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  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 204,933
    ronsteve said:

    @cdnpinhead said:

    Some call it battleship grey, but you need to be old enough to know what a battleship is. Plus you need to think it's good.

    The wife’s Jetta is the shade of grey that I think is being discussed. VW calls it platinum gray, my wife picked it, and was still in her 30s at the time.


    My 2016 Jetta was a similar color, and the 2015 Jetta my nephew left behind is the same.

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  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAMember Posts: 8,591

    My previous Jeep and new one (if it ever appears) will be sting gray which I’m pretty sure is similar to what others are talking about. The granite paint is darker gray.

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  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 204,933

    My previous Jeep and new one (if it ever appears) will be sting gray which I’m pretty sure is similar to what others are talking about. The granite paint is darker gray.

    Shouldn't we all emulate @qbrozen and put our ordered cars into our signature block? That way, we all know what's coming.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 45,682
    My truck is dark gray. And looks really sharp.

    plus in 1/2 an hour I turn an age with really does sound "old" (the "big one")

    Michael, listen to your sister. shop the mini and if you get a strong offer dump it. and go grab the Sonata.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 45,682
    showed some more stuff to my daughter. She fell in love with a Mazda 3 hatch (select model) in the darker blue. That was actually a pretty good deal. 10k miles was $327 (I think) per month with about $2,200 DAS for taxes and DMV stuff and bank fee. Though that was under my account down here. If she lived here probably would have pushed the "buy it now" button! Though she has no place to park it in Boston until early June.

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  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,040
    edited April 27
    Happy birthday stickguy!

    Honda is still theoretically offering so-so leases on the Civic, although they require a large downpayment. By any chance did your daughter graduate from college in the last two years? If so, there's an extra $500 off. The challenge, of course, is finding a car in stock and getting a dealer to agree to lease it to you at this price.


    Probably out of the price range, but the new Integra is going to start at around 30k, and Acura is taking orders now for delivery in the next few months.

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTMember Posts: 17,366
    Civic lease is really 300+ per month unless you make a big down payment(not recommended with a lease).
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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 206,952
    stickguy said:

    showed some more stuff to my daughter. She fell in love with a Mazda 3 hatch (select model) in the darker blue. That was actually a pretty good deal. 10k miles was $327 (I think) per month with about $2,200 DAS for taxes and DMV stuff and bank fee. Though that was under my account down here. If she lived here probably would have pushed the "buy it now" button! Though she has no place to park it in Boston until early June.

    My son's best friend has that car in dark gray. Same trim, FWD. He likes it a lot.

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 206,952
    Back in November, we couldn't find a Civic hatch, anywhere. :/

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 45,682

    Had odd email from local Honda dealer yesterday. Touting a bunch of almost new (2022) super low mile CPO units. Looked online and they had about 20 miles or so on them.

    Turns out it was their way of cheating. They advertise hard about selling at MSRP. Plus the usual $999 or so accessories package. So they took their new inventory and called it used and marked up the price (on pilot was $2k over sticker). Though I guess you get CPO warranty if that is worth anything on a brand new car. 20 miles on it so not. Even a loaner which they don’t do, or a demo unit.

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  • sdasda Indian Land, SCMember Posts: 5,623

    @stickguy said:
    My truck is dark gray. And looks really sharp.

    plus in 1/2 an hour I turn an age with really does sound "old" (the "big one")

    Michael, listen to your sister. shop the mini and if you get a strong offer dump it. and go grab the Sonata.

    Happy Birthday and welcome to the club.

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTMember Posts: 15,309
    Happy Birthday @stickguy

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 45,682
    Thanks!

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  • au1994au1994 GAMember Posts: 2,790

    My previous Jeep and new one (if it ever appears) will be sting gray which I’m pretty sure is similar to what others are talking about. The granite paint is darker gray.

    I thought for some reason your first one was Snazzberry. Too bad its discontinued, its a sharp color. It was 2nd choice for me.

