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  • jmonroe1jmonroe1 Pittsburgh areaMember Posts: 3,511

    @oldfarmer50 said:
    In this market the price is whatever the dealer can get away with.

    You’re right about that. But today it’s easier because of the panic.

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis just like jmonroe, '18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 15,295
    jmonroe1 said:

    @sda said:

    Speakers are a great starting point to upgrade audio. Typically they are the weak link.

    Makes you wonder why a car manufacturer cheaps out so much on speakers but they have the best bean counters on earth so they must know what works and what doesn’t. Although it does make you scratch your head. Sometimes to balding. :'(

    jmonroe


    I think a huge percentage of drivers have no Idea how a decent audio system sounds- and/or don't care.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2014 M235i; 2009 Cooper Clubman; 1999 Wrangler; 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2018 330i xDrive

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 30,068

    @stickguy said:
    so all that time playing with electronics, and it was just gunk inside? Old school!

    True enough. Nothing a computer could have deduced, so who knows if even an MB dealer could have figured that out.

    '21 Wrangler 4xE, '07 ML63, '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c, '14 Town&Country Limited, '10 Escape XLT v6. 56-car history and counting!

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 44,019
    sometimes you just have to take it apart and see what you find.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD

  • tifightertifighter WAMember Posts: 2,949
    rny421 said:

    So, I'm on an Audi TT kick right now. Does anyone know what a fair deal on this would be? The closest 2008 V6 convertible comp I can find is $19K, but other sources like KBB say $17K max.

    https://www.autoshowcase1.com/vehicle-details/used-2008-audi-tt-3-2l-quattro-roadster-carol-stream-il-id-43851999

    I've driven one of these with the V6 and the manual. I liked it. I seem to recall that there can be issues with the timing chain guides or something on the V6; I can't remember. I also drove the 2.0T with the DSG, and it didn't feel any slower. But $22K for a 60K mile 13YO Audi? Well, it's a brave new world. If you have the itch now, I'd consider the alternatives. Examples with manuals that are newer/lower miles as seen on carmax with a 2 minute search-

    But if you love the TT, then you love the TT.

    21 Tesla 3 Perf / 21 Tesla Y LR / 11 BMW Z4 6MT

  • Sandman6472Sandman6472 Coral Springs, FLMember Posts: 6,049
    Q, now that the ML is fixed and coming home, can't the wife drive that as her d d? She has the Fiat & minivan if she gets bored or she can even borrow the Jeep. I've got a feeling a Transit van is going to be cool at first, but after a short while...not so much! Having three, maybe even four vehicles to choose from seems to me the perfect way to go. And they're all in the stable right now so no more cash outlay for yet another vehicle. Just makes sense and maybe, in time, she can get something she's always wanted. Hell, I'd be happy to have a toy right now so I could switch off to be honest.
    Looked on a website earlier, and our old 7/6 is now worth just over $1M, crazy but it says it's just under 5K living space. Somewhat small by today's standards but back then, it was pretty large. Was nice to see it again, even though we didn't live there very long.

    2015 Audi A3 (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2)

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 30,068

    @Sandman6472 said:
    Q, now that the ML is fixed and coming home, can't the wife drive that as her d d? She has the Fiat & minivan if she gets bored or she can even borrow the Jeep. I've got a feeling a Transit van is going to be cool at first, but after a short while...not so much! Having three, maybe even four vehicles to choose from seems to me the perfect way to go. And they're all in the stable right now so no more cash outlay for yet another vehicle. Just makes sense and maybe, in time, she can get something she's always wanted. Hell, I'd be happy to have a toy right now so I could switch off to be honest.
    Looked on a website earlier, and our old 7/6 is now worth just over $1M, crazy but it says it's just under 5K living space. Somewhat small by today's standards but back then, it was pretty large. Was nice to see it again, even though we didn't live there very long.

    Say what? 5k is small? Yikes!

