his sister’s 2019 Suburban RST drove. He doesn’t like the current body style Tahoe/Suburban and started looking for slightly used 2020 Premier models. He’s fielded a few offers that range from “even swap” to “you need to come up with $3,500.” I told him he’s always going to be able to dump the Raptor when he wants, but get into that Suburban and you will be under water for the next few years. I also reminded him of some of the bad reliability issues he’s had with the GM trucks over the years. Thus far his Raptor has been “perfect.”

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2017 Pilot Touring AWD, 2019 Tacoma TRD Sport 4WD

  • tifightertifighter WAPosts: 2,775
    breld said:

    Here's the think folks...I've not seeking an improvement over the Supra. I'm just at a point where I'm starting to have that itch for something different. And it's not even change for the sake of change (as it often is)...I'm not all over the place, but rather focused on an M2 or M240i. Maybe a Miata as a long-shot, but I've gotten really used to the increased comfort and usability of the Supra.

    The biggest challenge is whether I'm ready to move on from the Supra. I love the styling of it...and at the same time often yearn for something less conspicuous. Something that doesn't cause 20-something drivers in BRZ's to hang their head out the window and scream at me (I think in admiration)...often asking if I want to "pull." I'm near 50 years old and have no idea what they're asking. :o

    The BMW would offer a very similar experience but in a more mature body. It's a more upright seating position that I do miss from the GTI. And while super sharp in my eyes, it sort of blends in.

    The value of the Supra has been great - I paid $47,700 for it last June and trade offers are averaging around $45k. Man, if only all my transactions were like that. So, I can move on from it if I choose feeling great about what the cost was to own and drive it for going on a year (I'm rounding up a bit). But it's also compelling to hang on to it having purchased that kind of performance at that kind of value.

    For the record, I'm not buying that M2 Comp I drove yesterday. I posted that right after the test drive and was on a high. I'd still like one, but not ready to up my budget for it (they offered it to me for my Supra plus $6,500...not bad actually). I am still considering the straight trade for the 2018 M2...I have it on hold with a refundable deposit so it's at least available to me to look at this week.

    Having said all that (sorry for the long winded post)...I'll probably keep the Supra. If so, do I win anything? ;)

    Hmm. If that Comp was a stick it would be a no-brainer vs the 18 M2. The roadburners of the world seem to value the Comp more, so I think the extra layout on the front end is worth it; it is a more desirable car. But, the premise here is wanting a manual in the stable, yes? If we're talking about a DCT, the Supra is more interesting IMO. But I would say that - the Supra is a Z4 Coupe and that's always been more of my jam.

    I seem to recall the convo around the Supra last year, saying the discounts at that time wouldn't register, making for strong trade-in in about a year. Sounds like that's exactly what happened...nice.

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  • tifightertifighter WAPosts: 2,775
    tifighter said:

    breld said:



    So to be clear, I’m 99.9% sure a Supra will be in our garage. I’m just questioning how much it’s worth to be more patient - and that probably means a used 2020. I’m not waiting just to go out and pay sticker or near-sticker for a 2021. The current deals on the remaining 2020’s have obviously piqued my interest (along with my wife practically pushing me out the door to go get it...man I love her). It’s certainly a great time to buy a new Supra compared to those who had to be first in line and paid above sticker - I just need to decide if the additional premium of buying now over waiting for the used market is worth having it the garage now (well...tomorrow). 😀

    Anyway - I recognize all my chatter on the subject may get to an annoying state. Thanks all for the support and feedback.

    Okay, I'll say this. I think that these may not be as good of a deal used as you might think for a few years. There has been a lot of hype around the Supra, as we all know. Some buyers won't consider a new one right now as they imagine they are really expensive, maybe have an ADM, etc. We know this doesn't match the reality on the market, and there are incentives now. This happens a lot with first year 'hot' cars, because the manufacturer over estimates the demand and guesses on a production quantity. Voila, too much stock. That won't happen for 2021, I promise you.

