Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous

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  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 5,945
    edited October 25
    andres3 said:


    Acura is trying to sell a CPO 2020 under 10K mile TLX basic with the 2.4 motor for over $30K. Is this today's reality?

    By any chance does that 2020 TLX have the Tech package?

    Anyway, apparently you can get a new 2021 TLX base model for about $37,500 at this LA-area dealer. 0-60 in about 5.9 seconds according to C&D. There's also conquest rebate of $2500 on top of that until Oct. 31st that includes your dead Audi, and that can be combined with 0.9% for 60 months. Anyway, 35k for the new TLX seems like it might be a better value than 32k (or whatever) for a 2020 CPO TLX of the last generation. The last generation TLX with the 2.4 has a 0-60 of about 7 seconds.

    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2018 Honda CR-V EX AWD (wife's)
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 44,076
    breld said:

    You guys flatter me - I sort of cheat by getting to count the punches of a wife equally obsessed with car buying.

    I doubt I even lead the punch count anyway - this group has been productive in this tough buying year!

    Having said all that, the MINI was a really good example, but during and after the test drive, it seems my wife feels she may prefer something that is a better blend of sport and comfort. All in all, she is anxious to get into something that feels more “personal” to her (the Tesla doesn’t but it for her in that department).

    We went on to a BMW dealership and revisited the 330i - she drove a 2019 with low miles and then we started talking of order allocations available, or ones in production and due to the dealer within the next week or two. She seems to be leaning toward a nice Portimao Blue one due in mid-November. I’ll report back.

    By the way, the Land Rover dealer with the MINI offered $63k trade on the Model Y - we paid $50,290 for it last month (before taxes).

    and you didn't leave it there?

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD

  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 196,540
    stickguy said:

    breld said:

    You guys flatter me - I sort of cheat by getting to count the punches of a wife equally obsessed with car buying.

    I doubt I even lead the punch count anyway - this group has been productive in this tough buying year!

    Having said all that, the MINI was a really good example, but during and after the test drive, it seems my wife feels she may prefer something that is a better blend of sport and comfort. All in all, she is anxious to get into something that feels more “personal” to her (the Tesla doesn’t but it for her in that department).

    We went on to a BMW dealership and revisited the 330i - she drove a 2019 with low miles and then we started talking of order allocations available, or ones in production and due to the dealer within the next week or two. She seems to be leaning toward a nice Portimao Blue one due in mid-November. I’ll report back.

    By the way, the Land Rover dealer with the MINI offered $63k trade on the Model Y - we paid $50,290 for it last month (before taxes).

    and you didn't leave it there?
    Give it a couple of weeks, it'll be worth close to $70K.

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  • corvettecorvette United StatesMember Posts: 8,904
    edited October 25
    breld said:

    By the way, the Land Rover dealer with the MINI offered $63k trade on the Model Y - we paid $50,290 for it last month (before taxes).

    On the MINI? Or against how much over MSRP on a new LR?
  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 15,310

    qbrozen said:

    Mrs QB said I should take it, but pointed out my little one will be upset with me. She admitted she should have let me order another. Nothing I didn't already know. haha. She said I could just drive the "mazda" for the winter. Yes, she meant the Escape.

    If I sold the Jeep right now I'm pretty sure my little one would need therapy. He sleeps with a mini Wrangler Rubicon diecast next to his bed.
    My son had a Power Wheels Wrangler a few years before I bought the TJ; he's always liked Jeeps.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2014 M235i; 2009 Cooper Clubman; 1999 Wrangler; 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2018 330i xDrive

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 44,076
    my new BFF at the Honda dealer called again today with an update on the new Si. I am surprised they are that invested given how low inventories are to get some random guy locked into something coming in. But he said they found out they have 2 allocated for some point (end of the year he suspects). But not color options yet of pricing. So he is calling me back as soon as they get that detail. So I assume at that point I could claim dibs and pick a color on the one regular model (the other one will have the HPD package which I wouldn't pay extra for anyway).

    no clue when they will have the pricing but should be fairly soon. I don't know why they don't just release everything at the same time.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 44,076
    Michaell said:

    stickguy said:

    breld said:

    You guys flatter me - I sort of cheat by getting to count the punches of a wife equally obsessed with car buying.

    I doubt I even lead the punch count anyway - this group has been productive in this tough buying year!

