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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 45,646

    “ Heading to the finger lakes tomorrow ”

    Be sure to swing over to Keuka lake and stop at Bully Hill Winery. I hear they have a nice restaurant there now and the view is nice.


    “ Heading to the finger lakes tomorrow ”

    Be sure to swing over to Keuka lake and stop at Bully Hill Winery. I hear they have a nice restaurant there now and the view is nice.


    “ Heading to the finger lakes tomorrow ”

    Be sure to swing over to Keuka lake and stop at Bully Hill Winery. I hear they have a nice restaurant there now and the view is nice.


    Been there before. Including 25 years ago when it was a small place. And still a hippy operation.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD , 2022 Ford Maverick Lariat Ecoboost FWD.

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 45,646
    Sandy, I grew up just west of the TZ bridge. And felt the same about the wilderness on the ast side of the Hudson!

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD , 2022 Ford Maverick Lariat Ecoboost FWD.

  • andres3andres3 Southern CAMember Posts: 13,087
    xwesx said:

    benjaminh said:

    Glad I got my Michelins almost the first day of the Costco sale. Shortly after I got my set of CrossClimate2 tires they went out of stock in my size, and it's not clear if they are going to get them back in stock before the sale ends. Costco still has the Michelin Defender T + H in stock, which is no doubt still a good tire, but I don't think it's on the same level as the CC.


    Those tires definitely piqued my interest, just given their rather non-traditional design if nothing else. How do you like them so far? Any good weather (rain, etc) to test them in yet?
    Costco's customer service is such that you get the deal if you put in the order during the stated time period; it doesn't matter if they don't ship/install yet; all that matters is when you put in the order.
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  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 204,715
    When we start quoting MTBF metrics, that’s not a good sign.

    Harkens back to the days where everyone had a Stelvio.

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  • andres3andres3 Southern CAMember Posts: 13,087
    A Zero Vision zealot cited this article about how COVID proves "speed kills" opb.org/article/2021/08/08/pandemic-set-off-deadly-rise-in-speeding-that-hasn-t-stopped/

    I'm really proud of my retort:

    Quoting from your cited source link (a little English comprehension and critical reading skills needed here) "Traffic data indicates the higher death toll was related to higher average speeds in conjunction with more of those on the roads driving under the influence of drugs and alcohol and a slight decline in seatbelt use."

    To clarify, the higher deaths are attributed to higher average speeds (with no evidence those are "speeders"), and from the few drivers there are out there, being drunk and being idiots without seat belts on!

    Higher average speeds do not equal more speeders necessarily. It could mean that rush hour in LA moves along at 25 MPH instead of 1-5 MPH as was typical. It could mean rush hour in SF or Sacramento or San Diego moves along at the speed limit (on average) rather than 30 - 40 in heavy traffic periods prior to COVID.

    It could mean there are more 100+ speed demons bringing up the average, but 99% are driving exactly the same, and furthermore, the 1% that are speed demons may or may not be responsible for the uptick in collisions deaths, but we don't really know without isolating some variables.

    What we do know is that drunks and non seat belt wearers cause a lot of fatalities prior to COVID, during COVID, and will for certain continue to do so after COVID. And we do know your article blatantly and explicitly states drunks and lack of seat belt use are to blame for the increases.

    ____________

    So good it only got a thumbs down from the citer of the article, and no response.
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  • Sandman6472Sandman6472 Coral Springs, FLMember Posts: 6,236
    Breld, which Tesla are you guys getting? Is it the smallest one? If I did get one, that's the one I'd go for due to my size constraint.

    2015 Audi A3 (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2)

  • Sandman6472Sandman6472 Coral Springs, FLMember Posts: 6,236
    Looks like we're staying in South Florida for the time being. Our pharmacist daughter wants to transfer, but just to Boca Raton, the next town to our north. Guess she's passed on Orlando and has put in for a transfer. Said it would take about 6 months, so, guess we're going to stay. Now we must decide what to do next? Do we re-face the kitchen cabinets and install new counter tops? Probably need to finish the master bath and some of the flooring needs attention. And the driveway needs to be updated. Lots to do but will move slowly as not sure I'll get the go ahead like the guest bath to just "do it" and then get it done. The new stove has been put on hold until we sit down and figure things out here.
    Interesting how life changes due to others and their plans! Guess I haven't really processed it all yet but I'm not as unhappy as I thought I'd be!

