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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 15,459

    Reached out on an Elantra N. “MSRP + $1097 in accessories.”

    What are the accessories on a car that hasn’t even hit the lot? pulse (that ridiculous 3rd brake light flash thing) and some all weather package.

    Hyundai is gonna Hyundai…

    What I particularly hate about Pulse is the fact that some low-level "technician" hacked into the wiring harness to install it, most likely using 3M Scotchlok connectors.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2014 M235i; 2009 Cooper Clubman; 1999 Wrangler; 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2018 330i xDrive

  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAMember Posts: 8,300

    Omg. Another dealer is asking $8000 over list. Holy moly.

    2021 Tesla Model 3 SR+, 2021 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sahara 4xE, 2004 BMW 330i ZHP 6MT
  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAMember Posts: 8,300

    @roadburner said:
    What I particularly hate about Pulse is the fact that some low-level "technician" hacked into the wiring harness to install it, most likely using 3M Scotchlok connectors.

    This is exactly my issue.

    2021 Tesla Model 3 SR+, 2021 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sahara 4xE, 2004 BMW 330i ZHP 6MT
  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 15,459
    I'd likely take an Elantra N with the manual over a 330i; three pedals and a slick top would be dispositive.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2014 M235i; 2009 Cooper Clubman; 1999 Wrangler; 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2018 330i xDrive

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 30,370

    @kyfdx said:
    The 4XE, assuming no tax. If that one is taxed, then the Mach-E

    Yeah only full EV is untaxed

    '21 Mach-e Select AWD, '21 Wrangler 4xE, '07 ML63, '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c, '14 Town&Country Limited, '10 Escape XLT v6, '21 WRX. 58(?)-car history and counting!

  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAMember Posts: 8,300

    Nice!

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  • jpp75jpp75 DenverMember Posts: 1,501
    I met up with @breld this morning for breakfast and got a chance to drive the X5. The Phytonic blue looks even better in person, the vehicle wears it well. The interior is incredibly luxurious and well done. We had a lot of discussions on what you get for the price, this is definitely an example of getting a lot for your money.

    The powertrain is very smooth, no pure EV like acceleration but certainly more than adequate for around town in EV only mode. A very impressive vehicle, and I've already called dibs on it when he sells. :smile:
  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyMember Posts: 13,089
    edited January 15

    @jpp75 said:
    I met up with @breld this morning for breakfast and got a chance to drive the X5. The Phytonic blue looks even better in person, the vehicle wears it well. The interior is incredibly luxurious and well done. We had a lot of discussions on what you get for the price, this is definitely an example of getting a lot for your money.

    The powertrain is very smooth, no pure EV like acceleration but certainly more than adequate for around town in EV only mode. A very impressive vehicle, and I've already called dibs on it when he sells. :smile:

    You’ll be enjoying it by St Patty’s day :D

    2020 Volvo XC90 T6 Momentum / 2019 Volvo S60 T6 Inscription

  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Member Posts: 2,148

    @venture said:
    Train your dog. :)

    Not gonna happen. I was offered a low trade in and meager discount or MSRP on new.

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 44,606
    painful day today. My credit account paperwork came, and I had to sign up for auto debit. Good thing it is only 3 years.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD , 2022 Ford Maverick Lariat Ecoboost FWD.

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTMember Posts: 16,777
    @stickguy,
    On Thursday I wired the rest our our house down payment, about the same as 4 nicely equipped Mavericks. :s
    2020 Ford Explorer XLT
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 44,606
    good luck. at least it is going toward something substantial!

    conveniently I got the confirmation statement that my pension has been processed. So that arrives for the first time 1 day after FMC takes a chunk of our bank account. A net positive.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD , 2022 Ford Maverick Lariat Ecoboost FWD.

  • jpp75jpp75 DenverMember Posts: 1,501
    tjc78 said:



    You’ll be enjoying it by St Patty’s day :D


    :D

    Therein lies the problem, I'm enjoying the Defender too much to get rid of it. So unless @breld holds onto this one for at least the better part of a year I may not be ready when it becomes available.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaMember Posts: 15,551
    jpp75 said:


    Therein lies the problem, I'm enjoying the Defender too much to get rid of it. So unless @breld holds onto this one for at least the better part of a year I may not be ready when it becomes available.