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  • au1994au1994 GAMember Posts: 2,790
    Happy Birthday @stickguy!

    Hope you get something car related for you and the Maverick!

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  • au1994au1994 GAMember Posts: 2,790

    Civic lease is really 300+ per month unless you make a big down payment(not recommended with a lease).

    $300 is not bad at all for a Civic in my book.

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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 15,772

    @cdnpinhead said:
    Well done!

    It's nice to hear of one of these things being used for the purpose for which it was designed, a rare thing, I think.

    Back in the early '90s I remember asking the owner of an E28 M5 how it handled on the track. She looked at me as if I had asked if she raised goats in the back seat; “Oh, no- that would hurt the resale value!” Another owner answered the same question with, “After I spend all day cleaning it I wouldn’t want to get it dirty.”
    Idiot poseurs.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 30,915
    Talk me out of leasing a Charger or Challenger, please.

    Charger Hellcat WB has a virtually 0 MF. RV not tremendous at 59% for 39/10. Looking like 8% or so off sticker plus another $1k loyalty.
    stickguy said:

    Had odd email from local Honda dealer yesterday. Touting a bunch of almost new (2022) super low mile CPO units. Looked online and they had about 20 miles or so on them.

    Turns out it was their way of cheating. They advertise hard about selling at MSRP. Plus the usual $999 or so accessories package. So they took their new inventory and called it used and marked up the price (on pilot was $2k over sticker). Though I guess you get CPO warranty if that is worth anything on a brand new car. 20 miles on it so not. Even a loaner which they don’t do, or a demo unit.

    First, happy birthday!

    Second, how the heck can they do that without Honda raising an eyebrow? They'd have to buy them out in the dealer's name, transfer title, and then take it back in as used. That's all kinds of fishy.

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  • graphicguygraphicguy Edmunds Poster EmeritusMember Posts: 13,389
    nyccarguy said:

    This is my way of bringing balance to The Force. I punched my card.



    20 years ago today

    We must be the only ones who find the zen in red vehicles.
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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 30,915
    Volvo is at the dealer already. First time I drove it, CEL and reduced performance. Lol.
    Great thing is the dealer came and got the car and will bring it back. I can't complain much about repairs if I never have to leave the house for it. Selling dealer told us CEL was on but that they would take to dealer and take care of it. I'm not so sure they actually did that. Codes I pulled were mass evap leak (if related to TSB, it just needs an updated hose of some sort) and, more sever, crank shaft position sensor out of range.

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  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,040
    My wife chose red too for her functional and well-used CR-V. The color is actually called "lava"!

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 45,682
    I miss my flashy red TLX. Car had style.

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  • henrynhenryn Houston, TXMember Posts: 3,626

    Civic lease is really 300+ per month unless you make a big down payment(not recommended with a lease).

    A little quick math, roughly $323 per month without the loyalty thing. Not bad in this market, I suppose.
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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTMember Posts: 17,366
    Carvana and Vroom have been getting some bas press lately for misrepresenting vehicle condition and title issues. They own a lot of vehicles.
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  • au1994au1994 GAMember Posts: 2,790
    Talk me out of leasing a Charger or Challenger, please.

    Charger Hellcat WB has a virtually 0 MF. RV not tremendous at 59% for 39/10. Looking like 8% or so off sticker plus another $1k loyalty.

    Talk you out of it? You'll be lucky if someone in this group doesn't beat you to the deal.

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  • henrynhenryn Houston, TXMember Posts: 3,626
    qbrozen said:

    Talk me out of leasing a Charger or Challenger, please.

    Charger Hellcat WB has a virtually 0 MF. RV not tremendous at 59% for 39/10. Looking like 8% or so off sticker plus another $1k loyalty.

    stickguy said:

    Had odd email from local Honda dealer yesterday. Touting a bunch of almost new (2022) super low mile CPO units. Looked online and they had about 20 miles or so on them.