    2015 Audi A3 (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2)

  • mlevinemlevine Member Posts: 519
    Next Lease
    Timing not good, but going to return lease. Looking at Volvo XC60 AWD and Atlas Cross Sport 3.6L SE with technology and 4 motion. Both vehicles at same dealership. Any thoughts about either vehicle appreciated.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 45,646
    Both nice, not cheap.

    So get whichever one you would rather drive for 3 years.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD , 2022 Ford Maverick Lariat Ecoboost FWD.

  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 206,800
    mlevine said:

    Next Lease
    Timing not good, but going to return lease. Looking at Volvo XC60 AWD and Atlas Cross Sport 3.6L SE with technology and 4 motion. Both vehicles at same dealership. Any thoughts about either vehicle appreciated.

    How much room do you need? The Atlas seems like a larger vehicle, to me.

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  • au1994au1994 GAMember Posts: 2,778
    mlevine said:

    Next Lease
    Timing not good, but going to return lease. Looking at Volvo XC60 AWD and Atlas Cross Sport 3.6L SE with technology and 4 motion. Both vehicles at same dealership. Any thoughts about either vehicle appreciated.

    A couple of people have been able to extend by 6 months. No guarantees of course but the market/inventory might be better by then.

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  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Member Posts: 2,391
    edited September 2021

    @andres3 said:
    A Zero Vision zealot cited this article about how COVID proves "speed kills" opb.org/article/2021/08/08/pandemic-set-off-deadly-rise-in-speeding-that-hasn-t-stopped/

    I'm really proud of my retort:

    Quoting from your cited source link (a little English comprehension and critical reading skills needed here) "Traffic data indicates the higher death toll was related to higher average speeds in conjunction with more of those on the roads driving under the influence of drugs and alcohol and a slight decline in seatbelt use."

    To clarify, the higher deaths are attributed to higher average speeds (with no evidence those are "speeders"), and from the few drivers there are out there, being drunk and being idiots without seat belts on!

    Higher average speeds do not equal more speeders necessarily. It could mean that rush hour in LA moves along at 25 MPH instead of 1-5 MPH as was typical. It could mean rush hour in SF or Sacramento or San Diego moves along at the speed limit (on average) rather than 30 - 40 in heavy traffic periods prior to COVID.

    It could mean there are more 100+ speed demons bringing up the average, but 99% are driving exactly the same, and furthermore, the 1% that are speed demons may or may not be responsible for the uptick in collisions deaths, but we don't really know without isolating some variables.

    What we do know is that drunks and non seat belt wearers cause a lot of fatalities prior to COVID, during COVID, and will for certain continue to do so after COVID. And we do know your article blatantly and explicitly states drunks and lack of seat belt use are to blame for the increases.


    So good it only got a thumbs down from the citer of the article, and no response.

    I thought the Solomon curve showed that going more than 8 mph over the average speed leads to more crashes??? Is there new research???

  • breldbreld Member Posts: 6,149

    Breld, which Tesla are you guys getting? Is it the smallest one? If I did get one, that's the one I'd go for due to my size constraint.

    @Sandman6472 - we got the Model Y (the small SUV). I pulled it into our "main" garage to charge it last night, and was surprised at how close in size it appears as compared to the Polestar. Tesla makes very efficient use of its interior space, so they feel very spacious while not taking up as much room as you may think.

    2021 Polestar 2 - 2022 M340i - 2022 X5 - 2021 Bronco - 2004 330i ZHP

  • tifightertifighter WAMember Posts: 3,098
    breld said:

    Breld, which Tesla are you guys getting? Is it the smallest one? If I did get one, that's the one I'd go for due to my size constraint.

