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  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyMember Posts: 13,043

    @qbrozen said:
    oh no. Vroom offered $53,274 on my Jeep. That would be more than $6k profit. Dammit. How do I turn that down?

    You don’t! Pays for the Escape!

    2020 Volvo XC90 T6 Momentum / 2019 Volvo S60 T6 Inscription

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 44,622
    So Q drives a clapped out escape and Mrs Q drives an 8 YO Chrysler minivan all winter?

    Somehow, this seems like going backwards.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD , 2022 Ford Maverick Lariat Ecoboost FWD.

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTMember Posts: 15,126
    @qbrozen - I thought VROOM doesn't buy out leases anymore. You mean you'll clear $6K after buying it out and paying the sales tax?

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2017 Pilot Touring AWD, 2019 Tacoma TRD Sport 4WD

  • laurasdadalaurasdada Member Posts: 3,900
    Just a thought for those considering going EV and using public charging (if NA at your residence, or you only have an L1 setup): Even though it may be convenient to your home, it doesn't mean it will be available, or functioning when you want it!

    I did a road trip to the Greenwich Concourse this weekend, no convenient charging stations for my car anywhere close to where I was parking/staying. Had to rely on dead dinosaurs, which served me well. Still impressive overall MPG for my big as a whale A7e.

    The usual suspects (and more), "I failed epically in my career and investing life" cars. Wayne Carini and Ralph Gilles a couple of "celebrity" judges. Tribute to 1920s era Rolls Royce built in Springfield, MA was quite a display. Saturday was the Concours d'Lemons, a smile inducer. Worst of show was a pristine, screaming orange/white vinyl roofed Ford Pinto.

    Oris watches had a travelling display in an (well-heated!) Airstream trailer; I was quite tempted to buy as there was a bit of a discount as well as a lovely leather travel case and wooden 5 slot watch box they would have gifted me with purchase. But, I heard the wife's voice in my head (as always), "Really, Laurasdada? Really? Another watch..." Got a hat and a coffee mug, though.

    A fond, but bittersweet adieu to my '13 Jaguar XF. And so, I present this laurel, and hearty handshake to the new boss; '21 Audi A7 PHEV. '09 Jag XK , '05 Acura TL, '88 Acura Integra, '84 Mitsubishi Mirage Turbo & '78 VW Scirocco ; all special to me. And, of course, the '92 Nissan Sentra SE-R and '95 Saab 900s I bought for the ex... I've yet to buy a car I didn't like. Although, do I really want to drive a car that would have someone such as me as its owner?

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 44,622
    I didn’t catch all the details but I think there is some sort of partnership. At least to do with setting up a charging network.

    Dada, I worry about that too. Maybe less with Tesla, but if it is going to be a chronic problem (especially as chargers age) that will be a huge problem. At least for the full EV cars

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD , 2022 Ford Maverick Lariat Ecoboost FWD.

  • au1994au1994 GAMember Posts: 2,583
    stickguy said:

    I didn’t catch all the details but I think there is some sort of partnership. At least to do with setting up a charging network.

    Dada, I worry about that too. Maybe less with Tesla, but if it is going to be a chronic problem (especially as chargers age) that will be a huge problem. At least for the full EV cars

    Yep, I’ve run into inop chargers during my brief time as a PHEV owner. Yesterday Chargepoint said there was an available spot so we pulled up only to find a Tesla occupying one of the slots but not plugged in. :disappointed:

    2021 Jeep Wrangler Sahara 4xe Granite Crystal over Saddle
    2017 BMW X1 Jet Black over Mocha
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  • tifightertifighter WAMember Posts: 3,007
    edited October 2021
    $4.2 billion for 100,000 units implies there wasn't much of a discount. Sounds like they will have access to Superchargers, which is pretty key. I also see that the CEO of Hertz is Mark Fields, former CEO of Ford.

    You have to think VW would have killed for this deal. It will pay for a lot of new Gigafactory, that's for sure.