    Benz will go up for auction, I’m pretty certain. I’ve been pondering other moves. We both use the Jeep A LOT, yet, I’m not terribly keen on making payments right now. The Escape will be with us here in NJ for a while. Maybe I’ll start tooling around in that and see how it goes. Wouldn’t be the worst thing if a $4k vehicle can serve as a DD. But, I do acknowledge I have been down this road before. I tried it with a $2k Equinox, and that did not go well. Plus, wife would not do well with that plan. I think the Jeep needs to stay for her use. So, yes, likely the future stable will be Sprinter, Jeep, Fiat, Charger. The Ford will go down south, and the Coronet will still be in pieces. Lol. Who knows? Maybe I’ll like driving the Sprinter.

    '21 Wrangler 4xE, '07 ML63, '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c, '14 Town&Country Limited, '10 Escape XLT v6. 56-car history and counting!

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 30,068

    I’m pretty surprised I made 3 punches this year. I honestly did not think any moves were in the cards when the year started. I’m not counting the Sprinter. Although we put down a deposit, who the heck knows how long it will take before signing and taking delivery.

    '21 Wrangler 4xE, '07 ML63, '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c, '14 Town&Country Limited, '10 Escape XLT v6. 56-car history and counting!

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTMember Posts: 16,535
    @qbrozen,
    Just make sure your insurance company knows the Escape will spend most of it's time in SC, if that turns out ot be the case.
    2020 Ford Explorer XLT
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 30,068

    @explorerx4 said:
    @qbrozen,
    Just make sure your insurance company knows the Escape will spend most of it's time in SC, if that turns out ot be the case.

    Posted about that previously. It took some discussion with them but they did it.

    '21 Wrangler 4xE, '07 ML63, '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c, '14 Town&Country Limited, '10 Escape XLT v6. 56-car history and counting!

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 19,059
    “ I tried it with a $2k Equinox, and that did not go well. “

    Well the problem there was that it was an Equinox. :p I guess I missed the story on that one.

    All this time and I never knew you were a hooptie collector like me. ;)

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2004 Chevy Van, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAMember Posts: 8,118
    I am having a second guess regarding leasing the Tesla vs. financing it. There is talk of any new EV tax credits being retroactive to 5/24/2021, if the bill passes, which is why I'm debating. Here is the breakdown in my head.

    Lease: Minimal upfront, only paying part of the sales tax, pretty easy flip to a dealer assuming values stay up. If the tax credits pass retroactively, could depress values and make it harder to sell.

    Buy: Large downpayment upfront, full sales tax (add $2500 over lease cost), lower interest rate vs. the lease. I'm left holding the bag on values, but potential $7500 windfall if the EV tax credits go retroactive.

    Need to decide quite soon....like this morning...

    In other news, value of the Outback from Carmax is up to $37,000...
    2021 Tesla Model 3 SR+, 2021 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sahara 4xE, 2004 BMW 330i ZHP 6MT
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 30,068

    I am having a second guess regarding leasing the Tesla vs. financing it. There is talk of any new EV tax credits being retroactive to 5/24/2021, if the bill passes, which is why I'm debating. Here is the breakdown in my head.

    Lease: Minimal upfront, only paying part of the sales tax, pretty easy flip to a dealer assuming values stay up. If the tax credits pass retroactively, could depress values and make it harder to sell.

    Buy: Large downpayment upfront, full sales tax (add $2500 over lease cost), lower interest rate vs. the lease. I'm left holding the bag on values, but potential $7500 windfall if the EV tax credits go retroactive.

    Need to decide quite soon....like this morning...

    In other news, value of the Outback from Carmax is up to $37,000...

    I'd run the total cost on each assuming 75% RV after 2 yrs. I know right now it is more like 99%, lol. But I wouldn't count on it. You'll probably find buying to be better given the lower interest. It would be even better if, like you said, the $7500 falls your way. Granted, though, the $7500 would hurt the value since buyers would turn back to new Teslas rather than used. But once the new incentive is used up (again), that will change.

    '21 Wrangler 4xE, '07 ML63, '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c, '14 Town&Country Limited, '10 Escape XLT v6. 56-car history and counting!

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTMember Posts: 15,054

    I am having a second guess regarding leasing the Tesla vs. financing it. There is talk of any new EV tax credits being retroactive to 5/24/2021, if the bill passes, which is why I'm debating. Here is the breakdown in my head.

