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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Posts: 16,902
    edited March 2014

    Subies are very popular among the younger people in my area. ANY car with under 100k on CL should get multiple offers. A Subaru should sell fast. Just watch out for flakes, flippers and phonies. I bought my winter beater from a CL ad and 5k miles later it's still running.

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2004 Chevy Van, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 14,433

    @qbrozen

    I have an electric car question for you. Do they all use the same "nozzles" to "fill up"? I'm just curious because at the 1st rest stop on the Merritt Parkway (10 miles from my house), there are 4 - 6 TESLA Chargers (I'm not sure if these are Super Chargers or not). Would someone that doesn't own a TESLA be able to plug their EV into one of those?

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2017 Pilot Touring AWD, 2019 Tacoma TRD Sport 4WD

  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 28,572

    No, actually, they don't, as far as I know.

    And, actually, now I just looked it up. Tesla uses a NEMA 14-50 outlet. My Leaf utilizes an L6.

    '07 ML63, '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c, '14 Town&Country Limited; '18 BMW X2. 53-car history and counting!

  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 28,572

    On that Dakota, I'm going to have to say its not worth it. Clean examples without bad titles go for $500-$1k at auction. Yes, double the miles, but how can you even be sure the miles on that one are accurate given the title. But, let's say for a second there was a clean one out there with those miles and no branded title. What's that going to be worth at the block? $2k? Retail for $3500? Now take half off for the title issue and that's where you should be.

    '07 ML63, '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c, '14 Town&Country Limited; '18 BMW X2. 53-car history and counting!

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 14,433

    @qbrozen

    Thanks! I was at someone's house on Saturday night (friend of a friend). House really isn't a word that accurately describes it. I was basically a moat short of a castle. So I'm talking to the owner about cars. He's not a "car guy." He drives a 2011 Wrangler Sahara back and forth to the train station every day. He asks me if our friend Mike (whose fleet consists of a 2012 X5 ///M, a 2013 ///M5, & a 2014 Alpina B7 X-Drive) told me about his Tesla. I said, yes. So he motions me to the garage and I checked it out.

    I've seen quite a few Model S' on the road, but never up close and personal. It is exquisitely designed and the interior is beautifully crafted. All the technology in the car is just so wild and futuristic. He said he absolutely LOVES it. His only problems so far are the fact that the radio sounds terrible, the blue tooth is just OK, and the fact that there is no engine or exhaust noise makes you hear every pebble that kicks up from the tires.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2017 Pilot Touring AWD, 2019 Tacoma TRD Sport 4WD

  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 20,333

    It seems I see a Tesla every day and I believe there are two of them just in our neighborhood. Talk about beautiful cars!

  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 3,691

    The original Legend Coupe was one of my aspirational cars at the time. Of course, I could only afford the Integra, which was certainly a nice consolation prize! Still may be the best built car I've owned. With popup headlights!

    '13 Jaguar XF, possibly my favorite of all the cars I've owned. But, my '09 Jag XK was a beauty, as was my '05 Acura TL, '88 Acura Integra, '84 Mitsubishi Mirage Turbo & '78 VW Scirocco (my first!). And, of course, the '92 Nissan Sentra SE-R and '95 Saab 900s I bought for the ex... Ok, I like a lot of the cars in my life.

  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 3,691

    Sorry if my prior post seems out of nowhere. It seemed to be "stuck" in my "Leave a Comment" box from...last week? So, I posted it.

    I too see a few Teslas around here, handsome design. A bit Jaguar-like, to my eyes...

    '13 Jaguar XF, possibly my favorite of all the cars I've owned. But, my '09 Jag XK was a beauty, as was my '05 Acura TL, '88 Acura Integra, '84 Mitsubishi Mirage Turbo & '78 VW Scirocco (my first!). And, of course, the '92 Nissan Sentra SE-R and '95 Saab 900s I bought for the ex... Ok, I like a lot of the cars in my life.

  • steverstever Posts: 52,457

    Yeah, you can get rid of Drafts in the laundry list under your Profile. Nothing called "Drafts" will show up over there unless you have one. Then you can click on Drafts and hover and find the X to delete it.

