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au1994

28firefighter said:

Not too cheap, not too expensive, juuussst right.

I’ve always thought Acura hit the sweet spot of sportiness, luxury and value.

sda

I imagine the Integra will be a replacement for the ILX. I remember driving a blue Integra when they first came out in 86. It felt so light and precise. I really liked it and seriously considered buying it. When I did the numbers I wouldn't have money left for a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

tjc78

@au1994 said:
I’ve always thought Acura hit the sweet spot of sportiness, luxury and value.

Agreed. I have always liked their stuff but never pulled the trigger.

roadburner

@tjc78 said:

@au1994 said:
I’ve always thought Acura hit the sweet spot of sportiness, luxury and value.

Agreed. I have always liked their stuff but never pulled the trigger.

Acura offers great value for the money. I
like the looks of the TLX a lot, but it’s too big for my tastes- and whatever replaces the 2er needs to be RWD.

tjc78

@roadburner said:

@tjc78 said:

@au1994 said:
I’ve always thought Acura hit the sweet spot of sportiness, luxury and value.

Agreed. I have always liked their stuff but never pulled the trigger.

Acura offers great value for the money. I
like the looks of the TLX a lot, but it’s too big for my tastes- and whatever replaces the 2er needs to be RWD.

Yeah it’s too much of a grocery getter for you. I like the size. A little bigger than my S60 but smaller than a true full size sedan.

ab348

sda said:

I imagine the Integra will be a replacement for the ILX. I remember driving a blue Integra when they first came out in 86. It felt so light and precise. I really liked it and seriously considered buying it. When I did the numbers I wouldn't have money left for a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

I remember test-driving a new 1990 Integra coupe prior to buying my GTI. I didn't like it, mostly because the clutch was too light and had zero feel. I figured it must have been designed by the same engineer who did Chrysler's power steering in the '60s.

sda

ab348 said:

sda said:

I imagine the Integra will be a replacement for the ILX. I remember driving a blue Integra when they first came out in 86. It felt so light and precise. I really liked it and seriously considered buying it. When I did the numbers I wouldn't have money left for a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

I remember test-driving a new 1990 Integra coupe prior to buying my GTI. I didn't like it, mostly because the clutch was too light and had zero feel. I figured it must have been designed by the same engineer who did Chrysler's power steering in the '60s.

At the time I was driving this so definitely a different feel and caliber of car.

corvette

@tjc78 - my parents have had three Volvos. Reliability is better on the newer models, but not perfect. The dealer service department was consistently mediocre—it really would have improved the ownership experience if they had tried a little harder.

roadburner

@corvette said:
@tjc78 - my parents have had three Volvos. Reliability is better on the newer models, but not perfect. The dealer service department was consistently mediocre—it really would have improved the ownership experience if they had tried a little harder.

My wife had a 740 Turbo in the early ‘90s. I can tell you for a fact that customer satisfaction was never a priority for the service department. We ended up taking it to Beechmont Volvo in Cincinnati.

roadburner

@tjc78 said:

@roadburner said:

@tjc78 said:

@au1994 said:
I’ve always thought Acura hit the sweet spot of sportiness, luxury and value.

Agreed. I have always liked their stuff but never pulled the trigger.

Acura offers great value for the money. I
like the looks of the TLX a lot, but it’s too big for my tastes- and whatever replaces the 2er needs to be RWD.

Yeah it’s too much of a grocery getter for you. I like the size. A little bigger than my S60 but smaller than a true full size sedan.

It would probably end badly, but if I actually wanted an AWD sedan I’d likely pick up the leftover 2020 Giulia that my Alfa dealer has listed for $8,000 off of MSRP.

sda

Too bad the Alfa has such a poor reliability reputation and the service departments are not much better. They are really nice cars and look great.

breld

roadburner said:

My salesperson at BMW is looking into when the dealer ordering information for the G42 2er will become available as well a the SOP. I’m hoping that the RWD M240i will be available sooner than predicted- and that sunroof delete will still be available.

I spent some time yesterday taking closer look at the m240i. Since I'd be fine with xDrive and a sunroof, the debut model would be fine for me. That "thunder" color is pretty darn cool, but the Brooklyn Gray may be more "me."

