Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous

oldfarmer50

Sandman6472 said:

What happened to your son reminds me of what happened to my Izuzu Opel back on my first day of work at the post office. Had orientation in West Palm Beach as I was living in Boca Raton and the carrier position was also in Boca. Getting onto I-95 at Palm Beach Lakes Blvd., accelerate but car starts to lurch and then I hear pieces of metal fall off the engine, all the while I'm losing speed. Pull over to the side of the road and the car stops dead! Turns out the auto tranny imploded and cost me, or the bank of dad, $500 at Aamco to fix. As if I wasn't stressed out enough, it was the first day of orientation!

This happened on December 27th of 1980 and in early February, a front axle died so after that repair, again with a loan through the bank of dad, got rid of that death trap! Since the bank of dad closed it's doors right about then, took out a $2500 bank loan on a slightly used 1979 Datsun B-210 hatchback, an ex-rental it turned out. But had no choice as I needed reliable wheels and since I had a steady paycheck by then, all was good. And the funny part is, that steady paycheck is still coming in monthly in the form of my civil service pension.

Bank of Dad always had the best of rates but when we built our house we had to combine BOD loans with some from the GI (Generous In-law) program.😂

nyccarguy

explorerx4 said:

Watching this auction. Started strong and will have to wait a couple of days for it to play out.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1998-porsche-911-carrera-4s-20/

Isn't it bad for the car to NOT drive a 911?

explorerx4

@nyccarguy,
It's bad to not drive any car but I don't think this one will ever get driven other than onto the car carrier and back off.
Auction closes after 5pm tomorrow. I'll be watching.

kyfdx

explorerx4 said:

@nyccarguy,
It's bad to not drive any car but I don't think this one will ever get driven other than onto the car carrier and back off.
Auction closes after 5pm tomorrow. I'll be watching.

That's just it.. it will never be driven.

Give me a 75K mile example for $125K (or, just give it to me)

tifighter

The 993 was cool, but was it that much better than it’s competitors from the day? How does that not make this look like a bargain-

https://lbilimited.com/offerings/1992-acura-nsx/

tjc78

Has anyone seen the deals on the Hornet?

24/7.5 - 47K MSRP - $354 effective not counting $599 broker fee (12k in incentives and 8.5% discount)

Would I be a bad son if I threw my mother in one of these (her Murano is ending in April)? I haven’t researched them much but assuming they are selling at all.

au1994

tjc78 said:

Has anyone seen the deals on the Hornet?

24/7.5 - 47K MSRP - $354 effective not counting $599 broker fee (12k in incentives and 8.5% discount)

Would I be a bad son if I threw my mother in one of these (her Murano is ending in April)? I haven’t researched them much but assuming they are selling at all.

It’s not completely unattractive but yes, my understanding is they are not moving. At all.

Hybrid so good mpgs, CUV so she’d have the higher seating positions she’s probably used to. It would be the frugal choice.

How many miles does she drive?

pensfan83

tjc78 said:

Has anyone seen the deals on the Hornet?

24/7.5 - 47K MSRP - $354 effective not counting $599 broker fee (12k in incentives and 8.5% discount)

Would I be a bad son if I threw my mother in one of these (her Murano is ending in April)? I haven’t researched them much but assuming they are selling at all.

Is this an east coast broker? I ask because my brother is wanting to get a CUV/SUV/truck to replace his Elantra. He's also trying to save for a house so he's prioritizing payment over pretty much everything else. Mileage might not even be an issue once his company completes their relocation next month.

Michaell

I had a member post a sub $300/mo payment on an ID.4 Pro S AWD here in Colorado. We have a separate $5000 tax credit that can be applied to leases.

stickguy

Road test reviews have not been kind to the hornet. After a rav she might find it noisy and rough.

I have never driven one but if I needed a cheaper beater/winter/spare car that would be a deal worth looking at

tjc78

Yes - east cost broker. I’ve used them twice

Miles aren’t an issue 7500 would be fine if she was nervous going to 10k wouldn’t be too much of a jump in payment

She is coming from a Murano with the V6. This may feel like a downgrade despite having a higher MSRP and equipment.

mjfloyd1

I was shocked that our city vehicles are Hornets. They look like a much more expensive vehicle. No idea about handling, noise etc but they look like a European vehicle

stickguy

Given that it is a Rebadged AlfA, it should!

stickguy

Dang, now I want to stop at the dealer and look at a hornet. Maybe I get a former owner rebate since I owned a hornet. In 1983

qbrozen

The hornet deals look great IF you qualify for all the incentives. I am pretty sure my last Jeep was more than a year ago, so I would not get the $2k loyalty, even though I currently own 2 Dodges and a Fiat.

ab348

They are not selling at all. Overpriced and I also hear they are problematic. Perhaps on a cheap and relatively short lease they would not be bad. They seem rather small just from looking at them from a distance.

tifighter

Today’s loaner. AMA.

corvette

I wouldn’t expect anything with Alfa DNA not to be problematic. If memory serves, we had two members here who leased Stelvios and unceremoniously dumped them in short order.

au1994

tifighter said:

Today’s loaner. AMA.

yummy

laurasdada

Was it Car and Driver who reviewed the Hornet R/T and, when looking at the MSRP, wondered if that included $20k cash in the trunk?
Not a bad SUV, but the extra $$$ for the PHEV over the GT trim was deemed not worth it.