    Semi intuitive. ;)

  • carnaughtcarnaught Desert SWPosts: 3,003

    When I was in the Silicon Valley of California a couple of weeks ago, I swear I saw more Teslas than Fords. I actually like the looks of the Fisker Karma better, but overall I think the Tesla is probably the better car, and not too shabby either.

  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAPosts: 7,413
    edited March 2014

    Michaell - Didn't your ION have a random intermittent problem with the ignition?

    http://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/gm-knew-defect-2004-feds-probe-recall-n40271

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  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoPosts: 171,065

    @28firefighter said:
    Michaell - Didn't your ION have a random intermittent problem with the ignition?

    http://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/gm-knew-defect-2004-feds-probe-recall-n40271

    Indeed it did. I spent $228 to replace the ignition switch a couple of years ago. Will look to get reimbursed from GM.

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  • tommister2tommister2 Mechanicsville, VAPosts: 370

    I saw a headline yesterday about "old GM" not covering these due to the bankruptcy. I hope you get reimbursed (or at least get some money back). Good luck!

    2011 Toyota Camry, 2014 Jeep Wrangler, 2015 Subaru Forester, 2017 Honda Civic Coupe, 2019 Toyota Rav4 Hybrid XSE
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 14,349

    @[email protected] said:
    Seeing ads like this makes me want to put $5,000 on my '97 Outback and see if I get any bites, especially now that winter is over. It's got just a bit over 95,000 miles on it now.

    Steve, if you're event remotely serious, you should do it now before that UP salt chews the car up. Yours is a holy grail in that region! :p

    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 14,433

    The old saying has been repeated many a times on this board. Happy wife, happy life. I think my vehicular purchasing plan has been altered yet again. While September is still 6 months off, my plan as it stands now (according to the conversation I had with my wife this AM) is subject to change without notice.

    My Mother In Law got rear ended last week in her 2011 Ford Flex. Fortunately, she was not hurt and the other driver, in a vehicle with out of state (PA) plates registered to his father admitted being completely at fault. "Big Red" as my MIL calls her Flex sustained $6,500 worth of damage. She is currently driving a "sedan" as a rental while "Big Red" is out of commission.

    My wife has mentioned to me in the past that her Pilot is all too common. Many times she has come out to a parking lot with literally 3 - 5 Polished Metal Metallic Pilots, parked in the vicinity of hers, stood by the door, and tried to open the wrong truck. I've never had this problem, but who am I to argue? So this morning she tells me that it was so much easier installing the car seats (2 year old LATCHed in & almost 5 year old in a high back booster) and buckling the kids in the sedan. I can tell you from experience that it is really annoying putting the kids' seat belts on because of the Pilot's high ground clearance.

    How does this tie into my Chronic Car Buying "habit?" My wife says she's really like to look at something smaller for her when the lease is up on my BMW. Truth is that the only time all 5 of us are in the Pilot is on the weekends. So as of now, the Pilot will become my DD with the Prelude pulling nice day, light traffic duty. We will most likely lease (since she really doesn't do a tremendous amount of driving) some sort of sedan for her. I might be tempted to buy if what we like has 0% financing attached to it. I know she likes blue, so I'll start from there.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2017 Pilot Touring AWD, 2019 Tacoma TRD Sport 4WD

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 40,347

    3 kids across in a sedan. That will make you miss a 3rd row. Better get a big one like an impala. Actually a passat sounds perfect. Comes in a nice dark blue. Huge back seat and trunk. Not too common. Good mpg.

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  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyPosts: 11,441

    NYC, no shortage of larger 4 door sedans that's for sure. I'd check out the Fusion, Impala and Accord. All great choices that can be pretty loaded up too. We love our LaCrosse as well, but it's essentially the same as the Impala.
    I may be off the reservation, but how about something like a Venza? Sedan like ride height with lots of extra storage. AWD available too.

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  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 14,349

    @tjc78 said:
    I may be off the reservation, but how about something like a Venza? Sedan like ride height with lots of extra storage. AWD available too.

    Well, if you're going to start talking AWD wagons, your MIL does have a Flex, carguy! Those things are cavernous on the inside, sit low, etc. I've actually considered considering one, despite my distaste for automatics.

    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 28,572
    edited March 2014

    wait, DO you have 3 kids? You said 2-yr-old and 5-yr-old. Is there another? How old?