    Having said all that, the MINI was a really good example, but during and after the test drive, it seems my wife feels she may prefer something that is a better blend of sport and comfort. All in all, she is anxious to get into something that feels more “personal” to her (the Tesla doesn’t but it for her in that department).

    We went on to a BMW dealership and revisited the 330i - she drove a 2019 with low miles and then we started talking of order allocations available, or ones in production and due to the dealer within the next week or two. She seems to be leaning toward a nice Portimao Blue one due in mid-November. I’ll report back.

    By the way, the Land Rover dealer with the MINI offered $63k trade on the Model Y - we paid $50,290 for it last month (before taxes).

    and you didn't leave it there?
    Give it a couple of weeks, it'll be worth close to $70K.
    the way shortages seem to be going, just might be true. And I could be buying a Ford in December (assuming they ever actually build it) even if I hate it. Might have to wait a month or so for the paperwork to clear before bringing it to carmax though!

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 30,100

    I shot an email over to a jeep dealer to see if they are still taking 2021 orders. If the answer is yes, I’ll have to take a drive to carmax and then the dealer formally known as carsense. According to the latter’s assessment, $53k would be the MINIMUM offer and most likely quite a bit higher.

    '21 Wrangler 4xE, '07 ML63, '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c, '14 Town&Country Limited, '10 Escape XLT v6. 56-car history and counting!

  • breldbreld Member Posts: 5,948
    corvette said:

    breld said:

    By the way, the Land Rover dealer with the MINI offered $63k trade on the Model Y - we paid $50,290 for it last month (before taxes).

    On the MINI? Or against how much over MSRP on a new LR?
    Yeah, against the MINI. But to your point, Carvana seems to be offering similar Model Ys, albeit with somewhat higher miles, for mid-$60k’s. So the $63k trade may be a little inflated.

    I still am waiting on quotes from Vroom and Carvana. And it’ll be interesting to see what the BMW dealer offers.

    2021 Polestar 2 - 2022 M340i - 2021 Volvo XC90

  • sdasda Indian Land, SCMember Posts: 5,021
    It is almost beyond comprehension that one can buy a new car and then turn around and sell it for significantly more than the purchase price, not to a private party but to a dealer who is going to sell it for even more $$.

    2018 VW Passat SE w/tech, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech, 2006 Acura TL w/nav

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTMember Posts: 15,057
    conquest rebate of $2500 on top of that until Oct. 31st that includes your dead Audi,

    This made me laugh

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2017 Pilot Touring AWD, 2019 Tacoma TRD Sport 4WD

  • au1994au1994 GAMember Posts: 2,516
    That seems to be a great deal on the Acura posted above.

    @sda I cannot make the math work either. In previous times I saw very skinny deals (1k to the good or bad) to move something over the curb but nothing like this…+12k on the Tesla, +6k on the Jeep?

    Lots of false economies being created in the car and housing markets.

    2021 Jeep Wrangler Sahara 4xe Granite Crystal over Saddle
    2017 BMW X1 Jet Black over Mocha

  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAMember Posts: 8,127
    edited October 26
    Conspiracy theory me thinks that this is going to be the new way. I think the days of instant gratification by going onto a dealer lot and driving home with a brand new car same day are waning. Therefore, there will be market for people who need a car, want it to be new, but can't get it fast enough and therefore willing to a pay a premium for one that someone ordered and decided to sell.
    2021 Tesla Model 3 SR+, 2021 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sahara 4xE, 2004 BMW 330i ZHP 6MT
  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyMember Posts: 12,851

    @28firefighter said:
    Conspiracy theory me thinks that this is going to be the new way. I think the days of instant gratification by going onto a dealer lot and driving home with a brand new car same day are waning. Therefore, there will be market for people who need a car, want it to be new, but can't get it fast enough and therefore willing to a pay a premium for one that someone ordered and decided to sell.

    I just don’t see that being sustainable for the manufacturers or dealers. If that happens you could probably cut the dealer network in half.

    Once the supply chain hangover is over things will return to normal and supplies will ramp up.

    Fleet sales will return, which will start to flood the market with more used cars at reasonable prices, etc etc.

    2020 Volvo XC90 T6 Momentum / 2019 Volvo S60 T6 Inscription

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 30,100
    @breld , maybe you shared and I forgot... how did you get a model Y for $50k? Is there a CO rebate baked in there?

    '21 Wrangler 4xE, '07 ML63, '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c, '14 Town&Country Limited, '10 Escape XLT v6. 56-car history and counting!

