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  • corvettecorvette United StatesMember Posts: 8,696
    Well, I had been toying with replacing the Tundra with something smaller like the Maverick or a midsize CUV, but the lease end is over a year away if I take the six month extension typically offered by US Bank.

    Was messing around on Craigslist and just typed in "Prius," found several, as well as on FB Marketplace. Lots of junk. People wanting thousands for ones with bad hybrid batteries. Found this one miscategorized in the parts category, but the description made it clear that it ran and drove just fine. Met the owner last night.

    Unlike 90%+ of the ones you would find for sale, it's a one owner car. The edge of the hood is dented from a low speed deer hit, but it has decent cosmetics for having 222,000 miles. Which brings us to the common/expensive repair, the hybrid battery. She replaced it four years ago, and it died again recently. She resigned herself at that point to sell the car to a junkyard and buy a new one. She bought a new Prius Prime and was ready to junk this one. Someone told her to see a guy up in Indiana, and he was able to rebuild the pack very inexpensively so she could get more than junk value for the car.

    Asking price was $2,900, I offered $2,500, and we agreed on $2,700. I'm going to give the car a good Italian tuneup to try to shake out any mechanical issues before I sink a lot of time or money into fixing cosmetics. The interior has some scratches and stains, but the materials have held up amazingly considering the age and mileage--nothing has disintegrated.
  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Member Posts: 1,838
    edited July 27

    Must have been one of those illiterate Hoosiers that fixed the Prius battery ones that only mispronounce words -ones that @kyfdx knows :)

  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 197,518
    au1994 said:

    Saabaru 92x? Although the AWD should counteract the torque steer.

    No torque steer in a Subaru

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 197,518
    corvette said:



    Presenting my new beater.

    Congrats!

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 29,679
    never ever would have come up with that one. Pretty sure your local auto parts giant isn't going to have new batteries nor electric motor for it. lol.

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  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Member Posts: 1,838

    That’s what I thought - Autozone has parts for that?

  • corvettecorvette United StatesMember Posts: 8,696
    edited July 27

    Lol, I meant maintenance parts. Transmission fluid, oil filters, cabin filters, etc. It needs some of those black plastic push pins that secure trim pieces. I’m going to have to check my stash to see whether I already have any.

    Also, whomever last filled the oil overfilled it by about a quart. Going to have to bust out the Topsider to suck some of it out.

  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Member Posts: 1,838

    So that one is not full electric but is a hybrid Prius?

  • jmonroe1jmonroe1 Pittsburgh areaMember Posts: 3,107
    mjfloyd1 said:

    That’s what I thought - Autozone has parts for that?

    Sure, lug nuts, touch up paint and wax.

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  • corvettecorvette United StatesMember Posts: 8,696

    @mjfloyd1 said:
    So that one is not full electric but is a hybrid Prius?

    Right. None of the fancy plug in stuff, either.

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 18,669
    edited July 27
    corvette said:

    @mjfloyd1 said:

    So that one is not full electric but is a hybrid Prius?

    Right. None of the fancy plug in stuff, either.


    That’s probably what stickguy should buy to hold him over until the market comes back to earth.

    BTW, did you mention what year that is?

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 43,076
    if that thing runs OK and doesn't have all kinds of error messages I would have jumped on it for that price. It actually would be perfect for me to tide us over until next year when hopefully conditions normalize.

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  • corvettecorvette United StatesMember Posts: 8,696

    It’s a 2007 non-Touring model. Appears to have the second highest option package (no leather, but has nav, VSC, JBL audio, xenons, and fogs).

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 18,669
    stickguy said:

    if that thing runs OK and doesn't have all kinds of error messages I would have jumped on it for that price. It actually would be perfect for me to tide us over until next year when hopefully conditions normalize.