    21 Tesla 3 Perf / 21 Tesla Y LR / 11 BMW Z4 6MT

  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaMember Posts: 15,530
    tifighter said:

    @tifighter,
    You pay the electric bill? :p

    Yes. My home rate in WA is 8 cents per kWh. Our Y is averaging 3.6 miles per kWh. That's $8.00 for every 100 miles of driving. I'll compare that to any Explorer :p
    Well, that definitely helps! I don't recall the exact number on my last bill, but we've been between $0.22 and $0.24 for a couple years now, so I don't expect it has gone down any in recent months.
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaMember Posts: 15,530

    @tifighter,
    I guess my attempt at levity failed. :'(
    Locally, I never see any electric vehicles on the road in the winter, they are still 3 season vehicles.
    I want one that is good for all four.

    Electric works fine year-round, even in my climate. If they become scarce in your area during the winter, that's just an owner choice versus a lack of ability on the car's part.
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaMember Posts: 15,530
    qbrozen said:

    oh no. Vroom offered $53,274 on my Jeep. That would be more than $6k profit. Dammit. How do I turn that down?

    Is that net of your "all in" number? You haven't done a great job of keeping your hand out of the modding jar.... :D
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 44,622
    edited October 2021
    I assume anything that got bolted on, gets bolted back off!

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD , 2022 Ford Maverick Lariat Ecoboost FWD.

  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaMember Posts: 15,530
    stickguy said:

    I assume anything that got bolted on, gets bolted back off!

    Yeah, true. Those are the easy ones!
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 30,365
    edited October 2021
    stickers cost next to nothing. Tires were $900. Stick is right, though, I'd likely just throw the stockers back on. $47k is my "all-in" number (not including tires). That's sale price, tax, tags, broker fee, shipping, etc.

    I just now saw that Vroom is not taking leases. So I guess I'd have to find an equivalent offer elsewhere. Current reports are that Carmax is offering the best.

    '21 Mach-e Select AWD, '21 Wrangler 4xE, '07 ML63, '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c, '14 Town&Country Limited, '10 Escape XLT v6, '21 WRX. 58(?)-car history and counting!

  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaMember Posts: 15,530
    edited October 2021
    I managed to get through the heater install on the Crosstrek yesterday (despite the extreme pain) even though it took me most of the day to finish it. The great news, though, is that it passed testing this morning with flying colors! This setup should be quite effective even on the coldest of days.

    Next up, I need to add a heating pad to the oil pan (nothing available locally, so I'm waiting on Amazon) and change out the gear oil. Sadly, I also need to replace the rear struts on the Q7 again, and I'm not looking forward to that at all. I have the parts in hand, but it's quite a difficult job even when my body is fully functional, so I'm stalling on that and hoping that it doesn't get too much colder before I feel much better. This weekend, temps were about -5C (around 20-25F) while I was working on the Subarus.
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Member Posts: 3,900
    I did note multi Tesla superchargers as I drove by, mostly unoccupied, at the rest plazas along I95 in CT. There may have been L2 chargers, too, but I didn't stop.

    I did visit Miller Motor Cars (as well as Carriage House), specifically the AM/Bentley dealer. There was a L2 "Bentley" branded charger across from my parking space, I was tempted to plug-in my empty Ray O Vac, but didn't for fear I'd be forced to buy a t-shirt or something for $50!

    I do like me some British cars, though.

    A fond, but bittersweet adieu to my '13 Jaguar XF. And so, I present this laurel, and hearty handshake to the new boss; '21 Audi A7 PHEV. '09 Jag XK , '05 Acura TL, '88 Acura Integra, '84 Mitsubishi Mirage Turbo & '78 VW Scirocco ; all special to me. And, of course, the '92 Nissan Sentra SE-R and '95 Saab 900s I bought for the ex... I've yet to buy a car I didn't like. Although, do I really want to drive a car that would have someone such as me as its owner?

  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaMember Posts: 15,530
    qbrozen said:

    stickers cost next to nothing. Tires were $900. Stick is right, though, I'd likely just throw the stockers back on. $47k is my "all-in" number (not including tires). That's sale price, tax, tags, broker fee, shipping, etc.

    I just now saw that Vroom is not taking leases. So I guess I'd have to find an equivalent offer elsewhere. Current reports are that Carmax is offering the best.