    Turns out it was their way of cheating. They advertise hard about selling at MSRP. Plus the usual $999 or so accessories package. So they took their new inventory and called it used and marked up the price (on pilot was $2k over sticker). Though I guess you get CPO warranty if that is worth anything on a brand new car. 20 miles on it so not. Even a loaner which they don’t do, or a demo unit.

    First, happy birthday!

    Second, how the heck can they do that without Honda raising an eyebrow? They'd have to buy them out in the dealer's name, transfer title, and then take it back in as used. That's all kinds of fishy.
    That not only sounds fishy, it is fishy -- downright cheating, in my book. And anyone who is obviously cheating from the get-go is not someone you want to do business with.
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  • jmonroe1jmonroe1 Pittsburgh areaMember Posts: 4,505
    sda said:

    @stickguy said:

    My truck is dark gray. And looks really sharp.

    plus in 1/2 an hour I turn an age with really does sound "old" (the "big one")

    Michael, listen to your sister. shop the mini and if you get a strong offer dump it. and go grab the Sonata.

    Happy Birthday and welcome to the club.


    Club? Is that the Working Club?

    Until you’re retired you’re not in the real club. You’re just kids racking up years.

    In any case, happy birthday @stickguy.

    jmonroe
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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 30,915
    Ha. That Charger/Challenger question wasn't supposed to be there. It was a post from a couple of days ago I decided not to publish. Of course, it hung around until I responded to stick.

    I've talked myself out of it .... I think.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 45,682

    You could always get it for me as a birthday present. Though the wrx would be more my style.

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 19,956
    nyccarguy said:

    This is my way of bringing balance to The Force. I punched my card.



    20 years ago today

    That looks better than many new car styles today.

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 19,956
    qbrozen said:

    Talk me out of leasing a Charger or Challenger, please.

    Charger Hellcat WB has a virtually 0 MF. RV not tremendous at 59% for 39/10. Looking like 8% or so off sticker plus another $1k loyalty.

    stickguy said:

    Had odd email from local Honda dealer yesterday. Touting a bunch of almost new (2022) super low mile CPO units. Looked online and they had about 20 miles or so on them.

    Turns out it was their way of cheating. They advertise hard about selling at MSRP. Plus the usual $999 or so accessories package. So they took their new inventory and called it used and marked up the price (on pilot was $2k over sticker). Though I guess you get CPO warranty if that is worth anything on a brand new car. 20 miles on it so not. Even a loaner which they don’t do, or a demo unit.

    First, happy birthday!

    Second, how the heck can they do that without Honda raising an eyebrow? They'd have to buy them out in the dealer's name, transfer title, and then take it back in as used. That's all kinds of fishy.
    I can’t imagine a PUG guzzling muscle car like that is selling very well with $4+/gallon gas right now. That could be a good contrarian lease as it should become more desirable if gas prices go down during the 39 months.

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  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaMember Posts: 15,774

    @graphicguy said:

    We must be the only ones who find the zen in red vehicles.

    I think that you are forgetting someone…


    Whose old hooptie is that?! :D

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  • sdasda Indian Land, SCMember Posts: 5,623

    @jmonroe1 said:
    Club? Is that the Working Club?

    Until you’re retired you’re not in the real club. You’re just kids racking up years.

    In any case, happy birthday @stickguy.

    jmonroe

    Ha, I was going to ask @stickguy to contact you about dues payment.

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  • graphicguygraphicguy Edmunds Poster EmeritusMember Posts: 13,389

    @graphicguy said:

    We must be the only ones who find the zen in red vehicles.

    I think that you are forgetting someone…




    Bless you, my son! ;)
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  • corvettecorvette United StatesMember Posts: 9,074
    edited April 27
    henryn said:

    That not only sounds fishy, it is fishy -- downright cheating, in my book. And anyone who is obviously cheating from the get-go is not someone you want to do business with.

    IMO, the shortage of new cars has made these tactics worse, and has also highlighted the inability or unwillingness of the manufacturers to address them. I'm assuming dealers worry a lot less about getting bonuses for having near-perfect CSI scores when they are selling every vehicle for way over MSRP.