    Here you go:
    https://westernmass.craigslist.org/ctd/d/manchester-2002-toyota-prius-4dr-sdn/7348787698.html

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  • corvettecorvette United StatesMember Posts: 8,696
    So far as I know, the Gen2 Prius (2004-2009) was the first one which drove almost entirely like a normal car. I am pretty sure the first generation one could not continuously maintain a steady-state speed of more than 80 MPH or so, as it would deplete the battery and have to slow down to charge it. Mine is not fast--I anticipate having to go flat out on interstate onramps.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 43,076
    I draw the line at a 1st gen Prius.

    Corvette, does not matter how fast it is to me. Not for a spare car for around town duty. Might never take it anywhere that it needs to break 50 anyway!

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  • henrynhenryn Houston, TXMember Posts: 3,261
    Long ago in a galaxy far far away, I owned a 1971 Peugeot. The top speed was about 84 mph, but it could cruise, comfortably, at 80 all day. I loved that 4 speed on the column shifter, my friends would freak out when they saw me shifting that 4th time.
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  • sdasda Indian Land, SCMember Posts: 4,695
    henryn said:

    Long ago in a galaxy far far away, I owned a 1971 Peugeot. The top speed was about 84 mph, but it could cruise, comfortably, at 80 all day. I loved that 4 speed on the column shifter, my friends would freak out when they saw me shifting that 4th time.

    Which model was it, I am thinking 404 with the column shift. My friend's dad had a 75 504, the shifter was floor mounted. This was while we were in France. Boy it had comfortable seats and rode really well.

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  • henrynhenryn Houston, TXMember Posts: 3,261
    sda said:

    henryn said:

    Long ago in a galaxy far far away, I owned a 1971 Peugeot. The top speed was about 84 mph, but it could cruise, comfortably, at 80 all day. I loved that 4 speed on the column shifter, my friends would freak out when they saw me shifting that 4th time.

    Which model was it, I am thinking 404 with the column shift. My friend's dad had a 75 504, the shifter was floor mounted. This was while we were in France. Boy it had comfortable seats and rode really well.
    It was a 504. The seats were very comfortable, and the ride and handling were both great. American cars at that time could not manage both ride and handling, but that has improved considerably.
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  • sdasda Indian Land, SCMember Posts: 4,695

    It was like this, a GL model, cloth, sunroof. I had forgotten earlier models had the column shift.

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  • henrynhenryn Houston, TXMember Posts: 3,261
    sda said:


    It was like this, a GL model, cloth, sunroof. I had forgotten earlier models had the column shift.

    Yes, quite similar, at least as far as I can recall. It has been a very long time!
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  • henrynhenryn Houston, TXMember Posts: 3,261
    This from CNN Business earlier today. They're saying "through 2022". Jeez, not good.

    Automakers in recent weeks have sharply revised down their production schedules as they struggle to work around the shortage of computer chips, which control dozens of functions in all modern vehicles. In a report released Wednesday, Goldman Sachs said it expects new car inventories to fall further in August, to around 1 million, before beginning to steadily rebuild in September. Inventories will remain well below their pre-pandemic levels through 2022.
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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 43,076
    saw a YAA video earlier where they talked about this, and cited Tata quarterly report where they predicted significantly lower production the rest of the year for that reason. And they would know.

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  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaMember Posts: 15,551
    From Automotive News: https://www.autonews.com/manufacturing/gm-restart-pickup-output-downtime-added-crossover-sedan-plants

    GM to restart pickup output; downtime added at crossover, sedan plants

    General Motors will resume full-size pickup production Monday, as planned, after cutting output this week due to the global microchip shortage, the automaker said Wednesday. But six other North American plants will take additional downtime, including Fairfax Assembly, which has been idled for nearly six months.

    GM's pickup plants -- Flint Assembly in Michigan, Silao Assembly in Mexico and Fort Wayne Assembly in Indiana -- will restart full production Monday. Flint had been operating on only one shift this week, and Fort Wayne and Silao were idled.

    The chip shortage has hampered production for GM and other automakers since early this year. GM has prioritized chips for its lucrative full-size pickup and SUV segments over crossovers and sedans. AutoForecast Solutions estimates that the chip crisis has reduced North America vehicle production by 1.8 million vehicles so far. It projects the total impact could reach 2.1 million.