    Lease: Minimal upfront, only paying part of the sales tax, pretty easy flip to a dealer assuming values stay up. If the tax credits pass retroactively, could depress values and make it harder to sell.

    Buy: Large downpayment upfront, full sales tax (add $2500 over lease cost), lower interest rate vs. the lease. I'm left holding the bag on values, but potential $7500 windfall if the EV tax credits go retroactive.

    Need to decide quite soon....like this morning...

    In other news, value of the Outback from Carmax is up to $37,000...

    If this bill passes, what does that mean for those of us waiting to take delivery of a 4xE Wrangler? Asking for a friend:)

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2017 Pilot Touring AWD, 2019 Tacoma TRD Sport 4WD

  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAMember Posts: 8,118
    nyccarguy said:

    I am having a second guess regarding leasing the Tesla vs. financing it. There is talk of any new EV tax credits being retroactive to 5/24/2021, if the bill passes, which is why I'm debating. Here is the breakdown in my head.

    Lease: Minimal upfront, only paying part of the sales tax, pretty easy flip to a dealer assuming values stay up. If the tax credits pass retroactively, could depress values and make it harder to sell.

    Buy: Large downpayment upfront, full sales tax (add $2500 over lease cost), lower interest rate vs. the lease. I'm left holding the bag on values, but potential $7500 windfall if the EV tax credits go retroactive.

    Need to decide quite soon....like this morning...

    In other news, value of the Outback from Carmax is up to $37,000...

    If this bill passes, what does that mean for those of us waiting to take delivery of a 4xE Wrangler? Asking for a friend:)
    You already get the $7500 being passed on via CCAP through the existing tax credits. If for some reason your delivery pushed into 2022, you might end up eligible for an additional $4k if CCAP tried to pass it on. Unclear whether that will happen.

    All of this is hypothetical, of course...
    2021 Tesla Model 3 SR+, 2021 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sahara 4xE, 2004 BMW 330i ZHP 6MT
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 44,019
    Got distracted again. Really need to somehow find a respectable used truck for not too much money to go along with a used car. But they are so hard to find.

    A benefit though, no issues getting a full sized beast, if you only use it when you need that!

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD

  • tifightertifighter WAMember Posts: 2,949
    I still think Model 3 values will hold for awhile regardless of the credit situation. An SR+ ordered today already has an estimated May delivery time, and would go way further out with an additional credit available. There are plenty of people that won't be able to wait that long.

    I'm still impressed you were able to get one, period.

    21 Tesla 3 Perf / 21 Tesla Y LR / 11 BMW Z4 6MT

  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAMember Posts: 8,118
    Assuming a 75% residual in 24 months, it's almost a dead heat for TCO ($18,418 for leasing, $18, 268 for purchase with 72 month financing @ 2.49%). But that almost makes the decision even more clear cut, IMO, since owning offers more flexibility AND there is a potential of a $7500 windfall...
    2021 Tesla Model 3 SR+, 2021 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sahara 4xE, 2004 BMW 330i ZHP 6MT
  • andres3andres3 Southern CAMember Posts: 12,804
    edited October 22
    rny421 said:

    So, I'm on an Audi TT kick right now. Does anyone know what a fair deal on this would be? The closest 2008 V6 convertible comp I can find is $19K, but other sources like KBB say $17K max.

    https://www.autoshowcase1.com/vehicle-details/used-2008-audi-tt-3-2l-quattro-roadster-carol-stream-il-id-43851999

    In this market if you find exactly what you want it's worth a premium. VW dealership had 1 Jetta, 1 GLI, 1 Taos.

    The 1.4T in the Jetta impressed me as it simulated the feel of a 1.8T nicely, but without the extra size/weight up front.

    Only car I drove was the Jetta SEL, but I looked at the Taos. It appears to be the upgrade at VW as compared to economy Jetta, in fact, it's the Alltrack replacement (has 4-Motion AWD), just more SUV and higher roof like, and without the more premium Golf interior. It now has a "tall" Jetta interior, which was fine, but not quite premium like. It has a 7-speed DSG and a 1.5T instead of a 1.4 (curious if anyone here has driven a 1.5T at VW?)?

