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  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Member Posts: 2,391
    edited October 2021

    @Sandman6472 said:

    "L2"? Not sure what that means to be honest. But am sure there must be a Wawa or other place near that has free charging.

    L2= level 2 (240 volt) charger with higher amperage

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 19,926
    benjaminh said:

    Getting access to the spare tire in the Maverick. The spare for our 1986 Mazda B2000 was in the same place, and getting it out was a similar process.

    Wasn’t the Mazda a rebadged Ranger? You would expect a similar design.

    I’m not sure who came up with that spare placement on trucks. The first time I needed to use the spare on my 86’ Toyota truck it was so rusted they had to cut it out with a torch.

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2004 Chevy Van, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,040
    fintail said:

    Now that I have a house with a ~600 sq ft car hole, I wonder if I will be tempted to get on the EV bandwagon.

    Got an offer from Carvana on the wagon last night, just for kicks - just a fancy dinner shy of 58K. Residual is 45K.

    Does this mean you could make a 12k gain by trading it into Carvana? Might be a good move.

    Although it's still challenging to make an economic case for getting a Tesla if you have a Toyota, Honda, or even an Acura, coming from a MB I imagine you'd do quite well.
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2018 Honda CR-V EX AWD (wife's)
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,040

    Wasn’t the Mazda a rebadged Ranger? You would expect a similar design....

    The B2000 of the 1980s was a Mazda design.

    Sometime in the 1990s it became a restyled Ford Ranger iirc.
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2018 Honda CR-V EX AWD (wife's)
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 45,646
    The Courier was a rebadged Mazda, so it started going that direction. B series stayed a Mazda design until 1994, then thanks to the infamous chicken tax, they started selling rebadged Rangers instead.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD , 2022 Ford Maverick Lariat Ecoboost FWD.

  • tifightertifighter WAMember Posts: 3,098
    edited October 2021

    My wife tonight: “I’m never driving a gas car again.”

    …that didn’t take long.

    This sounds familiar. Does she know my wife?

    21 Tesla 3 Perf / 21 Tesla Y LR / 11 BMW Z4 6MT / 03 Montero Ltd

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 45,646
    I don't see my wife doing that. She probably wouldn't like the radically different tech experience. And the only other thing it offers is never having to pump gas, which she never does anyway.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD , 2022 Ford Maverick Lariat Ecoboost FWD.

  • Sandman6472Sandman6472 Coral Springs, FLMember Posts: 6,236
    Ditto here though she occasionally does pump gas. Think the driving experience might be problomatic as once one takes their foot off the accelerator, that "falling like a rock" sensation can be troubling for some. No one alerted me about it the first time I drove an EV and in that split second, just did what felt natural and feathered the accelerator, and it seemed to work. Fear is something that makes one do things without thinking as it just made sense to me at the time.
    No, doubt she'll want one, much less drive one, but I'd be game once they come out with one that has at least a 300 mile range and with a price around $26K to $28K. Make it reliable with some fun factor and I'm in. But until then, I'll just keep what I've got.

    2015 Audi A3 (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2)

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 45,646
    got to consult this week on tires for my son. His S4 came with summer performance tires, and since he lives up near Old Farmer (where they had snow last year on Halloween) that was not going to work. So after some browsing on Tirerack, he has a mounted set on the way. Nice looking alloys in the stock 18" size (didn't save any money dropping to 17" so he didn't bother), with a set of Vredestein snows. Should be more than fine with the Quattro. The 2 winters before that he just used the all season tires on his G70 without an issue.

    offset some of the cost by selling the set he had left over from his A3. And in a couple of years if the S4 goes back, he can always sell the new set if he doesn't get something to replace it that they will fit.

    good chance that they pay for themselves largely by getting the summers to last the lease so he won't have to replace the tires to turn the car back in.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD , 2022 Ford Maverick Lariat Ecoboost FWD.

  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 15,757

    My wife tonight: “I’m never driving a gas car again.”