    In a year, when a UCM gets one of these on the lot, they are going to think this was an ADM car, plus it's a 'Toyota' and will charge appropriately. Like the Civic Type-R, these will go from being nailed to the showroom floor thanks to a greedy sales manager, to a used car that a seller will be way too proud of. I think that if you can get a good deal now with incentives, you'll get to enjoy the car, and not get an unpleasant surprise later when dealers are listing used ones with 13K miles for $2K under MSRP. And maybe you could do even better on the trade value than you'd think in a year when you want to move on. Just my take.
    Yeah, here's that post from June. I think we got one right!

    18 Tesla X Performance / 21 Tesla Y LR / 11 BMW Z4 6MT

  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 14,511
    edited February 28
    For me, the Supra would be my first two seat sports car since my Datsun Roadster back in the late’70s. I’ve considered a two seat coupe several times but never pulled the trigger- M Coupe, Cayman, MR2, 370Z, etc. As I’ve said before, I’m not getting any younger.
    The M2 would be my first real M Car since my E24 M6. Probably the last BMW with the character and feel of the E46 and prior M3.
    I will say that I would almost certainly try a Supra if I could get the same discount bread received.

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  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoPosts: 180,315

    For me, the Supra would be my first two seat sports car since my Datsun Roadster back in the late’70s. I’ve considered a two seat coupe several times but never pulled the trigger- M Coupe, Cayman, MR2, 370Z, etc. As I’ve said before, I’m not getting any younger.
    The M2 would be my first real M Car since my E24 M6. Probably the last BMW with the character and feel of the E46 and prior M3.
    I will say that if I would almost certainly try a Supra if I could get the same discount bread received.

    The dealer where @breld got his has a couple of 3.0s on the lot; if the same SM or GM is there, no reason not to think a good deal can’t be had.

    https://www.groovetoyota.com/searchnew.aspx?Type=N&Make=Toyota&Model=Supra

    Did you get a good deal? Be sure to come back and let us know! Post a pic of your new purchase or lease!


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  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 8,348
    Halfway to the cost of an i8 at that point, just saying!
  • breldbreld Posts: 5,704
    edited February 28
    qbrozen said:

    breld said:

    Here's the think folks...I've not seeking an improvement over the Supra. I'm just at a point where I'm starting to have that itch for something different. And it's not even change for the sake of change (as it often is)...I'm not all over the place, but rather focused on an M2 or M240i. Maybe a Miata as a long-shot, but I've gotten really used to the increased comfort and usability of the Supra.

    The biggest challenge is whether I'm ready to move on from the Supra. I love the styling of it...and at the same time often yearn for something less conspicuous. Something that doesn't cause 20-something drivers in BRZ's to hang their head out the window and scream at me (I think in admiration)...often asking if I want to "pull." I'm near 50 years old and have no idea what they're asking. :o

    The BMW would offer a very similar experience but in a more mature body. It's a more upright seating position that I do miss from the GTI. And while super sharp in my eyes, it sort of blends in.

    The value of the Supra has been great - I paid $47,700 for it last June and trade offers are averaging around $45k. Man, if only all my transactions were like that. So, I can move on from it if I choose feeling great about what the cost was to own and drive it for going on a year (I'm rounding up a bit). But it's also compelling to hang on to it having purchased that kind of performance at that kind of value.

    For the record, I'm not buying that M2 Comp I drove yesterday. I posted that right after the test drive and was on a high. I'd still like one, but not ready to up my budget for it (they offered it to me for my Supra plus $6,500...not bad actually). I am still considering the straight trade for the 2018 M2...I have it on hold with a refundable deposit so it's at least available to me to look at this week.

    Having said all that (sorry for the long winded post)...I'll probably keep the Supra. If so, do I win anything? ;)

    Was it really June?? I didn’t think it was anywhere near that long ago. Is $47k including all taxes and fees? Does your state give tax credit on trade-ins? If so, I’d say that’s not bad to take $2k hit in 8 mos. Just remember you are starting in more of a hole with used (difference between its trade value and retail). So swapping that one quick may be more expensive.
    It was $47.7k with all fees, but before taxes. I got some credit for my 228i trade, but obviously that was only about a quarter of it. So I would pay little to no taxes on a trade for an M2.