    Well, if it does come up, just remind yourself the brand you now own and let the rational side of your brain take over. ;)
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250
  • tifightertifighter WAMember Posts: 3,009
    Here's a take some of you might be interested in-


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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTMember Posts: 16,777
    Our first 2.0 ecoboost was my wife's 2013 Escape. It never felt like it lacked power.
    Still doesn't, actually.
    2020 Ford Explorer XLT
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 44,606
    unearthed the Maverick for the first time in a week (I was sick last weekend and early part of this week). Actually got up to 113 miles on it in only 15 days! And it had about 35 when I got home from the dealer.

    anyway, continues to impress as we get used to it. I even had to maneuver it around a mall parking lot and get in and out of a tight spot. Not a big hassle, but I could definitely say I would not really want a truck from a bigger size class for doing that on a regular basis.

    Truck loafs along on the highway. Barely notice you are moving at 70-75. and the heater seems like it could easily handle an Expedition.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD , 2022 Ford Maverick Lariat Ecoboost FWD.

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 30,370

    @stickguy said:
    Used car prices may crash. or they may go up. or stay flat.

    I can guarantee that.

    Well, I’ll guarantee used cars stay used throughout 2022.

    '21 Mach-e Select AWD, '21 Wrangler 4xE, '07 ML63, '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c, '14 Town&Country Limited, '10 Escape XLT v6, '21 WRX. 58(?)-car history and counting!

  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAMember Posts: 8,300

    The ghost of John Madden would be proud of all of you.

    2021 Tesla Model 3 SR+, 2021 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sahara 4xE, 2004 BMW 330i ZHP 6MT
  • au1994au1994 GAMember Posts: 2,596
    100% of the shots never taken always miss.

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    2017 BMW X1 Jet Black over Mocha
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  • corvettecorvette United StatesMember Posts: 8,769
    Regarding heater performance, I observed that in the late 1990s-early 2000s, a lot of manufacturers set up their HVAC to receive only a trickle of warm coolant (or none at all) until the engine was almost fully warmed up, the thinking being that you wanted as much coolant as possible to recirculate in the engine to get it warmed up and improve MPGs. It also seems like they have figured out some sort of workaround on a lot of newer vehicles so that they provide cabin heat more quickly.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTMember Posts: 16,777
    I think they added heated seats and steering wheels, which works for me.
    2020 Ford Explorer XLT
  • jmonroe1jmonroe1 Pittsburgh areaMember Posts: 3,886
    corvette said:

    Regarding heater performance, I observed that in the late 1990s-early 2000s, a lot of manufacturers set up their HVAC to receive only a trickle of warm coolant (or none at all) until the engine was almost fully warmed up, the thinking being that you wanted as much coolant as possible to recirculate in the engine to get it warmed up and improve MPGs. It also seems like they have figured out some sort of workaround on a lot of newer vehicles so that they provide cabin heat more quickly.

    I think that it could be that smaller engines (less mass) warm up faster. My 5.0 V8 Genny takes a good bit longer to heat up compared to Mrs. j’s 3.6 Legacy 6 cylinder.

    jmonroe
    '15 Genesis just like jmonroe, '18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 15,459
    corvette said:

    Regarding heater performance, I observed that in the late 1990s-early 2000s, a lot of manufacturers set up their HVAC to receive only a trickle of warm coolant (or none at all) until the engine was almost fully warmed up, the thinking being that you wanted as much coolant as possible to recirculate in the engine to get it warmed up and improve MPGs. It also seems like they have figured out some sort of workaround on a lot of newer vehicles so that they provide cabin heat more quickly.

    For some reason my E24 M6 would put out heat almost immediately, which I thought was unusual considering that the S38 was literally a detuned racing engine.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2014 M235i; 2009 Cooper Clubman; 1999 Wrangler; 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2018 330i xDrive

  • ventureventure Central PAMember Posts: 2,238
    mjfloyd1 said:

    @venture said:

    Train your dog. :)

    Not gonna happen. I was offered a low trade in and meager discount or MSRP on new.