    …that didn’t take long.

    Funny thing; my wife said she'd get another i3 in a heartbeat- if it had a gas engine.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2014 M235i; 2009 Cooper Clubman; 1999 Wrangler; 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2018 330i xDrive

  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAMember Posts: 8,581

    Imagine shaving 2.5 seconds off the 0-60 of an i3. Might change her tune.

    2021 Tesla Model 3 SR+, 2008 Infiniti G35
  • corvettecorvette United StatesMember Posts: 9,066

    Imagine shaving 2.5 seconds off the 0-60 of an i3. Might change her tune.

    LS swap.
  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAMember Posts: 8,581

    @corvette said:
    LS swap.

    Sounds like something for rich rebuilds.

    2021 Tesla Model 3 SR+, 2008 Infiniti G35
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 45,646

    I’m loving his LS Tesla. Insane amount of work to basically create a Chevy SS

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD , 2022 Ford Maverick Lariat Ecoboost FWD.

  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaMember Posts: 15,764
    edited October 2021
    qbrozen said:

    @xwesx so what is in the trailer and what do you normally pull it with?

    Oh, it has a bunch of furniture that I brought up from Oregon last month. My wife wants us to finish the room into which we are supposed to be unloading it, so we're working on it, but that space is still pretty raw. I used the Q7 to pull it home.

    I unloaded a few things from it, like the two sets of mounted Subaru tires and a few totes of tools that I took down south with me back in July, but most of the bulk (and weight) is in the oak furniture (and all that stuff remains in the trailer for now).

    Below is the day before our departure from the Salem (OR) area (Crosstrek in the background):


    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTMember Posts: 17,328
    I wonder if the trans in the Forrester us up to pulling that trailer for long.
    2020 Ford Explorer XLT
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaMember Posts: 15,764
    edited October 2021

    I wonder if the trans in the Forrester us up to pulling that trailer for long.

    Well, it has the manual transmission, so I'm sure that will help with the accumulation of heat. However, I don't have any intention of pulling that trailer any real distance with the Forester unless it was empty (or nearly so). I suppose I could haul ATVs with it or similar; that definitely wouldn't be an issue. The car is rated for 3,500#, and the trailer, empty, is only 2,200#, so there's some space before I'm even threatening to overload it in terms of drag.

    My son said last night, "we should put a brake controller on the Forester next summer during your maintenance weekend. That would solve any concerns I have with hauling the new trailer." Haha; that kid is good at spending my money!
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 54,842
    I am not sure how all situations would work out with tax (9-10% here depending on county), but it appears I would be thousands ahead no matter what.

    Problem is, what to do about it. I am not a huge fan of Tesla design language or its dear leader, although maybe I would be more informed to sample a recent offering. I would need my own charging setup, as there's not a ton of convenient charging infrastructure where I live. 45K or so is roughly the max I want to spend right now, with the house tugging at my wallet. The wagon is an immaculate lowish mileage rare car, which might support just buying it out and enjoying it.
    benjaminh said:

    fintail said:

    Now that I have a house with a ~600 sq ft car hole, I wonder if I will be tempted to get on the EV bandwagon.

    Got an offer from Carvana on the wagon last night, just for kicks - just a fancy dinner shy of 58K. Residual is 45K.

    Does this mean you could make a 12k gain by trading it into Carvana? Might be a good move.

    Although it's still challenging to make an economic case for getting a Tesla if you have a Toyota, Honda, or even an Acura, coming from a MB I imagine you'd do quite well.
  • tifightertifighter WAMember Posts: 3,098

    Imagine shaving 2.5 seconds off the 0-60 of an i3. Might change her tune.

    I was going to say...not visiting gas stations wasn't the only reason my wife said she wouldn't go back.

    21 Tesla 3 Perf / 21 Tesla Y LR / 11 BMW Z4 6MT / 03 Montero Ltd

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,040
    edited October 2021
    A Mercedes Benz station wagon would definitely be one of my dream cars. And did you special order this one exactly as you like it? Seems like at the residual price it's a great deal.