I liked my 2014 228i quite a bit, so an update with all the current BMW features and tech would be welcome - basically my Supra but in a more mature style.

breld

Based on previous rumors, I think we all figured Acura would be coming out with a nice replacement for the ILX, but the return of the Integra name is awesome. I'm guessing drivetrains will mimic the Civic Si for the base model and the Type R for a Type S model. Or maybe they actually go for the harder-core Type R model for the Acura itself, but I think they'll stick with the more balanced approach, for now.

Very exciting.

roadburner

@breld said:
I spent some time yesterday taking closer look at the m240i. Since I'd be fine with xDrive and a sunroof, the debut model would be fine for me. That "thunder" color is pretty darn cool, but the Brooklyn Gray may be more "me."

I liked my 2014 228i quite a bit, so an update with all the current BMW features and tech would be welcome - basically my Supra but in a more mature style.

I’ll let you know when I get the dealer ordering info. My wife is urging me to order one and get exactly what I want. I’m definitely going with Thundernight; I’m also getting the Premium Package, Cooling and Higher Performance Tire Package, adaptive headlamps and H-K. No sunroof delete will be a deal killer.

roadburner

@sda said:
Too bad the Alfa has such a poor reliability reputation and the service departments are not much better. They are really nice cars and look great.

I’ve heard that the 2019 and up Giulias are fairly reliable. I’m not sure about my local dealer. I’m at the point that I don’t want any hassles with service, which makes sticking with BMW a safe bet.

nyccarguy

breld said:

Based on previous rumors, I think we all figured Acura would be coming out with a nice replacement for the ILX, but the return of the Integra name is awesome. I'm guessing drivetrains will mimic the Civic Si for the base model and the Type R for a Type S model. Or maybe they actually go for the harder-core Type R model for the Acura itself, but I think they'll stick with the more balanced approach, for now.

Very exciting.

There's going to be speculation about the new Integra until the second before the press reveal for sure. Acura has to keep the fun up and the price down:)

tjc78

I’m sure in the “hot” versions it will not be cheap.

benjaminh

From Motor Trend....

https://www.motortrend.com/news/acura-integra-returns-2022-preview/

"Actually, the decision to bring the Integra was made about six years ago, Ikeda confesses. He would not say what platform it uses, where it will be built, or much other detail. But it is expected to be electrified to some extent—that is the future of Acura. It will likely be a hybrid as opposed to a pure EV. And it will be fun to drive, which would be appropriate, given the Integra's historical DNA....

The new Integra should bring people into the brand, both new customers, and the nostalgic. "It will live up to the hype," Ikeda notes. The new Integra is not a replacement for the discontinued Acura ILX compact sedan, the brand chief says. But it is an addition to the existing lineup that does seem to fill the segment gap with a much more exciting entrant."

breld

Given the Civic Type R is close to $40k, the hot version of the Integra will easily be in the mid $40k's.

I imagine the base version will compete fine with the likes of the A3, 2-series GC and A-class variants at a nice price point, but it'll be interesting to see how a Type S version competes with the 4 cylinder sport sedans like the 330i.

sda

"for the discontinued Acura ILX compact sedan", That is the first I've learned the ILX has been discontinued though not a surprise. The local Acura dealer shows one ILX in transit. Wonder if they are still being produced or if the one in transit is one of the last produced.

benjaminh

Production on the new Integra is planned to start in early 2022, and so I think it would be a 2023 model.

Acura will probably produce a small number of 2022 ILX sedans during the last few months of this year. Sales of the ILX have actually held up pretty well because of its good price. The ILX can go 0-60 in about 6.6 seconds according to C & D, and right now I'm not thinking of other cars that start at $26,500 that can do that.

My guess is that the new Integra will start at around $30,000. With the Tech package, 2.0T engine, and SH-AWD it might be around 40k?

oldfarmer50

sda said:

ab348 said:

sda said:

I imagine the Integra will be a replacement for the ILX. I remember driving a blue Integra when they first came out in 86. It felt so light and precise. I really liked it and seriously considered buying it. When I did the numbers I wouldn't have money left for a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

I remember test-driving a new 1990 Integra coupe prior to buying my GTI. I didn't like it, mostly because the clutch was too light and had zero feel. I figured it must have been designed by the same engineer who did Chrysler's power steering in the '60s.

At the time I was driving this so definitely a different feel and caliber of car.

I had the 1980 version of that car. Liked it except it was rather cramped.

kyfdx

sda said:

"for the discontinued Acura ILX compact sedan", That is the first I've learned the ILX has been discontinued though not a surprise. The local Acura dealer shows one ILX in transit. Wonder if they are still being produced or if the one in transit is one of the last produced.