    The Jetta has the solid but slushy 8-speed auto similar to the Tiguan.
    '15 Audi Misano Red Pearl S4, '16 Audi TTS Daytona Gray Pearl, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAMember Posts: 8,118
    edited October 22
    I flipped it to a purchase - it was a no brainer based on the math - even if it breaks even, financing offers more potential upside.
    2021 Tesla Model 3 SR+, 2021 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sahara 4xE, 2004 BMW 330i ZHP 6MT
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTMember Posts: 15,054

    nyccarguy said:

    I am having a second guess regarding leasing the Tesla vs. financing it. There is talk of any new EV tax credits being retroactive to 5/24/2021, if the bill passes, which is why I'm debating. Here is the breakdown in my head.

    Lease: Minimal upfront, only paying part of the sales tax, pretty easy flip to a dealer assuming values stay up. If the tax credits pass retroactively, could depress values and make it harder to sell.

    Buy: Large downpayment upfront, full sales tax (add $2500 over lease cost), lower interest rate vs. the lease. I'm left holding the bag on values, but potential $7500 windfall if the EV tax credits go retroactive.

    Need to decide quite soon....like this morning...

    In other news, value of the Outback from Carmax is up to $37,000...

    If this bill passes, what does that mean for those of us waiting to take delivery of a 4xE Wrangler? Asking for a friend:)
    You already get the $7500 being passed on via CCAP through the existing tax credits. If for some reason your delivery pushed into 2022, you might end up eligible for an additional $4k if CCAP tried to pass it on. Unclear whether that will happen.

    All of this is hypothetical, of course...
    Gotcha. Hypothetically my wife's Jeep should be here in the next 2ish weeks. Last I heard it was in Final Inspection Stage.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2017 Pilot Touring AWD, 2019 Tacoma TRD Sport 4WD

  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAMember Posts: 8,118
    nyccarguy said:

    nyccarguy said:

    I am having a second guess regarding leasing the Tesla vs. financing it. There is talk of any new EV tax credits being retroactive to 5/24/2021, if the bill passes, which is why I'm debating. Here is the breakdown in my head.

    Lease: Minimal upfront, only paying part of the sales tax, pretty easy flip to a dealer assuming values stay up. If the tax credits pass retroactively, could depress values and make it harder to sell.

    Buy: Large downpayment upfront, full sales tax (add $2500 over lease cost), lower interest rate vs. the lease. I'm left holding the bag on values, but potential $7500 windfall if the EV tax credits go retroactive.

    Need to decide quite soon....like this morning...

    In other news, value of the Outback from Carmax is up to $37,000...

    If this bill passes, what does that mean for those of us waiting to take delivery of a 4xE Wrangler? Asking for a friend:)
    You already get the $7500 being passed on via CCAP through the existing tax credits. If for some reason your delivery pushed into 2022, you might end up eligible for an additional $4k if CCAP tried to pass it on. Unclear whether that will happen.

    All of this is hypothetical, of course...
    Gotcha. Hypothetically my wife's Jeep should be here in the next 2ish weeks. Last I heard it was in Final Inspection Stage.
    Then you're good - I think Mike's dealer locks in the rates and everything, so you'll still get the $7500 rebate. Wildcard would be if someone got one next year, assuming these rebates pass (no guarantees), whether CCAP would pass along up to the full $12,500 they're talking about. That'd be some wild leasing...
    2021 Tesla Model 3 SR+, 2021 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sahara 4xE, 2004 BMW 330i ZHP 6MT
  • au1994au1994 GAMember Posts: 2,508

    nyccarguy said:

    nyccarguy said:

    I am having a second guess regarding leasing the Tesla vs. financing it. There is talk of any new EV tax credits being retroactive to 5/24/2021, if the bill passes, which is why I'm debating. Here is the breakdown in my head.

    Lease: Minimal upfront, only paying part of the sales tax, pretty easy flip to a dealer assuming values stay up. If the tax credits pass retroactively, could depress values and make it harder to sell.

    Buy: Large downpayment upfront, full sales tax (add $2500 over lease cost), lower interest rate vs. the lease. I'm left holding the bag on values, but potential $7500 windfall if the EV tax credits go retroactive.