    And yeah, I fully recognize every time I “start over” it’s another hole, which is why I generally bug you for pricing advice...to mitigate that trade vs retail as much as possible.

    2018 X3 M40i - 2020 MINI JCW Hardtop - 2020 Leaf

  • breldbreld Posts: 5,704
    tifighter said:

    tifighter said:

    breld said:



    So to be clear, I’m 99.9% sure a Supra will be in our garage. I’m just questioning how much it’s worth to be more patient - and that probably means a used 2020. I’m not waiting just to go out and pay sticker or near-sticker for a 2021. The current deals on the remaining 2020’s have obviously piqued my interest (along with my wife practically pushing me out the door to go get it...man I love her). It’s certainly a great time to buy a new Supra compared to those who had to be first in line and paid above sticker - I just need to decide if the additional premium of buying now over waiting for the used market is worth having it the garage now (well...tomorrow). 😀

    Anyway - I recognize all my chatter on the subject may get to an annoying state. Thanks all for the support and feedback.

    Okay, I'll say this. I think that these may not be as good of a deal used as you might think for a few years. There has been a lot of hype around the Supra, as we all know. Some buyers won't consider a new one right now as they imagine they are really expensive, maybe have an ADM, etc. We know this doesn't match the reality on the market, and there are incentives now. This happens a lot with first year 'hot' cars, because the manufacturer over estimates the demand and guesses on a production quantity. Voila, too much stock. That won't happen for 2021, I promise you.

    In a year, when a UCM gets one of these on the lot, they are going to think this was an ADM car, plus it's a 'Toyota' and will charge appropriately. Like the Civic Type-R, these will go from being nailed to the showroom floor thanks to a greedy sales manager, to a used car that a seller will be way too proud of. I think that if you can get a good deal now with incentives, you'll get to enjoy the car, and not get an unpleasant surprise later when dealers are listing used ones with 13K miles for $2K under MSRP. And maybe you could do even better on the trade value than you'd think in a year when you want to move on. Just my take.
    Yeah, here's that post from June. I think we got one right!
    You most certainly got that right - I remember appreciating that feedback last year...and am very pleased it came to be true!

    2018 X3 M40i - 2020 MINI JCW Hardtop - 2020 Leaf

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Posts: 17,649
    Hey, does anyone know why Kia went from GDI and 161hp in their 2.0L motor for 2019 to TPI and 147hp in 2020+?

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  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 8,348
    That's interesting... I guess it's cheaper to produce, and I suppose it further differentiates the 1.6 turbo as the premium engine.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 14,620
    I have a customer who recently traded in his Tacoma TRD Off Road (Double Cab/Short Bed) for a 2020 Tundra. He came to pick up a few things on Saturday. I had him park next to my truck to see the size difference. Pictures don’t lie (well, photoshopped pictures do...). It seems his Tundra (Crew Max/SB) is the exact same length as my Tacoma (Double Cab/Long Bed). The tundra seems to be a lot wider & definitely taller.




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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 41,444
    that's my biggest problem with the full sized trucks. Not the length. It's the width, and the giant tall hoods. Who cares how long it stretches out behind you, as long as there is a camera to see backing up? Well, can be a bit of a hassle in a parking lot or garage I guess.

    I would like another truck the size of my old 1991 Nissan. Extended cab with the side fold jump seats. Good sized bed, and about 196" long (actually about 6" shorter than our odyssey was.) Plus the cab was not too big, nice low hood, and great visibility. Pretty narrow too, and easy to maneuver (other than backing up of course). It helps that I really don't need something with real back seat passenger room).

    or maybe one of these!

    https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a29792006/hyundai-santa-cruz-confirmed-2021/

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  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 8,348
    edited February 28
    As someone who grew up driving compact and midsize cars, I like the width of full size SUVs and trucks, as it makes them feel roomier, but the Tahoe was perfect for me in terms of having a very roomy second row (when I needed it) and a generous enclosed cargo area, plus a shorter wheelbase to make it more maneuverable.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 14,708
    corvette said:

    As someone who grew up driving compact and midsize cars, I like the width of full size SUVs and trucks, as it makes them feel roomier, but the Tahoe was perfect for me in terms of having a very roomy second row (when I needed it) and a generous enclosed cargo area, plus a shorter wheelbase to make it more maneuverable.