    Oh, I was thinking you bought a new set of wheels with those tires. Yeah, if you got those for only $900, that's not bad at all.
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTMember Posts: 16,737
    @xwesx,
    Ground clearance can be an issue when the roads haven't been plowed, although town and state do a pretty good job.
    2020 Ford Explorer XLT
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 44,622
    edited October 2021
    That you can get in any car. I thought a bigger issue was battery range taking a dive when it was cold out, especially if you also used the heat.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD , 2022 Ford Maverick Lariat Ecoboost FWD.

  • breldbreld Member Posts: 6,004
    edited October 2021
    This should give you all something to snicker about…

    Wife and I decided to get out and walk the lots yesterday, as she’s been thinking of alternatives to the Allroad she has on order. She’s having some misgivings as to whether it’ll be worth the cost to her. For a while now, she’s been considering a lightly optioned 330i as a less expensive alternative - not a bad choice I’d say as long as she is okay with a sedan vs wagon.

    Not much to look at out there on the lots, as we all know. On the way to one of the spots, I asked her if she misses her recently departed MINI, which I already knew the answer to. Thing is, that whole transaction was to take advantage of the strong value on her JCW and go ahead and accept the Tesla, knowing that would be a smart move.

    Well wouldn’t you know it? There was a beautiful used 2021 MINI Hardtop 2 door with all of 1,100 miles on one of the lots that we’re gonna go look at this evening. It’s a “Paddy Hopkirk” edition, which is basically a well-optioned S model in Chili Red, a white top, mirrors and other trim in black. It also comes with the JCW exterior and interior packages.



    2021 Polestar 2 - 2022 M340i - 2021 Volvo XC90

  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaMember Posts: 15,530
    No, no, no. ***Stay Away*** !!!!
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250
  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAMember Posts: 8,260
    I'm not snickering. I'm just confused.
    2021 Tesla Model 3 SR+, 2021 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sahara 4xE, 2004 BMW 330i ZHP 6MT
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 44,622
    I can’t keep up with them.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD , 2022 Ford Maverick Lariat Ecoboost FWD.

  • dad23dad23 ColoradoMember Posts: 724
    You can't have just three cars when the garage holds six...
  • breldbreld Member Posts: 6,004

    I'm not snickering. I'm just confused.

    I could go into the whole thought process, but I don’t think it would clear up anything.

    2021 Polestar 2 - 2022 M340i - 2021 Volvo XC90

  • au1994au1994 GAMember Posts: 2,583
    With what’s in the stable now something small and sporty seems like a logical choice.

    2021 Jeep Wrangler Sahara 4xe Granite Crystal over Saddle
    2017 BMW X1 Jet Black over Mocha
    2011 BMW 328i Jet Black over Tan

  • corvettecorvette United StatesMember Posts: 9,020
    So, @breld, when do you take delivery?
  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Member Posts: 2,121

    @breld said:
    I could go into the whole thought process, but I don’t think it would clear up anything.

    It’s different. It is red! :)

  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyMember Posts: 13,043

    There is a reason @breld is the GOAT of CCBA!

    2020 Volvo XC90 T6 Momentum / 2019 Volvo S60 T6 Inscription

  • andres3andres3 Southern CAMember Posts: 12,881
    benjaminh said:

    Somewhere in Acura's promo ads they said the Integra was "coming soon," and to me that would seem to mean a few months? I think the Civic Si is coming in December, and maybe the Integra will be three months after that? In one of the articles on the Integra it said Acura's already been working on it for more than four years, and so it should pretty much be done.

    I wonder if you could drive the Maverick for some months, and then sell it to Carvana for the same money you paid for it, or maybe even pocket a small profit? And there might be a chance that you'll like it enough to keep it.

    Acura is trying to sell a CPO 2020 under 10K mile TLX basic with the 2.4 motor for over $30K. Is this today's reality?
    '15 Audi Misano Red Pearl S4, '16 Audi TTS Daytona Gray Pearl, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTMember Posts: 15,126

    @breld said:
    I could go into the whole thought process, but I don’t think it would clear up anything.