    Need to decide quite soon....like this morning...

    In other news, value of the Outback from Carmax is up to $37,000...

    If this bill passes, what does that mean for those of us waiting to take delivery of a 4xE Wrangler? Asking for a friend:)
    You already get the $7500 being passed on via CCAP through the existing tax credits. If for some reason your delivery pushed into 2022, you might end up eligible for an additional $4k if CCAP tried to pass it on. Unclear whether that will happen.

    All of this is hypothetical, of course...
    Gotcha. Hypothetically my wife's Jeep should be here in the next 2ish weeks. Last I heard it was in Final Inspection Stage.
    Then you're good - I think Mike's dealer locks in the rates and everything, so you'll still get the $7500 rebate. Wildcard would be if someone got one next year, assuming these rebates pass (no guarantees), whether CCAP would pass along up to the full $12,500 they're talking about. That'd be some wild leasing...
    Can you imagine? Yes there has been a few price increases but with $12,500 down we’d be looking at what? $250/mo give or take depending on your taxes?

    2021 Jeep Wrangler Sahara 4xe Granite Crystal over Saddle
    2017 BMW X1 Jet Black over Mocha

  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAMember Posts: 8,118
    au1994 said:

    nyccarguy said:

    nyccarguy said:

    I am having a second guess regarding leasing the Tesla vs. financing it. There is talk of any new EV tax credits being retroactive to 5/24/2021, if the bill passes, which is why I'm debating. Here is the breakdown in my head.

    Lease: Minimal upfront, only paying part of the sales tax, pretty easy flip to a dealer assuming values stay up. If the tax credits pass retroactively, could depress values and make it harder to sell.

    Buy: Large downpayment upfront, full sales tax (add $2500 over lease cost), lower interest rate vs. the lease. I'm left holding the bag on values, but potential $7500 windfall if the EV tax credits go retroactive.

    Need to decide quite soon....like this morning...

    In other news, value of the Outback from Carmax is up to $37,000...

    If this bill passes, what does that mean for those of us waiting to take delivery of a 4xE Wrangler? Asking for a friend:)
    You already get the $7500 being passed on via CCAP through the existing tax credits. If for some reason your delivery pushed into 2022, you might end up eligible for an additional $4k if CCAP tried to pass it on. Unclear whether that will happen.

    All of this is hypothetical, of course...
    Gotcha. Hypothetically my wife's Jeep should be here in the next 2ish weeks. Last I heard it was in Final Inspection Stage.
    Then you're good - I think Mike's dealer locks in the rates and everything, so you'll still get the $7500 rebate. Wildcard would be if someone got one next year, assuming these rebates pass (no guarantees), whether CCAP would pass along up to the full $12,500 they're talking about. That'd be some wild leasing...
    Can you imagine? Yes there has been a few price increases but with $12,500 down we’d be looking at what? $250/mo give or take depending on your taxes?
    I think one of three scenarios occurs:
    (1) The bill passes, the credit applies to leases, but CCAP chooses to hold some of it.
    (2) The bill passes, but the credit doesn't not apply entirely to leases.
    (3) The bill doesn't ever actually pass as written.
    2021 Tesla Model 3 SR+, 2021 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sahara 4xE, 2004 BMW 330i ZHP 6MT
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 30,068
    Would the 4xe qualify for $12.5k? Does the proposed bill allow for PHEVs with only 22 miles of range to get the full amount?

    '21 Wrangler 4xE, '07 ML63, '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c, '14 Town&Country Limited, '10 Escape XLT v6. 56-car history and counting!

  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAMember Posts: 8,118
    edited October 22
    qbrozen said:

    Would the 4xe qualify for $12.5k? Does the proposed bill allow for PHEVs with only 22 miles of range to get the full amount?