    Yeah, the Tahoe is a really good package in terms of versatility. It does a lot of things well, as long as you don't mind zero connection to the road. :D
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  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 14,708
    stickguy said:

    that's my biggest problem with the full sized trucks. Not the length. It's the width, and the giant tall hoods. Who cares how long it stretches out behind you, as long as there is a camera to see backing up? Well, can be a bit of a hassle in a parking lot or garage I guess.

    I would like another truck the size of my old 1991 Nissan. Extended cab with the side fold jump seats. Good sized bed, and about 196" long (actually about 6" shorter than our odyssey was.) Plus the cab was not too big, nice low hood, and great visibility. Pretty narrow too, and easy to maneuver (other than backing up of course). It helps that I really don't need something with real back seat passenger room).

    or maybe one of these!

    https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a29792006/hyundai-santa-cruz-confirmed-2021/

    Huh. I may have seen a test mule of one of these here in Fairbanks last week during a cold snap. It was heavily covered in camo, but it was definitely a midsize, four-door, short bed vehicle. Looked very "Ridgeline-ish" in it's profile, in terms of being a unibody rather than having a separated bed.
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  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 14,511
    Michaell said:

    For me, the Supra would be my first two seat sports car since my Datsun Roadster back in the late’70s. I’ve considered a two seat coupe several times but never pulled the trigger- M Coupe, Cayman, MR2, 370Z, etc. As I’ve said before, I’m not getting any younger.
    The M2 would be my first real M Car since my E24 M6. Probably the last BMW with the character and feel of the E46 and prior M3.
    I will say that if I would almost certainly try a Supra if I could get the same discount bread received.

    The dealer where @breld got his has a couple of 3.0s on the lot; if the same SM or GM is there, no reason not to think a good deal can’t be had.

    https://www.groovetoyota.com/searchnew.aspx?Type=N&Make=Toyota&Model=Supra
    I want one in either Nitro Yellow or Renaissance Red.
    I would also take an orange Supra like Han’s in Fast & Furious 9, but that’s not available. B)

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  • breldbreld Posts: 5,704

    Michaell said:

    For me, the Supra would be my first two seat sports car since my Datsun Roadster back in the late’70s. I’ve considered a two seat coupe several times but never pulled the trigger- M Coupe, Cayman, MR2, 370Z, etc. As I’ve said before, I’m not getting any younger.
    The M2 would be my first real M Car since my E24 M6. Probably the last BMW with the character and feel of the E46 and prior M3.
    I will say that if I would almost certainly try a Supra if I could get the same discount bread received.

    The dealer where @breld got his has a couple of 3.0s on the lot; if the same SM or GM is there, no reason not to think a good deal can’t be had.

    https://www.groovetoyota.com/searchnew.aspx?Type=N&Make=Toyota&Model=Supra
    I want one in either Nitro Yellow or Renaissance Red.
    I would also take an orange Supra like Han’s in Fast & Furious 9, but that’s not available. B)
    Just need that incentive to come back...hopefully as it gets closer to 2022's coming out they will be more anxious to move existing inventory.

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  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 14,511
    breld said:

    Michaell said:

    For me, the Supra would be my first two seat sports car since my Datsun Roadster back in the late’70s. I’ve considered a two seat coupe several times but never pulled the trigger- M Coupe, Cayman, MR2, 370Z, etc. As I’ve said before, I’m not getting any younger.
    The M2 would be my first real M Car since my E24 M6. Probably the last BMW with the character and feel of the E46 and prior M3.
    I will say that if I would almost certainly try a Supra if I could get the same discount bread received.

    The dealer where @breld got his has a couple of 3.0s on the lot; if the same SM or GM is there, no reason not to think a good deal can’t be had.

    https://www.groovetoyota.com/searchnew.aspx?Type=N&Make=Toyota&Model=Supra
    I want one in either Nitro Yellow or Renaissance Red.
    I would also take an orange Supra like Han’s in Fast & Furious 9, but that’s not available. B)
    Just need that incentive to come back...hopefully as it gets closer to 2022's coming out they will be more anxious to move existing inventory.
    A Toyota salesman on one of the Supra forums mentioned that Toyota usually offers incentives on a quarterly basis so I’ll just have to wait and see.