  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAMember Posts: 8,127
    tjc78 said:

    @28firefighter said:

    Conspiracy theory me thinks that this is going to be the new way. I think the days of instant gratification by going onto a dealer lot and driving home with a brand new car same day are waning. Therefore, there will be market for people who need a car, want it to be new, but can't get it fast enough and therefore willing to a pay a premium for one that someone ordered and decided to sell.

    I just don’t see that being sustainable for the manufacturers or dealers. If that happens you could probably cut the dealer network in half.

    Once the supply chain hangover is over things will return to normal and supplies will ramp up.

    Fleet sales will return, which will start to flood the market with more used cars at reasonable prices, etc etc.


    Maybe. But, new car sales are a lost leader for many dealers anyway. I don't know that it would present the problem you think it would, at least not for the dealers. I think manufacturers will see value in a more controlled buying experience.
    2021 Tesla Model 3 SR+, 2021 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sahara 4xE, 2004 BMW 330i ZHP 6MT
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 44,076
    Companies need to keep producing though, especially with union contracts. And that depends on having dealers there to dump all the spec units on.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 19,082
    corvette said:

    @oldfarmer50 - I think that's one of the unfortunate realities of the present market. If you have time to wait a couple months for a factory ordered Ford, you can get a fair discount. Possibly, if you can wait a year for the supply chains to stabilize, you may be able to walk into a dealer and buy one off the lot. But, if you need one right now, you're going to pay through the nose. I'm sure there is some wiggle room in the ADM, but not a tremendous amount, if there is truly no inventory on the lot. As I've said before, the cheapest Toyota dealer on the east coast is now charging over sticker, even on deals done through the broker that sends them a ton of business.

    While I could probably afford to pay those crazy prices for immediate gratification, my persnickety nature won’t let me. That’s why I’m patiently waiting for a coworker to replace his pristine low mileage Ranger next year to upgrade my fleet.

    I feel sorry for those folks who need a car for work right away and walk into that nightmare.

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2004 Chevy Van, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • tifightertifighter WAMember Posts: 2,951
    breld said:



    Having said all that, the MINI was a really good example of the model, but during and after the test drive, it seems my wife feels she may prefer something that is a better blend of sport and comfort. All in all, she is anxious to get into something that feels more “personal” to her (the Tesla doesn’t cut it for her in that department).

    When was the last time she drove a 3?
    breld said:


    By the way, the Land Rover dealer with the MINI offered $63k trade on the Model Y - we paid $50,290 for it last month (before taxes).

    I don't need to know this information. Repeat, I do not need to know this information.

    21 Tesla 3 Perf / 21 Tesla Y LR / 11 BMW Z4 6MT

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 19,082
    stickguy said:

    my new BFF at the Honda dealer called again today with an update on the new Si. I am surprised they are that invested given how low inventories are to get some random guy locked into something coming in. But he said they found out they have 2 allocated for some point (end of the year he suspects). But not color options yet of pricing. So he is calling me back as soon as they get that detail. So I assume at that point I could claim dibs and pick a color on the one regular model (the other one will have the HPD package which I wouldn't pay extra for anyway).

    no clue when they will have the pricing but should be fairly soon. I don't know why they don't just release everything at the same time.

    I’m guessing that with no inventory to sell they have to look busy so why not make a bunch of phone calls regardless of potential to make a sale.

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2004 Chevy Van, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • jmonroe1jmonroe1 Pittsburgh areaMember Posts: 3,538

    qbrozen said:

    Mrs QB said I should take it, but pointed out my little one will be upset with me. She admitted she should have let me order another. Nothing I didn't already know. haha. She said I could just drive the "mazda" for the winter. Yes, she meant the Escape.

    If I sold the Jeep right now I'm pretty sure my little one would need therapy. He sleeps with a mini Wrangler Rubicon diecast next to his bed.
    My son had a Power Wheels Wrangler a few years before I bought the TJ; he's always liked Jeeps.
    Yeah, go ahead and blame it on your kid. He had no help did he? :s

    jmonroe
    '15 Genesis just like jmonroe, '18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyMember Posts: 12,851
    edited October 26

    @28firefighter said:
    Maybe. But, new car sales are a lost leader for many dealers anyway. I don't know that it would present the problem you think it would, at least not for the dealers. I think manufacturers will see value in a more controlled buying experience.

    Yeah, many new car sales are losers on the top line. However they bring trades, bank kick backs, service customers and tons of inside volume driven bonuses.