    Good question - I actually don't know; but I don't see anything about the union bonuses having a caveat like that...the only thing I saw was for the $7500 requiring a 15kwh battery, minimum. The 4xE has a 17.3.
    2021 Tesla Model 3 SR+, 2021 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sahara 4xE, 2004 BMW 330i ZHP 6MT
  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Member Posts: 1,990

    How were you able to listen to a 20018 vehicle’s sound system? Time travel? Is this a DeLorean rather than a Buick? :)

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 44,019
    Popped over to look at used BMW. Super clean, in and out. Belied the Carmax that had a couple of bumps on it. Nice car though, but it was in service 8/13, so already over 8 years old. Still hard to accept paying $19,500 for a nice but mainstream sedan that old. Local car, dealer maintained, but still getting to an age where will have some needs. But should be a nice car. Only 44k miles. Just missing sports seats, but we are generally fine with the base thrones, and my wife even prefers them.

    Problem is, the same basic car but 2018 MY is probably $10k more with similar mileage. So maybe super low miles 14 is smarter, but it’s already close to 10 YO and at some point it’s considered an “old” car, and value could easily take a nose dive.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD

  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 200,767
    It's hard to put a value on the low miles, once you start comparing across model years.

    Values are so far out of whack, I'm glad I don't need a car.

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  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 5,945
    edited October 22
    I'd worry about the service needs of a 2013 BMW. And some BMW 3-series cars of that era don't even have a back-up camera iirc. Plus no CarPlay/AA. 19.5k kinda makes sense in this soufflé market. The options currently are few and far between, both new and used. Vehicles are thin on the ground and overpriced.
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2018 Honda CR-V EX AWD (wife's)
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 44,019
    I don’t actually need it either so browsing is low stress!

    Always have the Maverick option which should eventually get produced. And a Honda dealer waiting on pricing and availability on a civic Si. Just in case I go a different direction.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 5,945
    And by maybe March you might be able to add the Acura Integra to the list of possibilities.
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2018 Honda CR-V EX AWD (wife's)
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 44,019
    It’s already on. Just no clue when it might appear.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD

  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 15,295
    edited October 22
    benjaminh said:

    I'd worry about the service needs of a 2013 BMW. And some BMW 3-series cars of that era don't even have a back-up camera iirc. Plus no CarPlay/AA. 19.5k kinda makes sense in this soufflé market. The options currently are few and far between, both new and used. Vehicles are thin on the ground and overpriced.

    As I posted in RWTIV:
    If you know a good indie shop or dealer and have a CCA membership it's not bad at all. The running costs for my wife's X1 with the same engine have averaged $312/year. It would be even less if I didn't get the coolant and brake fluid changed more often than BMW recommends. There was a TSB for the early N20 timing chains. It might well have already been replaced on that car. BMW also extended the timing chain warranty to 7-year 70K miles.

    As long as it has three mirrors I can do without a rear view camera. CarPlay is a non-issue for me, and FWIW, the vast majority of BMW buyers I dealt with preferred the OEM navigation over CarPlay- including acolytes of the Blessed Church of St. Jobs.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2014 M235i; 2009 Cooper Clubman; 1999 Wrangler; 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2018 330i xDrive

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 5,945
    Somewhere in Acura's promo ads they said the Integra was "coming soon," and to me that would seem to mean a few months? I think the Civic Si is coming in December, and maybe the Integra will be three months after that? In one of the articles on the Integra it said Acura's already been working on it for more than four years, and so it should pretty much be done.

    I wonder if you could drive the Maverick for some months, and then sell it to Carvana for the same money you paid for it, or maybe even pocket a small profit? And there might be a chance that you'll like it enough to keep it.
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2018 Honda CR-V EX AWD (wife's)
  • sdasda Indian Land, SCMember Posts: 5,007
    stickguy said:

    I don’t actually need it either so browsing is low stress!

    Always have the Maverick option which should eventually get produced. And a Honda dealer waiting on pricing and availability on a civic Si. Just in case I go a different direction.

    I may have missed it, do you have a delivery date for the Maverick?

    2018 VW Passat SE w/tech, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech, 2006 Acura TL w/nav

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 44,019
    last email I had from Ford bumped the build date back a week, to 11/1. so delivery would be, maybe end of November? That assumes no more delays.

    the 2014 328 happened to have a BU camera, but true, a lot of expensive Euro cars even at that point still did not have a camera. No way I am buying something like that without one. Gotta draw a line someplace!