From a British car (former) owner, I'm still leery of Italian (Alfa, although I've heard rumor that the QC has well improved since ~2020. Was thinking of a Giulia to replace the A7, but struggling (no dealers within 50-60 miles) to really consider it, given the Stelvio experiences here.

imidazol97

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explorerx4

TFL Hornet test.
https://tflcar.com/2023/04/2023-dodge-hornet-tfl-slip-test-issues-video/

stickguy

corvette said:

I wouldn’t expect anything with Alfa DNA not to be problematic. If memory serves, we had two members here who leased Stelvios and unceremoniously dumped them in short order.

to be fair, those members dumped everything in short order.

qbrozen

Who else had a stelvio?

corvette

@qbrozen - @28firefighter got his about five days before you did.

jmonroe1

nyccarguy said:

explorerx4 said:

Watching this auction. Started strong and will have to wait a couple of days for it to play out.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1998-porsche-911-carrera-4s-20/

Isn't it bad for the car to NOT drive a 911?

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Maybe, but so far it doesn’t look like it’s hurting the owner too much.

jmonroe

tjc78

Nothing like a nice nightcap before a redeye flight.

tjc78

Marathon trip. Left Philly at 6AM Monday morning. Visited my latest project and 12 other Los Angeles area stores over two days and 300 miles of driving.

Flew out to Phoenix this AM to check on one of my ground up builds about 45 mins from the airport and toured that market.

Just got to airport flight takes off at 10 (PST) to Philly. Needless to say.. I’m not joining any meetings before noon. Get in at 5 AM EST

tjc78

View from my lunch spot in Laguna Beach

jmonroe1

tjc78 said:

Nothing like a nice nightcap before a redeye flight.

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That looks like it would be worth having 3 or 4 more of those and missing the miserable redeye altogether.

jmonroe

tjc78

@jmonroe1 said:
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That looks like it would be worth having 3 or 4 more of those and missing the miserable redeye altogether.

jmonroe

There may have been another one! Just boarded so I’ll be good now

qbrozen

corvette said:

@qbrozen - @28firefighter got his about five days before you did.

y'all got so much better memories than me.

28firefighter

Remember? Mine had the painted gas door cover straight up fall off at Costco.

tjc78

I have zero memory of you having one. Q’s I remember.

corvette

qbrozen said:

y'all got so much better memories than me.

I might have an unfair advantage as the keeper of the punch list.

sda

@corvette said:
I might have an unfair advantage as the keeper of the punch list.

How many entries on the punch list since inception? What year did it start? Keep up the fine accounting! Very enjoyable.

28firefighter

So, helping a coworker buy a BMW i5. Closest BMW dealer is relatively newly opened and I’ve opened a dialogue with them. Immediately the sales manager responds and, me being me, I recognized the name. Had a terrible experience with this person about 10 years ago when they were selling Mazda - lied, wasted my time, etc.

Do I give them the benefit of the doubt that they’ve grown up and learned? Or steer my friend to another store?

dad23

It can't hurt to give them a shot, you might find out pretty quickly if it's games as you remember or someone's grown up.

mjfloyd1

@corvette - if you want to do several things at once - Bobe’s Farouk (what the Farouk?) pizza. George Rogers Clark Memorial and reinactment of revolutionary war with giant turkey leg treats

https://event.ontaptickets.com/events/spirit-of-vincennes-rendezvous-2024-5-25-2024

jmonroe1

28firefighter said:

So, helping a coworker buy a BMW i5. Closest BMW dealer is relatively newly opened and I’ve opened a dialogue with them. Immediately the sales manager responds and, me being me, I recognized the name. Had a terrible experience with this person about 10 years ago when they were selling Mazda - lied, wasted my time, etc.

Do I give them the benefit of the doubt that they’ve grown up and learned? Or steer my friend to another store?

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Steal it from him then tell him why.

jmonroe

roadburner

28firefighter said:

So, helping a coworker buy a BMW i5. Closest BMW dealer is relatively newly opened and I’ve opened a dialogue with them. Immediately the sales manager responds and, me being me, I recognized the name. Had a terrible experience with this person about 10 years ago when they were selling Mazda - lied, wasted my time, etc.

Do I give them the benefit of the doubt that they’ve grown up and learned? Or steer my friend to another store?

I guess it's worth a try, although those types rarely improve with age...

Michaell

Found this for my friend of a friend with the blown up Accent

xwesx

tjc78 said:

View from my lunch spot in Laguna Beach

Nice! I also like looking at box trucks while I eat lunch.

jmonroe1

xwesx said:

tjc78 said:

View from my lunch spot in Laguna Beach

Nice! I also like looking at box trucks while I eat lunch.

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Really? It doesn’t take much to satisfy you. I’d rather gaze at the good looking women serving my food.

jmonroe

qbrozen

Michaell said:

Found this for my friend of a friend with the blown up Accent

from the frying pan into the fire.

qbrozen

28firefighter said:

Remember? Mine had the painted gas door cover straight up fall off at Costco.

weird that I don't recall this at all. What was your color combo? How long did you have it? I assume, if we got them so close, you took advantage of the great lease deal at the time. How did you unload yours? Mine went to Vroom, IIRC.

explorerx4

That Porsche auction closes around 6:20, so you can check it after 6 pm to see what happens.
A few minutes ago, the first new bid since March 8th got posted.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1998-porsche-911-carrera-4s-20/

28firefighter

I had mine for 14 months of the 24 months. It was a dark blue sport with HK stereo. I did a lease transfer via Ally.

explorerx4

That auction turned out to be a dud. You can never tell.

corvette

@sda - about 500 entries, beginning in 2012.