    Like most high-powered executives Musk has his flaws, but as we know he has really helped make the electric car a viable alternative. Along with the great performance Teslas have impressive savings compared to gas on a ten year time horizon. I kinda like the minimalist design of Teslas, but luxury cars do have lots of extra touches that are also nice.

    Anyway, the dream of the $35k Model 3 has seemingly vanished for the time being. Back in 2019 it was briefly available, but looking today the lowest cost Model 3 is now slightly more than $45k with destination, and wouldn't be delivered apparently until July of 2022. If someone orders the 60k performance model it might be available as soon as November of this year.
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2018 Honda CR-V EX AWD (wife's)
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 45,646
    you probably have to buy it out anyway. so whether you trade it immediately or hold a while, probably won't matter. At least in my state, you don't get a sales tax credit for trading in a lease (I would if I owned it).

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD , 2022 Ford Maverick Lariat Ecoboost FWD.

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTMember Posts: 17,328
    @tifighter,
    You pay the electric bill? :p
    2020 Ford Explorer XLT
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 54,842
    Not sure I can do better in the market right now than this deal, and it's a car I like. Not a special order, but maybe close to how I would have built it (some options I want are pretty obscure and something to my special order spec probably doesn't exist).

    But an EV has more realistic appeal now that I could charge it at home. With so many slated new entrants in the coming years, even from legacy makers, it could happen. It might even pair with advancements in tech - more range etc.
    benjaminh said:

    A Mercedes Benz station wagon would definitely be one of my dream cars. And did you special order this one exactly as you like it? Seems like at the residual price it's a great deal.

    Like most high-powered executives Musk has his flaws, but as we know he has really helped make the electric car a viable alternative. Along with the great performance Teslas have impressive savings compared to gas on a ten year time horizon. I kinda like the minimalist design of Teslas, but luxury cars do have lots of extra touches that are also nice.

    Anyway, the dream of the $35k Model 3 has seemingly vanished for the time being. Back in 2019 it was briefly available, but looking today the lowest cost Model 3 is now slightly more than $45k with destination, and wouldn't be delivered apparently until July of 2022. If someone orders the 60k performance model it might be available as soon as November of this year.

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 45,646
    not unexpected, but just got another build date reschedule from Ford. 1st date was 10/25, a few weeks ago they pushed that to 11/1, and today bumped it back again to 11/8. Why they do it a week at a time is a mystery. Not really expecting they meet that date either.

    I should have just bought one of the few used cars I saw to have while waiting out the supply crisis!

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD , 2022 Ford Maverick Lariat Ecoboost FWD.

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 54,842
    Yeah I don't know how it would work here, I assume I would have to buy it too = tax. Worst case, I end up with a bit of positive equity in a used car, not something that happened a lot in prior times.

    Oh yeah that reminds me, heading for time to have the snow wheels/tires switched on, maybe another incentive to keep it.
    stickguy said:

    you probably have to buy it out anyway. so whether you trade it immediately or hold a while, probably won't matter. At least in my state, you don't get a sales tax credit for trading in a lease (I would if I owned it).

  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAMember Posts: 8,581

    Yours is a bit cheaper than mine (10.6 cents per kwH). To charge the Model 3 will cost us $5.80 and we expect that to be about a week of driving. So, on average, $23 a month plus or minus.

    2021 Tesla Model 3 SR+, 2008 Infiniti G35
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTMember Posts: 17,328
    @tifighter,
    I guess my attempt at levity failed. :'(
    Locally, I never see any electric vehicles on the road in the winter, they are still 3 season vehicles.
    I want one that is good for all four.
    2020 Ford Explorer XLT
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,040
    edited October 2021
    A 10-minute test drive of a 2021 Tesla Model 3 Standard Range Plus. The guy loves it.