    @Sandman6472 - we got the Model Y (the small SUV). I pulled it into our "main" garage to charge it last night, and was surprised at how close in size it appears as compared to the Polestar. Tesla makes very efficient use of its interior space, so they feel very spacious while not taking up as much room as you may think.
    I agree. The Y occupies the same footprint as the 3, but feels nearly as roomy as our X inside.

    21 Tesla 3 Perf / 21 Tesla Y LR / 11 BMW Z4 6MT / 03 Montero Ltd

  • breldbreld Member Posts: 6,149
    @stickguy - congrats on your order for the Maverick! I can't get over how affordable the truck is...not to mention you got a reasonable discount as well. For kicks, I just went and built one up on Ford's website, and it seems like ticking pretty much all boxes, you're still at around $36k. It's refreshing.

    2021 Polestar 2 - 2022 M340i - 2022 X5 - 2021 Bronco - 2004 330i ZHP

  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAMember Posts: 8,581

    @tifighter said:
    I agree. The Y occupies the same footprint as the 3, but feels nearly as roomy as our X inside.

    Just like the Jeep. Hahahahhaha not.

    2021 Tesla Model 3 SR+, 2008 Infiniti G35
  • sdasda Indian Land, SCMember Posts: 5,594
    tifighter said:

    breld said:

    Breld, which Tesla are you guys getting? Is it the smallest one? If I did get one, that's the one I'd go for due to my size constraint.

    @Sandman6472 - we got the Model Y (the small SUV). I pulled it into our "main" garage to charge it last night, and was surprised at how close in size it appears as compared to the Polestar. Tesla makes very efficient use of its interior space, so they feel very spacious while not taking up as much room as you may think.
    I agree. The Y occupies the same footprint as the 3, but feels nearly as roomy as our X inside.
    You know the drill, pics please.

    2018 VW Passat SE w/tech, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech, 2006 Acura TL w/nav

  • carnaughtcarnaught Desert SWMember Posts: 3,308
    edited September 2021
    breld said:

    @stickguy - congrats on your order for the Maverick! I can't get over how affordable the truck is...not to mention you got a reasonable discount as well. For kicks, I just went and built one up on Ford's website, and it seems like ticking pretty much all boxes, you're still at around $36k. It's refreshing.


    (start Jaws music)…..@breld, so which one is next to get the ax?

  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 204,715
    carnaught said:

    breld said:

    @stickguy - congrats on your order for the Maverick! I can't get over how affordable the truck is...not to mention you got a reasonable discount as well. For kicks, I just went and built one up on Ford's website, and it seems like ticking pretty much all boxes, you're still at around $36k. It's refreshing.


    (start Jaws music)…..@breld, so which one is next to get the ax?

    There's always a plan, with him .... I've been texting with him this morning on plans for the next 6-12 months.

    Denver Auto Show is next week - at an outdoor facility. @breld, @jpp75 and I are already making plans to go.

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  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAMember Posts: 8,581

    You mean next 6-12 days?

    2021 Tesla Model 3 SR+, 2008 Infiniti G35
  • jmonroe1jmonroe1 Pittsburgh areaMember Posts: 4,474

    You mean next 6-12 days?

    Yeah, that’s more like it.

    jmonroe
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  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Member Posts: 2,391

    @breld embraces change

  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAMember Posts: 8,581
    I really kid - I think if I had an enabling wife and the funds to do it (read, NOT spending a car equivalent in child care every year) I'd be changing cars just as frequently.
    2021 Tesla Model 3 SR+, 2008 Infiniti G35
  • andres3andres3 Southern CAMember Posts: 13,087
    edited September 2021
    mjfloyd1 said:

    @andres3 said:

    A Zero Vision zealot cited this article about how COVID proves "speed kills" opb.org/article/2021/08/08/pandemic-set-off-deadly-rise-in-speeding-that-hasn-t-stopped/

    I'm really proud of my retort:

    Quoting from your cited source link (a little English comprehension and critical reading skills needed here) "Traffic data indicates the higher death toll was related to higher average speeds in conjunction with more of those on the roads driving under the influence of drugs and alcohol and a slight decline in seatbelt use."

