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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTMember Posts: 17,364
    I saw on B-J they sold a 2021 Wrangler 392 for 137k.
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  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyMember Posts: 13,624

    @explorerx4 said:
    I saw on B-J they sold a 2021 Wrangler 392 for 137k.

    Say what?

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 45,682

    I saw on B-J they sold a 2021 Wrangler 392 for 137k.

    was it a charity sale? Those don't really count.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 45,682
    that Integra might be the nicest in the country but I didn't think they were that collectible yet. Crazy. Looks like new but at 350 or so miles per year, it better.

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  • andres3andres3 Southern CAMember Posts: 13,105
    edited January 28
    I'd rather get the ones on Cars & Bid for about 3,200 dollars discount per reduced horse.

    30 horses less for $96K less? Is my math right assuming the Integra goes for 15K.
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  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaMember Posts: 16,877
    There’s a lot of money flying around burning a hole in some people’s pockets.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 30,915
    stickguy said:


    was it a charity sale? Those don't really count.

    I thought the same thing, but the listing doesn't mention charity.
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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTMember Posts: 17,364
    Jeep was not a charity auction item. I didn't add the buyer's premium.
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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 45,682
    I saw a piece about Ford getting more chips from Global, so up in Malta. And TI is opening some capacity in Texas specifically to supply auto makers and other industry with chips (so I guess the ones that are easier to make (not the super high tech ones for fancy computers and such).

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTMember Posts: 17,364
    @fintail,
    That's part of the new marketing strategy because it's not special unless you have to wait a couple of years for it. :D
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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 45,682
    that's even worse than a hybrid Maverick!

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 19,956
    fintail said:
    That G wagon must sell on pure snob appeal because it’s the only vehicle out there that’s uglier than my Kia.

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  • graphicguygraphicguy Edmunds Poster EmeritusMember Posts: 13,389
    kyfdx said:

    Ours is next week.
    The current list on the website isn't promising.

    https://cincinnatiautoexpo.com/visitors/auto-expo-vehicles/

    Well…that’s just a smattering of manufacturers showing up. On top of that, FIAT is displaying, and they’re barely making a whisper in the market around here.

    I’ll go anyway.
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  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZMember Posts: 5,287
    That asymmetric Nissan cube takes the ugly cake as far as I'm concerned, worst since the Aztek.

    That hamster-mobile Kia is certainly popular, at least around here. I see many of them every day when I'm out and about.
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  • graphicguygraphicguy Edmunds Poster EmeritusMember Posts: 13,389

    fintail said:
    That G wagon must sell on pure snob appeal because it’s the only vehicle out there that’s uglier than my Kia.
    Never understood the appeal of those. Forget the price. THey’re ugly. They cost way too much. And, they’re a PITA to maintain. What’s the allure?
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  • jmonroe1jmonroe1 Pittsburgh areaMember Posts: 4,505

    fintail said:
    That G wagon must sell on pure snob appeal because it’s the only vehicle out there that’s uglier than my Kia.
    Never understood the appeal of those. Forget the price. THey’re ugly. They cost way too much. And, they’re a PITA to maintain. What’s the allure?
    @oldfarmer50 just told us.

    jmonroe
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  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaMember Posts: 16,877
    Given current-day prices and wait times, this seems like a steal. And you would always be able to find it in a parking lot.

    https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/reo/speedwagon/2554992.html

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTMember Posts: 15,309
    edited January 29

    Some pics my son took from my snowy, Saturday commute for your viewing pleasure:




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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 45,682
    kept the traffic down at least!

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 54,866
    It's all about being brash and showing off, especially with the pointless AMG version which in this market I suspect outsells the base at least 3:1 (my build would be a base). My Belle Epoque line wasn't just in jest, we really are in one, look back at the extravagance of that era and look at what the overmonied are doing today. Maybe it won't end the same way.

    IMO the awkward and twice as expensive Cullinan is a real "woof" kind of vehicle (while the Bentayga is just a bland invisible form).

    fintail said:
    That G wagon must sell on pure snob appeal because it’s the only vehicle out there that’s uglier than my Kia.
    Never understood the appeal of those. Forget the price. THey’re ugly. They cost way too much. And, they’re a PITA to maintain. What’s the allure?
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTMember Posts: 17,364
    I'm riding the storm out.
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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 54,866
    I don't mind your Kia. Those are "cheap and cheerful" to me, not pretentious, affordable and practical.

    Regarding the ordering debacle, sounds like a way to breed a little more exclusivity, not that I am into conspiracy theories.

    fintail said:
    That G wagon must sell on pure snob appeal because it’s the only vehicle out there that’s uglier than my Kia.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 30,915

    @nyccarguy said:
    Some pics my son took from my snowy, Saturday commute for your viewing pleasure:

    Cool. A manufacturer who knows their product and that someone will have to be pushing the vehicle at some point, so they gave it a setting for it.

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  • breldbreld Member Posts: 6,155
    edited January 29
    As others have pointed out, it does feel like the M2 market is normalizing a bit.

    The 2017 is a tad steep in miles, but getting into the $40k’s is a good start.

    And the Comp is downright tempting.

    2017 M2

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  • jmonroe1jmonroe1 Pittsburgh areaMember Posts: 4,505

    @nyccarguy said:
    Some pics my son took from my snowy, Saturday commute for your viewing pleasure:




    You can’t fix it by looking at it. Shoulda been lookin first.

    jmonroe

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  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 204,933
    breld said:

    Still a little high and a bit steep on miles, but does feel like the M2 market is normalizing a bit…

    2017 M2

    You could get one of the Wichita YouTube mafia to check it out for you....