    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2018 Honda CR-V EX AWD (wife's)
  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaMember Posts: 16,851
    fintail said:

    Not sure I can do better in the market right now than this deal, and it's a car I like. Not a special order, but maybe close to how I would have built it (some options I want are pretty obscure and something to my special order spec probably doesn't exist).

    What is the distance to drive from your new location to the Seattle area? Would an electric be viable for that?

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,040
    Hasn't Mercedes Benz announced that they are no longer bringing their wagons to the US? That for me would be a reason to keep it.
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2018 Honda CR-V EX AWD (wife's)
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,040
    If you have enough vehicles to live without it then it might be a good idea take the 6k profit. Can you just order another one and wait 2-6 months for it?
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2018 Honda CR-V EX AWD (wife's)
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,040
    edited October 2021
    Chapman Ford in Philadelphia has been offering for the last four months or so a great deal on Maverick orders—4% below invoice. Seems too good to be true, but apparently they're actually doing this. With all the many orders they've gotten there are a few people, of course, who don't actually take delivery for whatever reason—changed their minds, got another vehicle, financing didn't go through, etc. And so that seems to be Chapman's strategy, to scoop up these Mavericks that aren't claimed and then sell them at a profit. Here's what appears to be maybe one example of this....

    https://www.chapmanfordsales.com/new/Ford/2022-Ford-Maverick-846757250a0e09a82ebbf2e4252c8806.htm


    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2018 Honda CR-V EX AWD (wife's)
  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAMember Posts: 8,581
    qbrozen said:

    oh no. Vroom offered $53,274 on my Jeep. That would be more than $6k profit. Dammit. How do I turn that down?

    Close the window and realize it is much nicer than the Escape?
    2021 Tesla Model 3 SR+, 2008 Infiniti G35
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 45,646
    Might be more of an issue if Mrs. QB is driving the Jeep. My experience, flipping my cars gets an eye roll. Trying to take hers, gets much worse.

    And these days, have to fight the replacement battle.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD , 2022 Ford Maverick Lariat Ecoboost FWD.

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 30,893
    Mrs QB said I should take it, but pointed out my little one will be upset with me. She admitted she should have let me order another. Nothing I didn't already know. haha. She said I could just drive the "mazda" for the winter. Yes, she meant the Escape.

    '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c, '21 WRX, '20 S90 T6, '22 4xE. 62-car history and counting! MB Sprinter and '92 Nissan Gloria on the way!

  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAMember Posts: 8,581
    edited October 2021
    qbrozen said:

    Mrs QB said I should take it, but pointed out my little one will be upset with me. She admitted she should have let me order another. Nothing I didn't already know. haha. She said I could just drive the "mazda" for the winter. Yes, she meant the Escape.

    If I sold the Jeep right now I'm pretty sure my little one would need therapy. He sleeps with a mini Wrangler Rubicon diecast next to his bed.
    2021 Tesla Model 3 SR+, 2008 Infiniti G35
  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 204,715

    qbrozen said:

    Mrs QB said I should take it, but pointed out my little one will be upset with me. She admitted she should have let me order another. Nothing I didn't already know. haha. She said I could just drive the "mazda" for the winter. Yes, she meant the Escape.

    If I sold the Jeep right now I'm pretty sure my little one would need therapy. He sleeps with a mini Wrangler Rubicon diecast next to his bed.
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  • au1994au1994 GAMember Posts: 2,778
    I couldn’t part with my Jeep so I don’t even want to run the numbers.

    2021 Jeep Wrangler Sahara 4xe Granite Crystal over Saddle
    2017 BMW X1 Jet Black over Mocha
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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 45,646
    Maybe I should have ordered one when the early deals were such a rage. Seem to be a lot higher now.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD , 2022 Ford Maverick Lariat Ecoboost FWD.

  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyMember Posts: 13,603

    @qbrozen said:
    oh no. Vroom offered $53,274 on my Jeep. That would be more than $6k profit. Dammit. How do I turn that down?