    Also, without any in stock units they will lose their floor plan money which I’m sure helps with cash flow.

    It’s my opinion that the dealers would be thrilled to be back to pre-Covid sales volumes even at the much lower margins.

    2020 Volvo XC90 T6 Momentum / 2019 Volvo S60 T6 Inscription

  • sdasda Indian Land, SCMember Posts: 5,021
    For vehicles being sold over MSRP I am curious what type of down payment is required. I imagine financial lenders are cautious about future defaults as owners can’t afford or decide to cut loose.

    2018 VW Passat SE w/tech, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech, 2006 Acura TL w/nav

  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAMember Posts: 8,127
    Depending on credit worthiness, some will do a 120% LTV ratio. That's why cars like the Dodge Journey, with tons of rebates historically, were great for burying negative equity.
    2021 Tesla Model 3 SR+, 2021 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sahara 4xE, 2004 BMW 330i ZHP 6MT
  • breldbreld Member Posts: 5,948
    edited October 26
    qbrozen said:

    @breld , maybe you shared and I forgot... how did you get a model Y for $50k? Is there a CO rebate baked in there?

    Just lucked into it from a timing perspective. $50,290 (which includes their $1,200 "admin" fee or whatever they call it), was simply the price when we placed the order back in March and they don't adjust that order price based on delivery date. Since then, the price has gone up $8,000, and the delivery estimate is for next August. And we'll get a $2,500 tax credit for Colorado.

    I did just get the buy estimate from Vroom, and it was "only" $58k, so it certainly does seem the trade offer from the Land Rover dealer (for the MINI) was inflated. I got a bid on the Polestar also, and was surprised it was only $2k less than the Tesla, at $56k. That's just a bit above the lease buyout.

    2021 Polestar 2 - 2022 M340i - 2021 Volvo XC90

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 5,945
    edited October 26
    When I got the quote from that LA Acura dealer on their one base TLX they also gave me a quote on an almost fully loaded TLX Advance model. The Advance has all sorts of stuff you don't really need, but might be nice to have, such as a heated steering wheel, front windshield de-icer, 17 speaker 3D ELS sound system, 16-way power front seats, surround view camera, head up display, power folding side mirrors, wireless phone charger, ventilated front seats, wood trim, adjustable adaptive dampers, parking sensors, led ambient cabin lighting, heated rear seats, etc. They were offering 3k off of list on that one, compared to the 1.5k off on the base. That TLX Advance is almost a bargain at 44.3k, or with the loyalty/conquest rebate about 42 flat. As my wife and I once in a while say to each other—"the more you buy the more you save."

    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2018 Honda CR-V EX AWD (wife's)
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 5,945
    After the shocking failure of the engine in the Audi owned by andres, I did think about the electric motors in Teslas, which are designed to last a million miles. The batteries might need replacement in 10-12 years, but the motors are designed to last an incredibly long time.

    "In 2015, Musk said that they “want drive units that just never wear out”, resulting in Tesla changing their aim to one million miles in their endurance tests. “We are very happy with the quality of the drive unit. We changed the goal of the drive unit endurance from being approximately 200,000 miles to being a million miles – just basically we want drive units that just never wear out. That’s our goal. I think we made really good progress in that direction. the drive unit that are going out now and for the last several months have been excellent.”

    https://electrek.co/2018/10/15/tesla-drive-after-million-miles-test/

    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2018 Honda CR-V EX AWD (wife's)
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 5,945
    edited October 27
    One extra cost that seems to go with owning a Tesla is that some are reporting a need for more frequent tire replacement, largely because of vehicle weight and the high torque. According to this Tesla owner....

    "How Long Do Tesla Model 3 Tires really Last?...Under regular driving, 25,000 to 30,000 miles is an overall reasonable expectation. By driving gently on good roads and/or highways, some Tesla owners make their tires last over 40k miles, possibly up to 50k. Spirited drivers may expect their tires to last less than 25k miles....

    And as crazy as this sounds, this is an improvement over previous Teslas. Take the Model S, for example. 1,000 pounds heavier — and with an even more powerful motor. Owners claim to have replaced their tires after as little as 10,000 miles. For context, that’s 10 months for the average American. 10 freakin’ months! That’s enough to offset any environmental or financial benefit of owning an electric vehicle.…"

    https://teslatuneup.com/tesla-model-3-tire-wear/
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2018 Honda CR-V EX AWD (wife's)
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 44,076
    Elon needs to hurry up and introduce that levitation drive system. Like a hovercraft.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 44,076
    In better late than never news, finally emailed my dealer to have him order me a hybrid Mav too. After seeing all the road test reviews, I’d prefer that one given the choice. Should just sneak in for a 2022 order. Might not get built until may, but I guess I can keep waiting!