    To clarify, the higher deaths are attributed to higher average speeds (with no evidence those are "speeders"), and from the few drivers there are out there, being drunk and being idiots without seat belts on!

    Higher average speeds do not equal more speeders necessarily. It could mean that rush hour in LA moves along at 25 MPH instead of 1-5 MPH as was typical. It could mean rush hour in SF or Sacramento or San Diego moves along at the speed limit (on average) rather than 30 - 40 in heavy traffic periods prior to COVID.

    It could mean there are more 100+ speed demons bringing up the average, but 99% are driving exactly the same, and furthermore, the 1% that are speed demons may or may not be responsible for the uptick in collisions deaths, but we don't really know without isolating some variables.

    What we do know is that drunks and non seat belt wearers cause a lot of fatalities prior to COVID, during COVID, and will for certain continue to do so after COVID. And we do know your article blatantly and explicitly states drunks and lack of seat belt use are to blame for the increases.



    So good it only got a thumbs down from the citer of the article, and no response.

    I thought the Solomon curve showed that going more than 8 mph over the average speed leads to more crashes??? Is there new research???


    Where do you get that people are going more than 8 MPH over the average prevailing speed?

    I think you are confusing relative speed differentials from the current/live average, with comparisons of average speed from different eras/eons/time periods/ages in history.

    The Solomon Curve doesn't care how my Grandpa drove the same freeways 50 years ago as compared to what I drive them today.
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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTMember Posts: 15,298

    So now we have 2 members with 2 electric car’s in their garage?

    @mjfloyd1 - congrats on your 2nd 4Xe punch! @corvette - how are we doing for the year?

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Unlimited 4Xe

  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Member Posts: 2,391

    @andres3 said:
    Where do you get that people are going more than 8 MPH over the average prevailing speed?

    I think you are confusing relative speed differentials from the current/live average, with comparisons of average speed from different eras/eons/time periods/ages in history.

    The Solomon Curve doesn't care how my Grandpa drove the same freeways 50 years ago as compared to what I drive them today.

    OK so the Solomon curve is no longer relevant because it is old data🤦‍♂️

  • au1994au1994 GAMember Posts: 2,778
    8…impressive work

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  • au1994au1994 GAMember Posts: 2,778

    In case there was any question as to whether my son is mine, this is the collage he made today…

    Only one BMWCCA catalog was harmed in the making of this collage.

    This kid is going places. Guaranteed.

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  • sdasda Indian Land, SCMember Posts: 5,594
    breld said:

    sda said:

    tifighter said:

    breld said:

    Breld, which Tesla are you guys getting? Is it the smallest one? If I did get one, that's the one I'd go for due to my size constraint.

    @Sandman6472 - we got the Model Y (the small SUV). I pulled it into our "main" garage to charge it last night, and was surprised at how close in size it appears as compared to the Polestar. Tesla makes very efficient use of its interior space, so they feel very spacious while not taking up as much room as you may think.
    I agree. The Y occupies the same footprint as the 3, but feels nearly as roomy as our X inside.
    You know the drill, pics please.
    Not sure if you were asking me for pics, but here is the plainest Model Y ever...no-charge white with no- charge black interior and no-charge base wheels.



    Yes, I tagged the wrong post. Always fun to see what new toy you have in the driveway.

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  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Member Posts: 2,391

    My 4xe’s were both purchases not leases

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 30,893

    @breld said:
    Not sure if you were asking me for pics, but here is the plainest Model Y ever...no-charge white with no- charge black interior and no-charge base wheels.

    So now that they are together, I’m guessing you are already thinking “why do we have two of the same car? That’s silly. We need to swap one out.”