    GM scheduled additional downtime at six other plants:

    Lansing Delta Township, Spring Hill, Ramos Arizpe assembly plants: Each of the plants will take an additional week of downtime. GM now expects production to restart Aug. 9 after shutting down July 19. Ramos, in Mexico, builds the Chevrolet Blazer and Equinox. Spring Hill, in Tennessee, builds the Cadillac XT5 and XT6 and the GMC Acadia. Lansing Delta Township, in Michigan, builds the Chevy Traverse and the Buick Enclave.

    San Luis Potosi Assembly: The plant in Mexico will add three more weeks of downtime and is now scheduled to resume production Aug. 23. The plant has been down since July 19. It builds the Chevy Equinox and GMC Terrain.

    Lansing Grand River Assembly: GM plans to resume production at the Michigan plant Aug. 30, two weeks later than planned. Production of the Cadillac CT4 and CT5 sedans at the plant has been down since May 10. Production of the Chevy Camaro, also built at Lansing Grand River, will not be impacted.

    Fairfax Assembly: The Kansas City plant will take an additional four weeks of downtime. It was expected to resume production Aug. 23. Now Cadillac XT4 production is scheduled to restart Sept. 20, but Chevrolet Malibu production will remain idled, GM said. Fairfax has been down since Feb. 8.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 43,076
    edited July 28
    I am really not looking forward to trying to get another car later this year!

    If I hadn't turned my lease in early, I would most likely be buying it out.

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 18,669
    stickguy said:

    I am really not looking forward to trying to get another car later this year!

    If I hadn't turned my lease in early, I would most likely be buying it out.

    Suddenly, oldfarmer’s used car lot is looking pretty good, eh? :D

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 43,076
    we are going to be up your way looking at houses Friday. If it works out and we get one, I will swing by to walk the lot. And throw out some lowball offers.

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  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 5,723
    stickguy said:

    I am really not looking forward to trying to get another car later this year!

    If I hadn't turned my lease in early, I would most likely be buying it out.

    But how many thousands of dollars have you saved so far from turning it in?

    My guess is still that by December things will be looking at least a bit better. But to get even an okay deal it will probably be important to look for something that's not in high demand. In other words, since almost everyone these days seems to want an suv, a sedan might have more room for negotiation.
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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 43,076
    ballpark, by December when the lease was up, at least $8k banked. that will cover a slightly inflated lease payment on a replacement!

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  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 5,723
    edited July 28
    8K! A lot of money. Does that include the money you've saved on car insurance?

    Yeah, if you've saved that much then maybe it's reasonable to consider a lease around $450 or so a month? Or what did you have in mind? And since you might be able to get by with a 7500 mile a year lease you should be able to get into a nice vehicle for that—probably even a nice suv.
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  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Member Posts: 1,838

    @stickguy said:
    I am really not looking forward to trying to get another car later this year!

    If I hadn't turned my lease in early, I would most likely be buying it out.

    I thought you got rid of the Acura because you were not fond of it - maybe preferred a V6???

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTMember Posts: 16,274
    Next week, I'm going to get some bids on my MKZ.
    Got one last week which looked good after doing a for sale search on a site that aggregates listings on other sites.
    At this point, it's hard to justify 2 daily's when I only need one.
    The Explorer seems to be working out well.
    Mileage is just a bit lower than the MKZ in local driving and the other night, we filled all 7 seats coming back from a wedding, due to some extra people needing a ride home.
    It's also done well on the 2 road trips.
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  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 192,957
    benjaminh said:

    stickguy said:

    I am really not looking forward to trying to get another car later this year!

    If I hadn't turned my lease in early, I would most likely be buying it out.

    But how many thousands of dollars have you saved so far from turning it in?

    My guess is still that by December things will be looking at least a bit better. But to get even an okay deal it will probably be important to look for something that's not in high demand. In other words, since almost everyone these days seems to want an suv, a sedan might have more room for negotiation.
    I've seen some folks get decent lease deals on B-class sedans (Elantra, Corolla, etc.).