    You don’t! Pays for the Escape!

    2020 Volvo XC90 T6 Momentum / 2019 Volvo S60 T6 Inscription

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 45,646
    So Q drives a clapped out escape and Mrs Q drives an 8 YO Chrysler minivan all winter?

    Somehow, this seems like going backwards.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD , 2022 Ford Maverick Lariat Ecoboost FWD.

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTMember Posts: 15,299
    @qbrozen - I thought VROOM doesn't buy out leases anymore. You mean you'll clear $6K after buying it out and paying the sales tax?

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Unlimited 4Xe

  • laurasdadalaurasdada Member Posts: 4,005
    Just a thought for those considering going EV and using public charging (if NA at your residence, or you only have an L1 setup): Even though it may be convenient to your home, it doesn't mean it will be available, or functioning when you want it!

    I did a road trip to the Greenwich Concourse this weekend, no convenient charging stations for my car anywhere close to where I was parking/staying. Had to rely on dead dinosaurs, which served me well. Still impressive overall MPG for my big as a whale A7e.

    The usual suspects (and more), "I failed epically in my career and investing life" cars. Wayne Carini and Ralph Gilles a couple of "celebrity" judges. Tribute to 1920s era Rolls Royce built in Springfield, MA was quite a display. Saturday was the Concours d'Lemons, a smile inducer. Worst of show was a pristine, screaming orange/white vinyl roofed Ford Pinto.

    Oris watches had a travelling display in an (well-heated!) Airstream trailer; I was quite tempted to buy as there was a bit of a discount as well as a lovely leather travel case and wooden 5 slot watch box they would have gifted me with purchase. But, I heard the wife's voice in my head (as always), "Really, Laurasdada? Really? Another watch..." Got a hat and a coffee mug, though.

    A fond, but bittersweet adieu to my '13 Jaguar XF. And so, I present this laurel, and hearty handshake to the new boss; '21 Audi A7 PHEV. '09 Jag XK , '05 Acura TL, '88 Acura Integra, '84 Mitsubishi Mirage Turbo & '78 VW Scirocco ; all special to me. And, of course, the '92 Nissan Sentra SE-R and '95 Saab 900s I bought for the ex... I've yet to buy a car I didn't like. Although, do I really want to drive a car that would have someone such as me as its owner?

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 45,646
    I didn’t catch all the details but I think there is some sort of partnership. At least to do with setting up a charging network.

    Dada, I worry about that too. Maybe less with Tesla, but if it is going to be a chronic problem (especially as chargers age) that will be a huge problem. At least for the full EV cars

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD , 2022 Ford Maverick Lariat Ecoboost FWD.

  • au1994au1994 GAMember Posts: 2,778
    stickguy said:

    I didn’t catch all the details but I think there is some sort of partnership. At least to do with setting up a charging network.

    Dada, I worry about that too. Maybe less with Tesla, but if it is going to be a chronic problem (especially as chargers age) that will be a huge problem. At least for the full EV cars

    Yep, I’ve run into inop chargers during my brief time as a PHEV owner. Yesterday Chargepoint said there was an available spot so we pulled up only to find a Tesla occupying one of the slots but not plugged in. :disappointed:

    2021 Jeep Wrangler Sahara 4xe Granite Crystal over Saddle
    2017 BMW X1 Jet Black over Mocha
    2011 BMW 328i Jet Black over Tan

  • tifightertifighter WAMember Posts: 3,098
    edited October 2021
    $4.2 billion for 100,000 units implies there wasn't much of a discount. Sounds like they will have access to Superchargers, which is pretty key. I also see that the CEO of Hertz is Mark Fields, former CEO of Ford.

    You have to think VW would have killed for this deal. It will pay for a lot of new Gigafactory, that's for sure.



    21 Tesla 3 Perf / 21 Tesla Y LR / 11 BMW Z4 6MT / 03 Montero Ltd

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