    My guess is she'll hate a sedan. My wife now won't go below wagon as her 2nd car and insists the primary will continue being a minivan for the foreseeable future.

    '07 ML63, '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c, '14 Town&Country Limited; '18 BMW X2. 53-car history and counting!

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 14,433

    @stickguy

    If she needs the Pilot when she does need to transport all 3 kids at once, it will be at her disposal. Son #1 will be in 3rd grade & Son #2 will be in Kindergarten next year. So most days it will be my wife driving to work or my wife and my daughter. She might like the Passat.

    @xwesx

    Flex is out of the question. We don't need 2 huge vehicles with 3 rows of seats.

    @tjc78

    I'll have to price them up and see what they come out to

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2017 Pilot Touring AWD, 2019 Tacoma TRD Sport 4WD

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 40,347

    a 1.8t passat sounds good then.

    the other problem is the storage, mainly wrestling a stroller around, though it sounds like you are just dealing with a single seater now. generally easier to toss in the back of a wagon.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 28,572

    '07 ML63, '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c, '14 Town&Country Limited; '18 BMW X2. 53-car history and counting!

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 40,347

    perfect. other than only 2 seats across in the 2nd row.

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  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyPosts: 11,441
    edited March 2014

    I wonder where the other one they built like that is?

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  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 3,691

    I played around with a Fisker Karma, local Jag/LR dealer was a Fisker dealer (for a few weeks, at least!), too. Beautiful design, interesting interior. But, very, very snug especially in back. Small trunk. But, did I mention it was beautiful? Dealer seemed quite relieved to sell off the remaing inventory and remove the Fisker banner from the showroom, well in advance of the marques disappearance. Although, didn't I read that it my be resurrected with Chinese owners?

    '13 Jaguar XF, possibly my favorite of all the cars I've owned. But, my '09 Jag XK was a beauty, as was my '05 Acura TL, '88 Acura Integra, '84 Mitsubishi Mirage Turbo & '78 VW Scirocco (my first!). And, of course, the '92 Nissan Sentra SE-R and '95 Saab 900s I bought for the ex... Ok, I like a lot of the cars in my life.

  • graphicguygraphicguy Edmunds Poster EmeritusPosts: 12,703
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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 40,347

    I saw this in the write-up, and have no clue what it means. Can anyone explain this alien concept to me?

    "glass smooth strips of asphalt"

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 52,265
    edited March 2014

    Something that exists in places that value first world infrastructure. A socialist conspiracy that doesn't appeal to many on this side of the pond, those people who are too busy building things, not taking vacations, and buying ELRs :)

    I really like the new C with those zillion spoke wheels, and pano. A mini S-class, with an apparently hugely improved interior - which was a weak point on the W204 which aged well otherwise.

    Note S-MB 9003 is a "Bluetec Hybrid", a powertrain I am very curious about, but have a sad feeling won't be sold in NA, at least not for some time. Twin gassers for the US launch, no wagon either (don't want to cannibalize GLA and GLK sales, no doubt).

    @stickguy said:
    I saw this in the write-up, and have no clue what it means. Can anyone explain this alien concept to me?

    "glass smooth strips of asphalt"

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 14,433

    @stickguy

    Passat 1.8 TSI seems like an ideal candidate. Stroller in the trunk of that thing won't be a problem. We used to put the double stroller in the TSX when it was hers before it became mine;)

    @qbrozen

    Ha! Perfect except for the fact that she doesn't drive stick. It definitely fits into the "don't see one around every corner" category!

    @graphicguy

    I'm also trying to cut down my monthly expenses. That new C is pretty for sure, but there would have to be some crazy "fire sale lease" on some executive demo leftover 2014s for me to even consider it. Never say never though:)

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2017 Pilot Touring AWD, 2019 Tacoma TRD Sport 4WD

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 40,347

    you can get a pretty well equipped Passat these days (SE with connectivity/sunroof has pretty much the key stuff) for 25k I think. or less. Leases will be strong at the end of the summer if you are going that way. Nice car too if you want room.

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  • breldbreld Posts: 5,460
    edited March 2014

    I can certainly vouch for the Passat and its roominess. The trunk is one of those so large that it's challenging to even reach to the back of it. The SE w/sunroof is indeed a nice model (the one I wish I had got) - my Wolfsburg got me leatherette, a leather-wrapped steering wheel and decent 17" wheels. But the SE adds the touchscreen/back up camera and rear vents; the sunroof model also adds nice 18" wheels and, uh well, a sunroof. The sunroof/nav model obviously adds the nav, but also the "smart key" feature.