There is definitely a 2022 model ILX

sda

oldfarmer50 said:

sda said:

ab348 said:

sda said:

I imagine the Integra will be a replacement for the ILX. I remember driving a blue Integra when they first came out in 86. It felt so light and precise. I really liked it and seriously considered buying it. When I did the numbers I wouldn't have money left for a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

I remember test-driving a new 1990 Integra coupe prior to buying my GTI. I didn't like it, mostly because the clutch was too light and had zero feel. I figured it must have been designed by the same engineer who did Chrysler's power steering in the '60s.

At the time I was driving this so definitely a different feel and caliber of car.

I had the 1980 version of that car. Liked it except it was rather cramped.

It was a good car. 1984 Horizon SE, 2.2, 5sp, a/c, ps, pb.

explorerx4

Is there still time the change the color of your Jeep order?

au1994

explorerx4 said:

Is there still time the change the color of your Jeep order?

I think a Wrangler does big, bold colors better than just about anything but thats a bit much even for me.

I’m looking forward to my Granite Crystal Pearl but I would have absolutely done HellaYella, Mojito! or Hydro Blue. She Who Must Be Obeyed did not concur.

au1994

In the good news department, I finally got a build date of 9/1.

Better than a kick in the nether regions but sheesh…that will probably put me at 12 weeks by the time I take delivery

qbrozen

au1994 said:

In the good news department, I finally got a build date of 9/1.

Better than a kick in the nether regions but sheesh…that will probably put me at 12 weeks by the time I take delivery

yeah, we'll be keeping ours. i mean, unless I get a really good offer and can get her a decent deal on an XC60. So, in other words, we'll be keeping ours. haha.

andres3

mjfloyd1 said:

🤦‍♂️

You are talking about a two to four hour drive. I’m talking about a 1200 mile drive

Your getting there faster by speeding is not guaranteed either if you get pulled over for speeding or get in an accident…

Accident, no, you're more likely to have one if you don't speed (see Solomon Curve).

Pull over.... likely made up for by speeding over 200 miles; let alone 1200 miles. Most cops only take about 15-20 minutes of your life away at most these days only counting the pullover time, but I wouldn't know about that.

28firefighter

Some days, I wonder if I live on the same planet as some other people....

tjc78

@28firefighter said:
Some days, I wonder if I live on the same planet as some other people....

You said it “some” people.

explorerx4

Remember "Watch out for the other guy?" That's the "other guy".

28firefighter

Windshield is replaced. A very expensive way of finding I should have sprung the $95 for Gorilla Glass from the factory rather than doing it the second go around…

mjfloyd1

@andres3 said:
Accident, no, you're more likely to have one if you don't speed (see Solomon Curve).

Pull over.... likely made up for by speeding over 200 miles; let alone 1200 miles. Most cops only take about 15-20 minutes of your life away at most these days only counting the pullover time, but I wouldn't know about that.

… Solomon (1964) found that drivers who drove either significantly above or below the prevailing average traffic speed were more likely to have crashes than drivers who drove at speeds close to the average. However, most crash-involved slow drivers were turning at the time of the crash; and when turning vehicles were removed from the analysis only those driving at speeds significantly above the traffic speed remained over-invovled in crashes (Fildes and Lee, 1993)

fintail

If you like ADMs, we have the car for you.

tjc78 said:

I’m sure in the “hot” versions it will not be cheap.

nyccarguy

A/C update (for those that care): New air handler was installed today. Upon removing the old one, they noted it had a date code from 1986. The condenser was replaced sometime in the early to mid 2000s.

explorerx4

@nyccarguy,
Is it working? Would be a good time for that.

jmonroe1

@explorerx4 said:
@nyccarguy,
Is it working? Would be a good time for that.

I’m sure it’s working but is it moving the air better than the old one which means the house should be more comfortable.

Give him some time to report back in here. If the system is better than before he’s probably smiling ear to ear basking in comfort and doesn’t have time for us. We’re the last folks on his mind right now.

jmonroe

sda

28firefighter said:

Windshield is replaced. A very expensive way of finding I should have sprung the $95 for Gorilla Glass from the factory rather than doing it the second go around…

That windshield should be standard equipment and not an upgrade.

explorerx4

@jmonroe1,
I hope he and his family are enjoying their new better AC system.
Temps here the last few days have been in the upper 90's.