    Unless I do something else first of course.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD

  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyMember Posts: 12,851

    @benjaminh said:
    When I got the quote from that LA Acura dealer on their one base TLX they also gave me a quote on an almost fully loaded TLX Advance model. The Advance has all sorts of stuff you don't really need, but might be nice to have, such as a heated steering wheel, front windshield de-icer, 17 speaker 3D ELS sound system, 16-way power front seats, surround view camera, head up display, power folding side mirrors, wireless phone charger, ventilated front seats, wood trim, adjustable adaptive dampers, parking sensors, led ambient cabin lighting, heated rear seats, etc. They were offering 3k off of list on that one, compared to the 1.5k off on the base. That TLX Advance is almost a bargain at 44.3k, or with the loyalty/conquest rebate about 42 flat. As my wife and I once in a while say to each other—"the more you buy the more you save."

    I’ve said it before here, but tue TLX is on the short list to replace the S60, provided they are available in August and the lease is somewhat appropriate to MSRP.

    Not expecting a 1% deal, but not paying $750 a month either.

    2020 Volvo XC90 T6 Momentum / 2019 Volvo S60 T6 Inscription

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 5,945
    edited October 27
    stickguy said:

    In better late than never news, finally emailed my dealer to have him order me a hybrid Mav too. After seeing all the road test reviews, I’d prefer that one given the choice. Should just sneak in for a 2022 order. Might not get built until may, but I guess I can keep waiting!

    Unless I do something else first of course.

    Good idea. Glad you got that order in! Did you go for the same color and options, or did you switch it up a little? Do you think you'll still pick up your 2.0T Maverick and drive it in the meantime?
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2018 Honda CR-V EX AWD (wife's)
  • au1994au1994 GAMember Posts: 2,516
    Another sign of the times…The X1 needs to go to the dealer as it hesitates and now stalls when cold. Known issue with the cold spark advance and supposedly just a software flash. But, when making the appointment a loaner is not even an option. Drop off or wait, thats it. Now with no inventory it won’t even be fun to wander the lot. Guess I will have to sit there an work. :open_mouth:

    2021 Jeep Wrangler Sahara 4xe Granite Crystal over Saddle
    2017 BMW X1 Jet Black over Mocha

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 5,945
    au1994 said:

    Another sign of the times…The X1 needs to go to the dealer as it hesitates and now stalls when cold. Known issue with the cold spark advance and supposedly just a software flash. But, when making the appointment a loaner is not even an option. Drop off or wait, thats it. Now with no inventory it won’t even be fun to wander the lot. Guess I will have to sit there an work. :open_mouth:

    How many miles on your X1 so far? I like the looks of those, and I imagine they are fun to drive. What kind of mpgs do you get?
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2018 Honda CR-V EX AWD (wife's)
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 5,945
    edited October 27
    tjc78 said:

    I’ve said it before here, but tue TLX is on the short list to replace the S60, provided they are available in August and the lease is somewhat appropriate to MSRP.

    Not expecting a 1% deal, but not paying $750 a month either.

    If the shortages get somewhat worked out, and inflation doesn't run out of control, that might be possible. But it seems like interest rates might start to rise at some point.

    I'm planning on sticking with my last-gen TLX for maybe as long as ten years or so, but there's a certain appeal for me in the new top-of-the-line TLX. It seems like it's one of the last of the grand gas-powered and gadget laden sport-luxury cars. I imagine that Acura is already working on an all-EV replacement for the TLX that will probably be a bit more like the minimalist model 3, but maybe a bit larger. I guess we'll find out in four years or so.
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2018 Honda CR-V EX AWD (wife's)
  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyMember Posts: 12,851

    That’s why I like the TLX. Has all the tech but a bit old school. I’d grab another S60 but not happy they took away the T6 option.

    2020 Volvo XC90 T6 Momentum / 2019 Volvo S60 T6 Inscription

  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyMember Posts: 12,851

    2020 Volvo XC90 T6 Momentum / 2019 Volvo S60 T6 Inscription

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 44,076
    tjc78 said:

    That’s why I like the TLX. Has all the tech but a bit old school. I’d grab another S60 but not happy they took away the T6 option.