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  • breldbreld Posts: 5,704
    edited March 1
    I'm gonna share my morning financial analysis of my M2 options - feel free to just keep scrolling; it won't hurt my feelings (and I won't know anyway) :) ...

    Here's my approach when trading for a used car...take the difference between KBB trade value between my car and theirs, and add $3,000 for profit. If I get there for the difference paid then I feel pretty good. Sometimes it's lower and I feel really good, and sometimes I'm okay with it being higher if I really want the car, but I generally wouldn't do more than $5,000.

    KBB may or may not be the best estimate of value, but unless it's really skewed on one car and not the other, it gives me a relative difference in values. And it's easy to look up so I don't have to bother @qbrozen with every car thought that I have. :)

    So...using that approach with today's KBB values:
    • The deal on the 2018 M2 manual reflects a $7,100 profit :s . They've marked their car up around $5k, which kinda makes sense for what it is and that they just got it in, but it seems they're being a bit conservative on the trade as well.
    • The deal on the 2019 M2 Comp (DCT) reflects a profit of $4,732. It felt like a better deal, but it's nice to put numbers to it.
    Where does that leave me? Well, even if I just love the 2018 M2 when I look at it this week, I can't do that deal. On the off chance it sits for a few weeks and they reduce the price, or up the trade on my car, I'd consider it again.

    The Comp is a bit tempting, and the wrestle there is DCT vs Manual. Plus, the 22k miles gives me a little pause...it's a bit over 2 years old, so it's actually lower than average miles, but considering the type of car it is, most others are sub-20k. That salesperson already checked in with me this morning and offered to throw in new tires (it has snow tires on it, albeit brand new ones). They know I'm looking at the 2018 this week and it'd be interesting to see how aggressive they could get.

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  • carnaughtcarnaught Desert SWPosts: 3,073
    So @breld, what side of the garage is it going on?
  • pensfan83pensfan83 PennsylvaniaPosts: 2,199
    I have yet to drive my buddy's new Tundra but he thinks once I do I'll want that instead of another Tacoma.
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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 41,444
    breld said:

    I'm gonna share my morning financial analysis of my M2 options - feel free to just keep scrolling; it won't hurt my feelings (and I won't know anyway) :) ...

    Here's my approach when trading for a used car...take the difference between KBB trade value between my car and theirs, and add $3,000 for profit. If I get there for the difference paid then I feel pretty good. Sometimes it's lower and I feel really good, and sometimes I'm okay with it being higher if I really want the car, but I generally wouldn't do more than $5,000.

    KBB may or may not be the best estimate of value, but unless it's really skewed on one car and not the other, it gives me a relative difference in values. And it's easy to look up so I don't have to bother @qbrozen with every car thought that I have. :)

    So...using that approach with today's KBB values:

    • The deal on the 2018 M2 manual reflects a $7,100 profit :s . They've marked their car up around $5k, which kinda makes sense for what it is and that they just got it in, but it seems they're being a bit conservative on the trade as well.
    • The deal on the 2019 M2 Comp (DCT) reflects a profit of $4,732. It felt like a better deal, but it's nice to put numbers to it.
    Where does that leave me? Well, even if I just love the 2018 M2 when I look at it this week, I can't do that deal. On the off chance it sits for a few weeks and they reduce the price, or up the trade on my car, I'd consider it again.

    The Comp is a bit tempting, and the wrestle there is DCT vs Manual. Plus, the 22k miles gives me a little pause...it's a bit over 2 years old, so it's actually lower than average miles, but considering the type of car it is, most others are sub-20k. That salesperson already checked in with me this morning and offered to throw in new tires (it has snow tires on it, albeit brand new ones). They know I'm looking at the 2018 this week and it'd be interesting to see how aggressive they could get.
    Can see the CPA coming out. But, good approach. I would bet that KBB (and likely any online guide) is going to be iffy on fringe cars like this. Especially with a manual. So I would do the same thing with a couple other sources (Edmunds and Carvana maybe), then possibly average the 3?