    * * *
    Boo!

    That happened to me one time at a dealer that I had bought multiple cars from. It may have been their first pencil, but it was the last pencil for me. I have never bought another car from them.

    2020 Ascent Limited, 2020 Legacy Touring XT

  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyMember Posts: 13,089

    The manufacturers want the engines to heat up as fast as possible since they run cleaner at operating temperature. The heater operating faster is just a benefit of that.

    2020 Volvo XC90 T6 Momentum / 2019 Volvo S60 T6 Inscription

  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Member Posts: 2,148
    venture said:

    mjfloyd1 said:

    @venture said:

    Train your dog. :)

    Not gonna happen. I was offered a low trade in and meager discount or MSRP on new.

    * * *
    Boo!

    That happened to me one time at a dealer that I had bought multiple cars from. It may have been their first pencil, but it was the last pencil for me. I have never bought another car from them.

    Probably for the best. Every time I get a BMW, I piss and moan that the dealer is 45 minutes away and the service sucks. Once they returned a car with hail damage and just left hoping that I would not notice...
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTMember Posts: 15,137

    @qbrozen - congrats! Looks great! Enjoy!

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2017 Pilot Touring AWD, 2019 Tacoma TRD Sport 4WD

  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaMember Posts: 16,231
    Where are the gold wheels?

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6

  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Member Posts: 2,148

    @qbrozen - congratulations. Looks good.

    This was a purchase at MSRP IIRC? Not much mark up on Subies IIRC

  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 199,283
    The only color to get for a WRX

    Looks sharp! Congrats

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  • dad23dad23 ColoradoMember Posts: 731
    Congrats @qbrozen B)
  • au1994au1994 GAMember Posts: 2,596
    Looks great @qbrozen!

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 44,606
    very sharp looking. love the color. I see the ML is home. Working like new after all the time and money invested?

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD , 2022 Ford Maverick Lariat Ecoboost FWD.

  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAMember Posts: 8,300

    What’s your anticipated costs for this one, @qbrozen?

    2021 Tesla Model 3 SR+, 2021 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sahara 4xE, 2004 BMW 330i ZHP 6MT
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 30,370

    Thank you.

    The WR Blue looks better in person than the pics. Very happy with the choice.

    Yes, straight MSRP plus a $799 doc fee, so it is a little “marked up” when accounting for that, and then the $375 shipping. So kind of like paying $775 over, but that’s still $2225 less than the 2nd best offer I had.

    First time driving this generation. The clutch is very odd. It starts to grab early but there is a big transition from where it starts grabbing to where it finishes. So, for the first few attempts, and when trying to shift fast, you feel it engaging and then let off, at which point it bucks violently. Takes some work to keep the foot lifting slowly after that initial bite. It continues in this manner through the first 3 gears. The handling is FANTASTIC. My wife says the feel from the passenger side reminds her of the 135 I had.

    As for the Benz… well, it is not completely out of the woods. TPMS still not functioning and now yesterday the CEL came back on. Lean condition in bank 1. SIGH. I think there is a good chance his patching of the intake manifold is not as strong as he hoped. I texted him when it happened, but no answer yet. It runs great. Just those pesky warning lights.

    '21 Mach-e Select AWD, '21 Wrangler 4xE, '07 ML63, '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c, '14 Town&Country Limited, '10 Escape XLT v6, '21 WRX. 58(?)-car history and counting!

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 19,355
    tjc78 said:

    The manufacturers want the engines to heat up as fast as possible since they run cleaner at operating temperature. The heater operating faster is just a benefit of that.

    Can anyone remember when cars had that crude heat riser on the manifold to get warm air faster but would wear out and rattle?

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2004 Chevy Van, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America I70 & I75 Member Posts: 26,203
    I believe you're talking about the thermostatic units that were on the exhaust manifolds that closed partly when the car was cold and forced air through the intake manifold under the carburetor to warm up the air and improve the evaporation of the gasoline going into the warm manifold and the cylinders?