    The new one is a spaceship compared to the prior model!

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 44,076
    benjaminh said:

    stickguy said:

    In better late than never news, finally emailed my dealer to have him order me a hybrid Mav too. After seeing all the road test reviews, I’d prefer that one given the choice. Should just sneak in for a 2022 order. Might not get built until may, but I guess I can keep waiting!

    Unless I do something else first of course.

    Good idea. Glad you got that order in! Did you go for the same color and options, or did you switch it up a little? Do you think you'll still pick up your 2.0T Maverick and drive it in the meantime?
    I need for him to confirm and supply the order number but I assume it will get in.

    I shook it up a bit. Went to an XLT with luxury package. That’s probably the best bang for buck and will be very popular resale. As to the 2.0, will see what’s going on in a month or so when it in theory might show up.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD

  • au1994au1994 GAMember Posts: 2,516
    tjc78 said:
    Jeez. Hope he stopped it before anything worse happened.

    2021 Jeep Wrangler Sahara 4xe Granite Crystal over Saddle
    2017 BMW X1 Jet Black over Mocha

  • au1994au1994 GAMember Posts: 2,516
    edited October 27
    benjaminh said:

    au1994 said:

    Another sign of the times…The X1 needs to go to the dealer as it hesitates and now stalls when cold. Known issue with the cold spark advance and supposedly just a software flash. But, when making the appointment a loaner is not even an option. Drop off or wait, thats it. Now with no inventory it won’t even be fun to wander the lot. Guess I will have to sit there an work. :open_mouth:

    How many miles on your X1 so far? I like the looks of those, and I imagine they are fun to drive. What kind of mpgs do you get?
    Its got 46k on it right now. Its pretty engaging to drive for what it is, plenty of power and handles pretty good for FWD, ours is not xDrive. It gets upper 20’s in town and over 30 on the highway.

    We’ve just never really been enamored with it for whatever reason. It does everything well, hauls people and stuff comfortably, rides and drives good but is noisy. Getting rid of the OEM tires didn’t fix that. Of course the tech is getting dated. It doesn’t even have CarPlay. That didn’t arrive on the X1 till ‘18.

    It would be gone if there was something to replace it with. I had an offer from one of the usual suspects for nearly 26k which I thought was pretty solid.

    2021 Jeep Wrangler Sahara 4xe Granite Crystal over Saddle
    2017 BMW X1 Jet Black over Mocha

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 44,076
    I test drive an X1 back before I got my tlx. Price was good, nice colors. I thought it was the one. But after I drove it, was underwhelmed. Didn’t like the drive (which surprised me), and it was outdated on features. I liked the 330 much more.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD

  • au1994au1994 GAMember Posts: 2,516
    edited October 27
    I did some preliminary scouting and the dealer has a couple of nice 330i’s but she prefers an SUV. They do have 2 X4’s but just ho hum color combo black over beige.

    I’m going to try to steer the convo to Acura. I think the RDX could be a fit.

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 19,082
    benjaminh said:

    One extra cost that seems to go with owning a Tesla is that some are reporting a need for more frequent tire replacement, largely because of vehicle weight and the high torque. According to this Tesla owner....

    "How Long Do Tesla Model 3 Tires really Last?...Under regular driving, 25,000 to 30,000 miles is an overall reasonable expectation. By driving gently on good roads and/or highways, some Tesla owners make their tires last over 40k miles, possibly up to 50k. Spirited drivers may expect their tires to last less than 25k miles....

    And as crazy as this sounds, this is an improvement over previous Teslas. Take the Model S, for example. 1,000 pounds heavier — and with an even more powerful motor. Owners claim to have replaced their tires after as little as 10,000 miles. For context, that’s 10 months for the average American. 10 freakin’ months! That’s enough to offset any environmental or financial benefit of owning an electric vehicle.…"

    https://teslatuneup.com/tesla-model-3-tire-wear/

    I know that on any FWD EV frequent front tire replacement would be assumed. On the company Kona EVs it’s very easy to spin the wheels every time you accelerate. As near as I can tell it’s not a limited slip differential so one tire will just burn rubber all day long.

    Are the Tesla’s AWD? The Kona should be.

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 19,082
    tjc78 said:
    What the heck is that, water pump?

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 44,076
    Either that or part of the turbo.

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  • au1994au1994 GAMember Posts: 2,516

    tjc78 said:
    What the heck is that, water pump?
    Yes, water pump I believe.

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