    And I'm seeing my local dealer advertising the SE w/sunroof models between $22k-$23k for those models (I believe that's the cap cost for a lease).

    So, how painful would it be if I walked into the dealership and wanted to trade in my Wolfsburg lease on a higher model Passat lease?

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  • breldbreld Posts: 5,460

    So, tomorrow morning, I am picking up a buyer at the airport who is flying in from California to buy the 530i. The last of the three BMWs is gone now (the 530i technically being my MIL's). It's kinda rewarding to have privately sold the 330ci, the 335xi and now the 530i over the last couple months. Only the 'vert was a local sale, and I attribute that to its automatic trannie. The manual trannie ones needed a wider audience.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 28,572

    @stickguy said:
    perfect. other than only 2 seats across in the 2nd row.

    If you were the one who had to sit between 2 carseats, you'd think that 3rd row is a bonus. :)

    '07 ML63, '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c, '14 Town&Country Limited; '18 BMW X2. 53-car history and counting!

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 14,433

    Passat SE w/ Sunroof: MSRP $27,815 (including destination). Invoice: $26,421. Last month had $2500 worth of lease cash plus money factors damn near zero make for some attractive lease payments.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2017 Pilot Touring AWD, 2019 Tacoma TRD Sport 4WD

  • graphicguygraphicguy Edmunds Poster EmeritusPosts: 12,703

    @nyccarguy said:
    stickguy

    Passat 1.8 TSI seems like an ideal candidate. Stroller in the trunk of that thing won't be a problem. We used to put the double stroller in the TSX when it was hers before it became mine;)

    qbrozen

    Ha! Perfect except for the fact that she doesn't drive stick. It definitely fits into the "don't see one around every corner" category!

    graphicguy

    I'm also trying to cut down my monthly expenses. That new C is pretty for sure, but there would have to be some crazy "fire sale lease" on some executive demo leftover 2014s for me to even consider it. Never say never though:)

    NYC....I know the Accord the GF just bought is a super nice car. It's all loaded up, too. Her's is an EX-L with Navigation. I think she bought it somewhere under $28K. I don't know if you can find a better car for the price (unless you go used).

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 14,433

    @graphicguy

    Thanks for the suggestion. I haven't bought used yet (except for the E30 project car which actually turned me into a Chronic Car Buyer). With cheap financing and lease rates, I'd rather put her in something new. One of my favorite ways of researching new cars is by reading owner reviews.

    Many of us here have similar taste in cars and the majority of us scrutinize thoroughly when test driving, so I know if one of you guys picks out a car that it should be on my radar. @breld and @driver100 both have Passats and are happy with them, your girlfriend and @tifighter seem to dig the Accords in your household. I know my E90 is the right choice because @roadburner bought one for his wife and says "he tolerates it." <----- That's a ringing endorsement from a hard core car nut.

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  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,602

    @breld said:
    So, tomorrow morning, I am picking up a buyer at the airport who is flying in from California to buy the 530i. The last of the three BMWs is gone now (the 530i technically being my MIL's). It's kinda rewarding to have privately sold the 330ci, the 335xi and now the 530i over the last couple months. Only the 'vert was a local sale, and I attribute that to its automatic trannie. The manual trannie ones needed a wider audience.

    Breld, I forget, how did you sell your cars ? What online seller did you use ? Thanks

  • breldbreld Posts: 5,460

    I used cars.com to list the cars, and also had the two older ones on the local craigslist.

    I think autotrader.com is more widely used for private sales, but from what I could tell, cars.com has better pricing for their packages.

    I also listed the two manual tranny cars on some BMW forums on their "classifieds" section, but I didn't get any hits this time through those.

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  • breldbreld Posts: 5,460

    I am very intrigued by this car in Montana of all places:

    2005 ZHP

    It's priced more than reasonable, which either means 1) there's some issues with the car or 2) this place in Montana that carries mostly utility trucks doesn't know, or care, about what they have.