You are a home improvement guy.
One of my kids is getting their kitchen remodeled plus floors refinished.
Asked for a video tour of the kitchen.
I said, Is that the same dishwasher? 'Yes".
Does the door still make the same squeaking noise when you open and close it? "Yes".
My son in law has tried to fix it multiple times.
Me, buy a new one and put in on a credit card so I can pay the bill.
It makes no sense to get a new kitchen but keep the worst thing about it.

nyccarguy

@explorerx4 said:
@nyccarguy,
Is it working? Would be a good time for that.

Only the new air handler was installed today. Tomorrow they will install the Condenser. Our last night of this.

explorerx4

@nyccarguy,
Builds character! Yeah, ok.

stickguy

Integra should be fun. I bet they replace the ILX more directly with a baby CUV to sit below the RDX. like an X2.

jmonroe1

@explorerx4 said:
@jmonroe1,
I hope he and his family are enjoying their new better AC system.
Temps here the last few days have been in the upper 90's.

You are a home improvement guy.
One of my kids is getting their kitchen remodeled plus floors refinished.
Asked for a video tour of the kitchen.
I said, Is that the same dishwasher? 'Yes".
Does the door still make the same squeaking noise when you open and close it? "Yes".
My son in law has tried to fix it multiple times.
Me, buy a new one and put in on a credit card so I can pay the bill.
It makes no sense to get a new kitchen but keep the worst thing about it.

If it’s still working and isn’t banged up it is probably better that what can be bought today.

A little bit of lube in the right place and it’s good for another thousand loads.

jmonroe

mjfloyd1

@stickguy said:
Integra should be fun. I bet they replace the ILX more directly with a baby CUV to sit below the RDX. like an X2.

Maybe call the new CUV the Acura ILX2

explorerx4

@jmonroe1,
My son in law is a pretty handy guy, but hasn't been able to fix the dishwasher door squeak after several attempts over a couple of years.
When we are there, I usually take care of the dishes after a meal.
I personally hate that D"mn thing, so I'll be happy not have to listen to that squeak ever again.

andres3

mjfloyd1 said:

@andres3 said:

Accident, no, you're more likely to have one if you don't speed (see Solomon Curve).

Pull over.... likely made up for by speeding over 200 miles; let alone 1200 miles. Most cops only take about 15-20 minutes of your life away at most these days only counting the pullover time, but I wouldn't know about that.

… Solomon (1964) found that drivers who drove either significantly above or below the prevailing average traffic speed were more likely to have crashes than drivers who drove at speeds close to the average. However, most crash-involved slow drivers were turning at the time of the crash; and when turning vehicles were removed from the analysis only those driving at speeds significantly above the traffic speed remained over-invovled in crashes (Fildes and Lee, 1993)

"Notwithstanding the many studies over the years, in testimony before the Ohio Senate Highways and Transportation Committee on June 10, 2003, Julie Cirillo, Former Assistant Administrator and Chief Safety Officer for the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA), testified that "up to the present time there has been no evidence to alter Solomon’s original finding that variance from the mean operating speed is a major contributor to accidents"

Seems to me it would serve you to read all the research and know when to throw out the "Australian" junk and propaganda like Julie Cirillo did.

benjaminh

stickguy said:

Integra should be fun. I bet they replace the ILX more directly with a baby CUV to sit below the RDX. like an X2.

Yes, an all-electric Acura CUV is expected for model year 2024. It's being jointly developed with GM.

tjc78

@explorerx4 said:
@jmonroe1,
I hope he and his family are enjoying their new better AC system.
Temps here the last few days have been in the upper 90's.

You are a home improvement guy.
One of my kids is getting their kitchen remodeled plus floors refinished.
Asked for a video tour of the kitchen.
I said, Is that the same dishwasher? 'Yes".
Does the door still make the same squeaking noise when you open and close it? "Yes".
My son in law has tried to fix it multiple times.
Me, buy a new one and put in on a credit card so I can pay the bill.
It makes no sense to get a new kitchen but keep the worst thing about it.

That was very nice!

tjc78

@nyccarguy said:

@explorerx4 said:
@nyccarguy,
Is it working? Would be a good time for that.

Only the new air handler was installed today. Tomorrow they will install the Condenser. Our last night of this.

I’m sure you and your family can’t wait!