    I also think that specialty performance cars like this are ultra sensitive to higher than normal miles. Which is especially important if you plan to actually drive it, and doubly so if not keeping it long!

    It also sounds like you haven’t come to terms with the manual trans issue yet. I would first decide if that was a real desire, or just a handy justification to look! Plus you can always add something cheaper with a stick if you just want a little toy for a while. Flip the leaf for something!

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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 41,444
    edited March 1
    pensfan83 said:

    I have yet to drive my buddy's new Tundra but he thinks once I do I'll want that instead of another Tacoma.

    There’s a new tundra in a family down the street from me. Some off road package trim. Not bad looking, but so bulky. This one IIRC has the short cab with clamshell doors. That helps the length, but not the girth.

    Edit: I goofed. They have a Titan, not a Tundra. I don’t actually like the looks of the new Tundra.

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 15,608
    @nyccarguy,
    You won't like the mileage the Tundra gets(or doesn't get).
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  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 14,708
    pensfan83 said:

    I have yet to drive my buddy's new Tundra but he thinks once I do I'll want that instead of another Tacoma.

    I haven't spent much seat time in either, and none in a new-gen Tundra, but a primary difference for me was a far more comfortable seating position in the Tundra. The floor of the Tacoma feels too close to the bottom seat cushion to me - it feels more like a sedan seating position. The Tundra has a proper upright seating position like a truck/van/large SUV should.
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  • au1994au1994 GAPosts: 2,008

    @nyccarguy,
    You won't like the mileage the Tundra gets(or doesn't get).

    No. Same engine I have in the Land Cruiser and it is pow er ful! But very thirsty. 401 ft. lbs of torque is addicting though.

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    2017 BMW X1 Jet Black over Mocha

  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 8,348
    The six speed auto does it no favors in the MPG department, especially now that (I think) all competitors offer more than that.
  • pensfan83pensfan83 PennsylvaniaPosts: 2,199
    xwesx said:

    pensfan83 said:

    I have yet to drive my buddy's new Tundra but he thinks once I do I'll want that instead of another Tacoma.

    I haven't spent much seat time in either, and none in a new-gen Tundra, but a primary difference for me was a far more comfortable seating position in the Tundra. The floor of the Tacoma feels too close to the bottom seat cushion to me - it feels more like a sedan seating position. The Tundra has a proper upright seating position like a truck/van/large SUV should.
    You aren't the first person I've seen mention the low seating position. For 2020 TRD and up trims got a much needed power drivers seat so I suspect that may help resolve that issue.
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  • breldbreld Posts: 5,704
    That 330ci on c&b sure got the money. I though it'd be a fun car for sub-$10k, but not $14k.

    https://carsandbids.com/auctions/KVaLBN0Q/2004-bmw-330ci-coupe

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  • pensfan83pensfan83 PennsylvaniaPosts: 2,199
    Seems like ZHP money to me.
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  • breldbreld Posts: 5,704
    pensfan83 said:

    Seems like ZHP money to me.

    Exactly what I was thinking.

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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 41,444
    Maybe. But seems super clean, known history ones are getting really hard to find. And they aren’t making new ones. So if you want one like this, and don’t want a restoration project, probably worth paying a bit more up front.

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 185,329
    Not sure that is financial analysis, as much as financial rationalization.

    But, I'm here for all of it. ;)

    Did you get a good deal? Be sure to come back and share!

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 15,608
    My last 2 V6's were rated at 460 and 470 ft/lbs of torque respectively.
    Now, I'm pretty much 4 bangers.
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  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 14,511
    edited March 1
    My preferred engine configurations are I4, I6, and V8- all longitudinally mounted. My Mini is the only exception, but it’s my work beater.

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Posts: 17,649
    stickguy said:

    that's my biggest problem with the full sized trucks. Not the length. It's the width, and the giant tall hoods. Who cares how long it stretches out behind you, as long as there is a camera to see backing up? Well, can be a bit of a hassle in a parking lot or garage I guess.