    No carfax available, so tough to tell at this point. The "M" badge on the rear obviously needs to go. This listing was actually forwarded to me from one of the interested buyers of the 530i - he offered less than I wanted, but we've kept in touch e-mailing BMW listings back and forth.

    If I could get comfortable with the car, I'd seriously consider a trip this weekend - a mere 10 hour drive from here in Denver!

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  • tifightertifighter WAPosts: 2,701
    edited March 2014

    Is that 10 hours drive counting any snow, RWD and performance tires?

    On a completely unrelated note, wife and I spent last weekend shopping for and ultimately buying 2 'stressless' chairs. I think buying a car is easier...

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  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,602

    @breld said:
    I am very intrigued by this car in Montana of all places:

    Breld, ever consider getting a dealers license ? The you can buy everything wholesale at auctions -- keep them for 4 months and flip. :)

  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 8,072

    @breld said:
    I am very intrigued by this car in Montana of all places:

    No heated seats, I'm guessing it hasn't lived in Montana all its life.

  • Sandman6472Sandman6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 5,573

    I think y'all should also check out a smaller cuv like I bought...mine's the same size as the Elantra, just a few inches higher up. Recently I've driven the CX-5, the Rav4, the X1 and of course my d d, the Tuscon and a cuv might just be the ticket. I do like the Passat and the Jetta in the sedan department. I know back in the day when my three were youngin's, we had a Cutlass Supreme sedan and we fit all the car seats and boosters in the back with no issues whatsoever.

    Luckily, there are many choices out there to choose from. Oh, the "happy wife, happy life" motto of which you speak, I learned that within the first year of marriage and have tried to live by that rule. Going on our 33rd year here so must be doing something right!

    The Sandman :)B)

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  • au1994au1994 GAPosts: 1,836

    @breld said:
    I am very intrigued by this car in Montana of all places:

    2005 ZHP

    It's priced more than reasonable, which either means 1) there's some issues with the car or 2) this place in Montana that carries mostly utility trucks doesn't know, or care, about what they have.

    No carfax available, so tough to tell at this point. The "M" badge on the rear obviously needs to go. This listing was actually forwarded to me from one of the interested buyers of the 530i - he offered less than I wanted, but we've kept in touch e-mailing BMW listings back and forth.

    If I could get comfortable with the car, I'd seriously consider a trip this weekend - a mere 10 hour drive from here in Denver!

    Not bad, but yeah, the price does raise the hackles a bit. Wonder if there is a local shop that would do a PPI? On the other site we frequent there is a few that have retrofitted heated seats. I don't think its all together easy, but can be done.

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  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyPosts: 11,441

    @sandman, that size of SUV really isn't any roomier than a midsize car. That class just wouldn't cut it for a family of five with car seats IMO. I'm saying you need something huge, but Highlander/Edge size is pretty nice.

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 14,433

    @tjc78

    We are keeping the Pilot. It is going to become my commuting sled. The new car will be my wife's. If she does need the truck on a certain day it will be hers to use.

    @sandman

    No need for 2 SUVs (even if 1 is smaller than the Pilot). She says she wants a sedan.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2017 Pilot Touring AWD, 2019 Tacoma TRD Sport 4WD

  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoPosts: 171,065

    @au1994 said:
    Not bad, but yeah, the price does raise the hackles a bit. Wonder if there is a local shop that would do a PPI? On the other site we frequent there is a few that have retrofitted heated seats. I don't think its all together easy, but can be done.

    When I bought my '03 Saturn L300, it came with cloth seats. I wanted leather, so I had them added. The shop that did the work also added heating elements as well and installed switches onto the center console. So, I know it can be done.

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  • suydamsuydam Posts: 4,677

    Yes I had leather and heated seats installed on my '04 Mazda Wagon. Negotiated as part of the price and done by the dealership (they contract it out). It's done all the time.

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  • graphicguygraphicguy Edmunds Poster EmeritusPosts: 12,703

    I remember dealers adding things like leather and sunroofs as an aftermarket item all the time. I had a sunroof put into a Datsun Z (before they offered T-Tops. It leaked like a sieve and the dealer kept bouncing me back to the installer, even though they were the ones who contracted the installer and billed me as part of the deal.

    What a nightmare.

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  • suydamsuydam Posts: 4,677

    Sunroofs are a totally different add-on than leather and seat heaters. Much more can go wrong.

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