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  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAMember Posts: 8,591

    Isn’t that comp the one with the dirty Carfax?

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  • breldbreld Member Posts: 6,155

    Isn’t that comp the one with the dirty Carfax?

    Oh right - forgot that had already been a topic of discussion.

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  • breldbreld Member Posts: 6,155
    If I wasn’t so set on a manual, this would actually be tempting.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 45,682
    the Wichita one has a clean carfax. Just happens to be the same white over black that they all seem to be. Talk about a boring design for a cool car.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 45,682
    breld said:

    If I wasn’t so set on a manual, this would actually be tempting.

    2016 M235i vert

    I could live with that. I like the red interior. Though would prefer it to be an S drive. No need for AWD on a nice weather only car.

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  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAMember Posts: 8,591
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  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Member Posts: 2,409

    @explorerx4 said:
    I'm riding the storm out.

    Nah, you should roll with the changes or take it on the run :)

  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 206,952
    Something surprising about the 2022 2-series.

    230i is only available as RWD
    240i is only available as AWD

    And, only coupe, no convertible.

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  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 204,933
    Met up with @breld this afternoon for some lot browsing.

    I wanted to take a closer look at this.

    After a bit of a wait, I was able to obtain the keys and take it for a test drive.

    Man, oh man, does this thing move. Had it up to 80 on a 4-lane arterial road, and the power just doesn't seem to stop (yes, I know I'm overly excited by this, but I don't think I've driven something with that much HP in my life).

    However, we did notice a couple of nits to pick with it - mainly, the lack of any sort of blind spot monitoring or active cruise control. @breld tells me that BMW equips their vehicles oddly - this one had a heads up display and real leather interior.

    We talked during the test drive, and I may want to test drive a regular (30i) X3. Not that I wouldn't mind the extra 100+ HP, but the "base" engine should still feel pretty sporty compared to the Outback.

    Then, we discovered that one of the dealers that @breld used to frequent had moved into my neck of the woods, so we stopped by for a quick look. Found this parked on the forecourt, which had Mr. @breld quite excited.

    I'll let him pick up the story from this point.

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  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAMember Posts: 8,591

    That’s almost MSRP on that Veloster N.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 45,682
    no AWD 230? Surprising. But works for me!

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 45,682
    Michaell said:

    Met up with @breld this afternoon for some lot browsing.

    I wanted to take a closer look at this.

    After a bit of a wait, I was able to obtain the keys and take it for a test drive.

    Man, oh man, does this thing move. Had it up to 80 on a 4-lane arterial road, and the power just doesn't seem to stop (yes, I know I'm overly excited by this, but I don't think I've driven something with that much HP in my life).

    However, we did notice a couple of nits to pick with it - mainly, the lack of any sort of blind spot monitoring or active cruise control. @breld tells me that BMW equips their vehicles oddly - this one had a heads up display and real leather interior.

    We talked during the test drive, and I may want to test drive a regular (30i) X3. Not that I wouldn't mind the extra 100+ HP, but the "base" engine should still feel pretty sporty compared to the Outback.

    Then, we discovered that one of the dealers that @breld used to frequent had moved into my neck of the woods, so we stopped by for a quick look. Found this parked on the forecourt, which had Mr. @breld quite excited.

    I'll let him pick up the story from this point.

    that X3 is lovely. But really needs some blind spot and cross path help since the rear visibility stinks.

    My son test drove one before he got his Audi. He actually thought it had too much power and was almost scary. I'm guessing it was the dynamics of a "truck" giving the feeling, because at the time he had a G70 3.3t, and ended up with an S4, so he was used to having an excessive amount of HP! We test drove a X3 30i before getting the RDX and found it more than quick enough, and nicely balanced.

    lots of miles on that Hyundai. They don't really do anything for me either. And at this point, I would feel silly driving a kids car! At least the Si now can pass for a mature vehicle, even though you can still drive like a hooligan.

    that is also $2,000 over original sticker. If it were me, I would get a new Si for the same price. But as always, everybody should spend their money on what they want!

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 30,915
    stickguy said:



    lots of miles on that Hyundai. They don't really do anything for me either. And at this point, I would feel silly driving a kids car! At least the Si now can pass for a mature vehicle, even though you can still drive like a hooligan.

    that is also $2,000 over original sticker. If it were me, I would get a new Si for the same price. But as always, everybody should spend their money on what they want!

    Not really a comparison. The Veloster N is more comparable to a Civic R than the Si.

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  • henrynhenryn Houston, TXMember Posts: 3,626

    I'm riding the storm out.

    Storm? What storm?

    Yeah, yeah, I know, the next time we get a hurricane you can laugh at me.
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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTMember Posts: 17,364
    edited January 29
    @henryn,
    mjfloyd1 started the vehicle/band/song link. :p
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  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAMember Posts: 8,591
    edited January 29
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  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 204,933
    I get it. Nice car, then and now.

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  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAMember Posts: 8,591

    Seems too cheap…

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  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Member Posts: 2,409

    The heart wants what the heart wants

  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 204,933
    While waiting for help at CarMax, we had a chance to cruise the lost. Two almost identical Macan base models, one for $42K, the other for $48K.

    And, a couple of full-size Bronco 4-doors. First Edition trim. One was priced at $91K, the other at $93K.

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