    I would like another truck the size of my old 1991 Nissan. Extended cab with the side fold jump seats. Good sized bed, and about 196" long (actually about 6" shorter than our odyssey was.) Plus the cab was not too big, nice low hood, and great visibility. Pretty narrow too, and easy to maneuver (other than backing up of course). It helps that I really don't need something with real back seat passenger room).

    or maybe one of these!

    https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a29792006/hyundai-santa-cruz-confirmed-2021/

    Looks like a Subaru Brat or a Dodge Rampage.

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Posts: 17,649
    breld said:

    That 330ci on c&b sure got the money. I though it'd be a fun car for sub-$10k, but not $14k.

    https://carsandbids.com/auctions/KVaLBN0Q/2004-bmw-330ci-coupe

    Somebody REALLY wanted that car. A 17 yo car with 93k miles?

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  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyPosts: 11,897

    My last 2 V6's were rated at 460 and 470 ft/lbs of torque respectively.
    Now, I'm pretty much 4 bangers.

    It’s funny how well the manufacturers are doing with turbos and superchargers. Ten years or so ago we wouldn’t have ever wanted a 3 row SUV with a 4 banger. Now they are common and plenty powerful enough. Our XC90 moves out quite well.

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 53,035
    Speaking of auction cars, here's one that slipped past without me noticing

    Some time ago, I noticed this car kind of hidden on a specialty classified site, asking price around 30K. Too much to blow on another toy, but I was smitten with it. Forgot about it, then went looking for it again, and I see it hit BaT and sold, at what I think was a more than reasonable price for a car of this substance. Well-bought, with only some slight cosmetic flaws. This color isn't my first choice, but it really works here. The grey market days must have been fun.
  • breldbreld Posts: 5,704
    kyfdx said:

    Not sure that is financial analysis, as much as financial rationalization.

    But, I'm here for all of it. ;)

    This is true, and I'm pretty darn good at it!

    Now, to be fair, that analysis got me OUT of the 2018 M2 I was close to buying this week.

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 14,620

    @nyccarguy,
    You won't like the mileage the Tundra gets(or doesn't get).

    That’s why I’m open to all makes and models of trucks. I will do a total lease cost and compare the different trucks and programs. I will take into consideration the fact that the Tundra has a 36 gallon gas tank and gets somewhere in the neighborhood of 14 - 15 mpg.

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  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 14,708
    edited March 1
    nyccarguy said:

    @nyccarguy,
    You won't like the mileage the Tundra gets(or doesn't get).

    That’s why I’m open to all makes and models of trucks. I will do a total lease cost and compare the different trucks and programs. I will take into consideration the fact that the Tundra has a 36 gallon gas tank and gets somewhere in the neighborhood of 14 - 15 mpg.
    That's highway numbers.... you'll be at 10 in local driving. :p
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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 41,444
    I mike have a stroke if I had to fill that if the low fuel light was on!

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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 41,444

    stickguy said:

    that's my biggest problem with the full sized trucks. Not the length. It's the width, and the giant tall hoods. Who cares how long it stretches out behind you, as long as there is a camera to see backing up? Well, can be a bit of a hassle in a parking lot or garage I guess.

    I would like another truck the size of my old 1991 Nissan. Extended cab with the side fold jump seats. Good sized bed, and about 196" long (actually about 6" shorter than our odyssey was.) Plus the cab was not too big, nice low hood, and great visibility. Pretty narrow too, and easy to maneuver (other than backing up of course). It helps that I really don't need something with real back seat passenger room).

    or maybe one of these!

    https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a29792006/hyundai-santa-cruz-confirmed-2021/

    Looks like a Subaru Brat or a Dodge Rampage.
    a modern Brat would be great for me. this is definitely a lot bigger than a rampage. that cab was just way too small.

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  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyPosts: 11,897
    My wife actually has to drive to a meeting so I filled the XC90 for her while I was out. 93 was $3.14. It certainly went up over the last few weeks.

    2020 Volvo XC90 T6 Momentum / 2019 Volvo S60 T6 Inscription

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