    You got it all wrong! We want to hear the entire thought process! Details please!

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2017 Pilot Touring AWD, 2019 Tacoma TRD Sport 4WD

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 44,622
    andres3 said:

    benjaminh said:

    Somewhere in Acura's promo ads they said the Integra was "coming soon," and to me that would seem to mean a few months? I think the Civic Si is coming in December, and maybe the Integra will be three months after that? In one of the articles on the Integra it said Acura's already been working on it for more than four years, and so it should pretty much be done.

    I wonder if you could drive the Maverick for some months, and then sell it to Carvana for the same money you paid for it, or maybe even pocket a small profit? And there might be a chance that you'll like it enough to keep it.

    Acura is trying to sell a CPO 2020 under 10K mile TLX basic with the 2.4 motor for over $30K. Is this today's reality?
    pretty much.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD , 2022 Ford Maverick Lariat Ecoboost FWD.

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTMember Posts: 15,126

    @andres3 said:
    Acura is trying to sell a CPO 2020 under 10K mile TLX basic with the 2.4 motor for over $30K. Is this today's reality?

    Welcome to the 2021 car market. I’d strongly consider leasing if I were you. Find a dealer that has a nice TLX A-Spec AWD and lease it for 3 years at sticker price without a marked up mf. You’ll have a brand new car that’s under warranty. It is guaranteed to only lose X% of its value over the next 3 years.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2017 Pilot Touring AWD, 2019 Tacoma TRD Sport 4WD

  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 198,734
    nyccarguy said:

    @breld said:

    I could go into the whole thought process, but I don’t think it would clear up anything.

    You got it all wrong! We want to hear the entire thought process! Details please!


    All he really has to do is cut & paste the contents of the text thread he has going with @jpp75 and me.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 30,365
    Now the whole fam is fighting me tooth and nail about selling the jeep.

    '21 Mach-e Select AWD, '21 Wrangler 4xE, '07 ML63, '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c, '14 Town&Country Limited, '10 Escape XLT v6, '21 WRX. 58(?)-car history and counting!

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTMember Posts: 16,737
    The dealer only has to put out shiny lure and it's like shooting fish in a barrel. :D
    2020 Ford Explorer XLT
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 44,622
    qbrozen said:

    Now the whole fam is fighting me tooth and nail about selling the jeep.

    should have bought a spare.

    maybe they know something though.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD , 2022 Ford Maverick Lariat Ecoboost FWD.

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 19,299
    benjaminh said:

    Chapman Ford in Philadelphia has been offering for the last four months or so a great deal on Maverick orders—4% below invoice. Seems too good to be true, but apparently they're actually doing this. With all the many orders they've gotten there are a few people, of course, who don't actually take delivery for whatever reason—changed their minds, got another vehicle, financing didn't go through, etc. And so that seems to be Chapman's strategy, to scoop up these Mavericks that aren't claimed and then sell them at a profit. Here's what appears to be maybe one example of this....

    https://www.chapmanfordsales.com/new/Ford/2022-Ford-Maverick-846757250a0e09a82ebbf2e4252c8806.htm


    Am I reading that right? A $5k ADM? That must really anger anybody who finds out they could have ordered the same truck for 4% below invoice.

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2004 Chevy Van, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 19,299
    tifighter said:

    I see today that Hertz is buying 100,000 Model 3's. I wonder if they just ordered through them through the website, and used their credit card for the deposit. They could earn a lot of miles that way. B)

    I hope they’re still in business to receive all those cars. Enterprise is killing them on the rental business and customer satisfaction according to J.D. Powers. Personally, I wouldn’t use them after they abandoned two 80 something year old women in front of our booth a few weeks ago and refused to help them with a confirmed rental.