    Or the thermostatic vanes that were on the air intake for the air going into the carburetor. They closed and much of the air being sucked in was from a space over the exhaust manifold. The exhaust manifolds heated up in a few seconds after the car started, so the carb got warmer air and better fuel evaporation quicker.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • jmonroe1jmonroe1 Pittsburgh areaMember Posts: 3,886
    qbrozen said:


    Is that a paint run I see on the rear bumper? You won’t be able to flip it until you buff that out.

    Still looks good. Good luck with it.

    jmonroe
    '15 Genesis just like jmonroe, '18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
  • rayainswrayainsw Member Posts: 3,153
    qbrozen -
    Congrats!
    - Ray
    Many blue cars here recently...
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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 44,606

    tjc78 said:

    The manufacturers want the engines to heat up as fast as possible since they run cleaner at operating temperature. The heater operating faster is just a benefit of that.

    Can anyone remember when cars had that crude heat riser on the manifold to get warm air faster but would wear out and rattle?
    I'm old. but not that old.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD , 2022 Ford Maverick Lariat Ecoboost FWD.

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 44,606
    just noticed on the WRX, that is the most hideous front plate mounting that I can recall seeing in a long time.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD , 2022 Ford Maverick Lariat Ecoboost FWD.

  • sdasda Indian Land, SCMember Posts: 5,182
    edited January 16

    tjc78 said:

    The manufacturers want the engines to heat up as fast as possible since they run cleaner at operating temperature. The heater operating faster is just a benefit of that.

    Can anyone remember when cars had that crude heat riser on the manifold to get warm air faster but would wear out and rattle?
    Yes! My 76 Sunbird V6 heat riser would rattle or make a ratcheting sound after every shift or on/off the throttle. A so- called mechanic I took it to disconnected it somehow and only made it worse. Cold weather drive-ability went from fair to poor. In temps above 50 it was fine. As a college student with limited funds I left it alone.

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  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZMember Posts: 5,221
    jmonroe1 said:

    Is that a paint run I see on the rear bumper? You won’t be able to flip it until you buff that out.

    Well, I went back and looked, twice in fact. I don't see a rear view of the vehicle. I clearly need help.

    '08 Acura TSX, '17 Subaru Forester
  • jmonroe1jmonroe1 Pittsburgh areaMember Posts: 3,886

    jmonroe1 said:

    Is that a paint run I see on the rear bumper? You won’t be able to flip it until you buff that out.

    Well, I went back and looked, twice in fact. I don't see a rear view of the vehicle. I clearly need help.

    So what’s new? B)

    jmonroe
    '15 Genesis just like jmonroe, '18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaMember Posts: 15,551
    qbrozen said:

    Thank you.

    The WR Blue looks better in person than the pics. Very happy with the choice.

    Time to update the sig line again; I'm sure it's tough to keep up at the moment. :D

    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaMember Posts: 15,551

    I believe you're talking about the thermostatic units that were on the exhaust manifolds that closed partly when the car was cold and forced air through the intake manifold under the carburetor to warm up the air and improve the evaporation of the gasoline going into the warm manifold and the cylinders?

    Or the thermostatic vanes that were on the air intake for the air going into the carburetor. They closed and much of the air being sucked in was from a space over the exhaust manifold. The exhaust manifolds heated up in a few seconds after the car started, so the carb got warmer air and better fuel evaporation quicker.


    The intake on my van had the input line running from a bracket that mounted on the exhaust pipe, just where it connected to the manifold. While I'm sure the extra heat helped the fuel/air mix in the carburetor, the restrictive air flow didn't do the vehicle any favors any other time!

    Perhaps sadly, I kept it in its original setup until two summers ago, when my son and I were doing some tune-up work on it while he was first learning to drive. I ended up pulling that whole air cleaner off the vehicle and putting a high-flow system on it that must have boosted the power of the engine by around 50%. I dare say that old beast even has a little spunk now. It might be grumpy if I tried to start it in sub-freezing temperatures, but that probably hasn't happened in two decades (or more) at this point, so I'm not too worried about it.
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250
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