    The Integra, I thought that was some non-committal "2022" so I assume maybe 4/1? But these days, who the heck knows when something will actually arrive.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 5,945
    A new Maverick in this market at a significant discount from msrp seems like a good thing. My local Hyundai dealer has things on their site like....


    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2018 Honda CR-V EX AWD (wife's)
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 30,068

    I always suggest low miles and older for those who drive a lot but newer with high miles of it will be driven little.

    '21 Wrangler 4xE, '07 ML63, '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c, '14 Town&Country Limited, '10 Escape XLT v6. 56-car history and counting!

  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 15,295
    benjaminh said:

    A new Maverick in this market at a significant discount from msrp seems like a good thing. My local Hyundai dealer has things on their site like....


    It's the Oxmorons Dealer Group- what did you expect?

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  • carnaughtcarnaught Desert SWMember Posts: 3,182
    I think the “moron” part applies to the buyer who will pay $5k over MSRP for the car.
  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 15,295
    Road & Track was less than enthused with the Mk8 GTI; it's a great track toy but irritating as a street car due to the obtuse touchscreen infotainment system and the capacitive touchpads on the wheel. I've read similar complaints in the European automotive press. I think a system that has only a touchscreen interface is at least as dangerous as those mouth breathers who drive using handheld phones.

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  • tifightertifighter WAMember Posts: 2,949
    Drove past a transporter filled with Mavericks on the freeway today. Just in case anyone in this group has had any interest in them, not sure, haven't seen many posts about it...

    21 Tesla 3 Perf / 21 Tesla Y LR / 11 BMW Z4 6MT

  • sdasda Indian Land, SCMember Posts: 5,007

    benjaminh said:

    A new Maverick in this market at a significant discount from msrp seems like a good thing. My local Hyundai dealer has things on their site like....


    It's the Oxmorons Dealer Group- what did you expect?
    Just madness 😐

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 44,019
    qbrozen said:

    I always suggest low miles and older for those who drive a lot but newer with high miles of it will be driven little.

    I agree with this. a 2020 with 50K miles and 2 years/10K miles left on the warranty would be perfect for me.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD

  • rny421rny421 Member Posts: 154
    stickguy said:

    Popped over to look at used BMW. Super clean, in and out. Belied the Carmax that had a couple of bumps on it. Nice car though, but it was in service 8/13, so already over 8 years old. Still hard to accept paying $19,500 for a nice but mainstream sedan that old. Local car, dealer maintained, but still getting to an age where will have some needs. But should be a nice car. Only 44k miles. Just missing sports seats, but we are generally fine with the base thrones, and my wife even prefers them.

    Problem is, the same basic car but 2018 MY is probably $10k more with similar mileage. So maybe super low miles 14 is smarter, but it’s already close to 10 YO and at some point it’s considered an “old” car, and value could easily take a nose dive.

    I was afraid you were interested in my BMW ;-)

    I threw an offer at the 2008 Audi TT. They had a $695 "Dealer Prep Fee" plus a $300 "Dealer Doc Fee," so I put an offer of $19.5K all in, but they flat out said no. Oh well - they've had it for over two months, so we'll see if it sits.

    Long story short, I may be interested in having you look at that 3 series @stickguy . Gonna take a look at one locally this weekend to make sure the 328i has enough pep for me.
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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 44,019
    I actually liked that one. but just can't do a black over black car, doubly so in a convertible.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 44,019
    if you want I can pop over. just remember, on a PPI, you get what you pay for!

    and I have no problem skating you on it if I fall in love. :p

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD

  • corvettecorvette United StatesMember Posts: 8,887

    FWIW, the vast majority of BMW buyers I dealt with preferred the OEM navigation over CarPlay- including acolytes of the Blessed Church of St. Jobs.

    Does the OEM navigation have some sort of real time traffic data? Because Waze has saved me from being mired in traffic more times than I can count.

    It's the Oxmorons Dealer Group- what did you expect?

    That reminds me, I'm going to have to ask Dad whether his Ranger that he bought there has that stupid, annoying, blinking third brake light, and whether he wants to remove the blinking function... He's already bought some sort of rear suspension upgrade to try to deal with what I'm assuming is some sort of axle hop on rough roads.
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