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2004 Chevy Van, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 44,622

    benjaminh said:

    Chapman Ford in Philadelphia has been offering for the last four months or so a great deal on Maverick orders—4% below invoice. Seems too good to be true, but apparently they're actually doing this. With all the many orders they've gotten there are a few people, of course, who don't actually take delivery for whatever reason—changed their minds, got another vehicle, financing didn't go through, etc. And so that seems to be Chapman's strategy, to scoop up these Mavericks that aren't claimed and then sell them at a profit. Here's what appears to be maybe one example of this....

    https://www.chapmanfordsales.com/new/Ford/2022-Ford-Maverick-846757250a0e09a82ebbf2e4252c8806.htm


    Am I reading that right? A $5k ADM? That must really anger anybody who finds out they could have ordered the same truck for 4% below invoice.
    well, if you want to wait 2-4 months, you get something for it. If you gotta have it now, in a sellers market, you need to pay the piper.

    not sure how they are pricing. Looking at their inventory, seem to be some at 2K and that one at 5K. But, that is asking. Who knows what happens if you are sitting there with a big old bag of cash, willing to take it on the spot.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD , 2022 Ford Maverick Lariat Ecoboost FWD.

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTMember Posts: 16,737
    As mentioned before, the Hertz CEO is Mark Fields, who when he was the CEO of Ford killed all their looking forward projects. It's almost like he was trying to kill the company.
    2020 Ford Explorer XLT
  • corvettecorvette United StatesMember Posts: 9,020
    @oldfarmer50 - I think that's one of the unfortunate realities of the present market. If you have time to wait a couple months for a factory ordered Ford, you can get a fair discount. Possibly, if you can wait a year for the supply chains to stabilize, you may be able to walk into a dealer and buy one off the lot. But, if you need one right now, you're going to pay through the nose. I'm sure there is some wiggle room in the ADM, but not a tremendous amount, if there is truly no inventory on the lot. As I've said before, the cheapest Toyota dealer on the east coast is now charging over sticker, even on deals done through the broker that sends them a ton of business.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 54,433
    I think I could make it to Seattle on a full charge, even at 75-80 mph I90 cruising speeds (roughly 300 miles depending on destination). However, my mom's place is another ~120 miles from there, so it'd be a chore to drive to her.

    I am also not one of the weirdos who will go 10 under, not use AC/heat/radio etc to conserve range.
    ab348 said:

    fintail said:

    Not sure I can do better in the market right now than this deal, and it's a car I like. Not a special order, but maybe close to how I would have built it (some options I want are pretty obscure and something to my special order spec probably doesn't exist).

    What is the distance to drive from your new location to the Seattle area? Would an electric be viable for that?
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 5,951
    If you're a buyer it seems like we're in the worst market since World War II.
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2018 Honda CR-V EX AWD (wife's)
  • breldbreld Member Posts: 6,004
    Michaell said:

    nyccarguy said:

    @breld said:

    I could go into the whole thought process, but I don’t think it would clear up anything.

    You got it all wrong! We want to hear the entire thought process! Details please!

    All he really has to do is cut & paste the contents of the text thread he has going with @jpp75 and me.

    It’s nice to have a sounding board - especially an enabling one.

    2021 Polestar 2 - 2022 M340i - 2021 Volvo XC90

  • corvettecorvette United StatesMember Posts: 9,020
    fintail said:


    I am also not one of the weirdos who will go 10 under, not use AC/heat/radio etc to conserve range.

    Same, I don't think I've driven a 100% electric vehicle, but I drive the Prius like a normal car. If it wants to run the gas engine to do that, that's fine by me--I don't make any effort to feather the gas to get it to shut off.
  • breldbreld Member Posts: 6,004
    qbrozen said:

    Now the whole fam is fighting me tooth and nail about selling the jeep.


    For once, I’d agree with keeping a car. It’s such a cool vehicle that’s not nearly as easy to replace as it was a few months ago. $6k is nothing to sneeze at of course, but not sure that’s worth it.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 44,622
    benjaminh said:

    If you're a buyer it seems like we're in the worst market since World War II.

    Don't tell Breld that.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD , 2022 Ford Maverick Lariat Ecoboost FWD.

  • corvettecorvette United StatesMember Posts: 9,020
    stickguy said:

    benjaminh said:

    If you're a buyer it seems like we're in the worst market since World War II.

    Don't tell Breld that.
    Discouraging him like that could bankrupt multiple Denver area dealer groups.
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