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  • corvettecorvette United StatesMember Posts: 9,066
    mjfloyd1 said:

    My 4xe’s were both purchases not leases

    Corrected. I'm also thinking I probably missed a punch or two.
  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 204,715
    qbrozen said:

    @breld said:

    Not sure if you were asking me for pics, but here is the plainest Model Y ever...no-charge white with no- charge black interior and no-charge base wheels.

    So now that they are together, I’m guessing you are already thinking “why do we have two of the same car? That’s silly. We need to swap one out.”


    Did you miss the memo? That’s the plan, when the allroad for Mrs. @breld shows up.

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  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Member Posts: 2,391

    @qbrozen said:

    @breld said:
    Not sure if you were asking me for pics, but here is the plainest Model Y ever...no-charge white with no- charge black interior and no-charge base wheels.

    So now that they are together, I’m guessing you are already thinking “why do we have two of the same car? That’s silly. We need to swap one out.”

    Somebody has to keep the economy going :)

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 30,893

    @Michaell said:
    Did you miss the memo? That’s the plan, when the allroad for Mrs. @breld shows up.

    But that is SO FAR from now!

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  • tifightertifighter WAMember Posts: 3,098
    You gotta love craigslist. I got an email saying, roughly, "Can I have the VIN to check insurance?" No other questions, no asking when they can see it, etc.

    21 Tesla 3 Perf / 21 Tesla Y LR / 11 BMW Z4 6MT / 03 Montero Ltd

  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAMember Posts: 8,581
    tifighter said:

    You gotta love craigslist. I got an email saying, roughly, "Can I have the VIN to check insurance?" No other questions, no asking when they can see it, etc.

    "If you have to ask, you probably cannot afford it."
    2021 Tesla Model 3 SR+, 2008 Infiniti G35
  • breldbreld Member Posts: 6,149

    @stickguy said:
    Breld, how do you charge the Tesla? Same charger you have for the polestar, with an adapter plug? Or just visit supercharger? Or just sell it first time it needs juice?

    Adapter plug for now. I’m looking into getting another charger installed in the 3rd bay garage so we have options.

    2021 Polestar 2 - 2022 M340i - 2022 X5 - 2021 Bronco - 2004 330i ZHP

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,040
    edited September 2021
    It's interesting that in an industry that's gone toward turbo (and even electric), Toyota is staying with naturally aspirated engines. Toyota's latest generation of ice motors are their Dynamic Force engines. Toyota's 2.5 engine for the Camry has both port and direct injection, and so my guess is that it might last twice as long as Honda's direct-injected turbo engines. Turbos just don't last as long. Maybe the new generations will be better, but I haven't yet seen a video of a turbo vehicle on youtube that's gone beyond 250k in the real world without major repairs. Maybe Honda's turbo engines will go to 200k or so, but Toyota's dual injected engines might have a shot at lasting twice as long. It's possible manufacturing costs are lower too, although by adding dual injection that would add to costs, and so I think it's more about durability. The port injection, of course, will prevent gunk from building up in the intake valves. I admire Toyota for going for maximum longevity for their engines, although the reality is that you'd need to drive something like 20k+ miles each year, and keep a car more than ten years, to really take advantage of that.

    Overall, the Accord with the 1.5T gets 1 more mpg in the epa combined cycle than the Camry 2.5, but that doesn't seem like much. But the Accord's 0-60 time at 7.2 is a bit faster than the Camry's at 7.5. Engineering is often about trade offs, and Honda has gone for a slightly faster and more economical car, but seemingly has traded away long-term durability.

    Ford has also moved to dual injection for some of its larger Ecoboost engines, which I think is also about making them last a really long time. Even if you need to replace the turbo on a dual injected Ecoboost at some point, the rest of the engine should be fine and shouldn't have any carbon build-up.

    Below is a 5-minute video from Engineering Explained about Toyota's dynamic force engines.

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 206,800
    I don't think I've ever seen a Model Y on the road.

    I'm pretty sure @pensfan83 has a recent punch, but he hasn't been on, in a while.

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