    There is a post almost every day on the Maverick boards about a dealer selling a customer-ordered car to someone other than the person who ordered it with a buyer's order agreeing to pay MSRP at delivery.
  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaMember Posts: 16,877
    This is ancient history but shenanigans about shuffling of vehicles are an old and time-honoured tradition in the auto business. Adam over at the Rare Classic Cars YouTube channel posted an interview he did with Bob Lutz (at age 90!) last weekend and he talked about his time at BMW in the early ‘70s. Their new cars were in demand and they could not produce enough to satisfy it so dealers and export markets were on allocation. They discovered a number of cars coming into German dealers for warranty work that were listed on their records as being exported. Investigation revealed that some staff in the export department were greasing the wheels with cash to have the intended dealer or foreign importer redirect those cars back to them for sale as nearly new used cars. Those individuals got fired. He said the company was rife with corrupt practices back then.

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  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaMember Posts: 16,877
    Speaking of red cars…


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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTMember Posts: 17,366
    Some on here have read 'Arrogance and Accords'. Lots of shady practices at the corporate and dealer level detailed in the book.
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  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 204,933

    Some on here have read 'Arrogance and Accords'. Lots of shady practices at the corporate and dealer level detailed in the book.

    I have a hard copy first edition of that book.

    The first story told are about dealers in my home town.

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  • pensfan83pensfan83 PennsylvaniaMember Posts: 2,260

    @corvette said:
    I'm assuming dealers worry a lot less about getting bonuses for having near-perfect CSI scores when they are selling every vehicle for way over MSRP.

    Maybe in some instances, but money is still money to them. On another board I frequent someone posted his story how his wife's car was totaled in an accident so they were in bind. He not only paid a bit over MSRP but they added a mandatory dealer pack of a few thousand dollars and wouldn't relent. He moved forward with the purchase but then excoriated the dealer on the survey. That of course didn't sit well but I would do the same thing if need be.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 45,682
    shipping is expensive these days anyway. Go for the drive!

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 45,682
    well, if a dealer wants a good survey, they should give good service and experience.

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  • laurasdadalaurasdada Member Posts: 4,007
    Happy Birthday, Stick. Although will it be without a new car?!

    A fond, but bittersweet adieu to my '13 Jaguar XF. And so, I present this laurel, and hearty handshake to the new boss; '21 Audi A7 PHEV. '09 Jag XK , '05 Acura TL, '88 Acura Integra, '84 Mitsubishi Mirage Turbo & '78 VW Scirocco ; all special to me. And, of course, the '92 Nissan Sentra SE-R and '95 Saab 900s I bought for the ex... I've yet to buy a car I didn't like. Although, do I really want to drive a car that would have someone such as me as its owner?

  • corvettecorvette United StatesMember Posts: 9,074
    stickguy said:

    well, if a dealer wants a good survey, they should give good service and experience.

    This. I also agree with @pensfan83 that money is money to the dealers, but it seems like most of them have made a conscious decision to forego happy customers in exchange for collecting huge premiums above MSRP.
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 19,956
    ab348 said:

    Speaking of red cars…


    Is that the theme now?


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  • laurasdadalaurasdada Member Posts: 4,007
    My first new car was an arrest-me-red '85 Mitsubishi Mirage Turbo. Only white, silver/gray variations and blue since. But, were I to buy a Mazda, Crystal Soul Red!

    A fond, but bittersweet adieu to my '13 Jaguar XF. And so, I present this laurel, and hearty handshake to the new boss; '21 Audi A7 PHEV. '09 Jag XK , '05 Acura TL, '88 Acura Integra, '84 Mitsubishi Mirage Turbo & '78 VW Scirocco ; all special to me. And, of course, the '92 Nissan Sentra SE-R and '95 Saab 900s I bought for the ex... I've yet to buy a car I didn't like. Although, do I really want to drive a car that would have someone such as me as its owner?

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTMember Posts: 17,366
    Also in the club.

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