    Try to find a 2021 model year, however - the new stuff doesn't have great lease programs (aka 2022 Civic).

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 43,076
    I did like the TLX. I never intend to buy out a lease though. Too many other things to try! But that was a car that might have been worth it since I trusted it to last a long time for not much money.

    the $8k was payments saved, a few bucks on maintenance, insurance, what they paid me and no disposition fee. Though doing it again, might be closer to $9. In any case, a significant amount of money. And if I wasn't going to buy it, would be looking for a replacement soon anyway.

    I really got rid of it because of equity, and with the shutdowns I knew it would get very little use. Plus we had a brand new RDX in the house too for taking places. That car is now 16 months old, and just broke 7,500 miles. So trying to keep a 2nd car exercised too was going to be tough.

    if I get something new in December, that is when the TLX lease would have run out anyway. And something like a Civic or Elantra (N line) is certainly a possibility, if that is what is available and not crazy prices. But we shall see!

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  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Member Posts: 1,838
    corvette said:

    @mjfloyd1 said:

    So that one is not full electric but is a hybrid Prius?

    Right. None of the fancy plug in stuff, either.


    But does it have more power than a Corolla? :)
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTMember Posts: 16,274
    edited July 28
    At the very least, it has more power than a Corolla when the gas engine isn't running.
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  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Member Posts: 1,838

    At the very least, it has more power than a Corolla when the gas engine isn't running.

    Well that's a take that I hadn't figured on...
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 43,076
    just realized that there is a plus to shopping in the current conditions. It will take less time. No inventory to look at, and probably just take it or leave it pricing with no negotiations. If you find an actual car in stock, you just run in and hope you can get it before somebody else does.

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  • andres3andres3 Southern CAMember Posts: 12,648
    sda said:

    The HHR with the 2.4 isn't bad. The SS even better. They were surprisingly versatile and rode well. Depending on your height, outward visibility could be compromised. I had an 08 2LT fully loaded, leather, sunroof. I enjoyed that car. The little engine that could.

    My main issue with the HHR from riding in one once (friends' rental fodder) was that apparently Fisher Price was the sole source of the interior plastics.
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  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Member Posts: 1,838

    Just when you think it’s safe to go outside…

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 43,076
    Rodo has an Elantra N line stickshift for $335/month with only 1st month DAS. That is not too bad if I planned to go back to a stick.

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTMember Posts: 16,274
    My sister had that generation of Prius. The only enjoyment I got driving it was to see how far I could go without the engine starting.
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  • andres3andres3 Southern CAMember Posts: 12,648
    corvette said:

    Lol, I meant maintenance parts. Transmission fluid, oil filters, cabin filters, etc. It needs some of those black plastic push pins that secure trim pieces. I’m going to have to check my stash to see whether I already have any.

    Also, whomever last filled the oil overfilled it by about a quart. Going to have to bust out the Topsider to suck some of it out.

    Okay, I want to know how you can tell that an engine has been overfilled by about a quart???? No one ever taught me that.
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  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Member Posts: 1,838

    Dipstick

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTMember Posts: 16,274
    Obviously not a BMW. ;)
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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 43,076
    A Leaf SV tech for $320/month but only 2 years. $331 for a plug in hybrid Ioniq. At least those would be cheap to run!

    still one of the best deals is a 2021 TLX with tech for $442/mo, 1st only DAS. At least that is a nice car, for around pre-pandemic money (I figure anything within about 10% or $50/month more than before the market went nuts is pretty good).

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  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Member Posts: 1,838
    I couldn't think of a better one word answer :)
  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 15,091
    I don't know why, but I really like this ZL1 1LE.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 43,076
    mjfloyd1 said:

    Dipstick

    Hey, no need to be rude and name call!

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 43,076
    won't lose that one in a parking lot. But $67k for a 3 YO unit? ouch.

    Those Camaros to me seem like something that people get tired of pretty quickly. Hard to see it being a daily for many years. Or a daily period.

    I love the color. But my wife really has an aversion to orange.

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