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  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 14,122
    This is intriguing: 2016 Focus RS

    345 bhp, AWD, drift mode... A friend of mine is at the Goodwood Festival of Speed this weekend; Ken Block is there and will be wringing out the RS for the crowd.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2014 M235i; 2009 Cooper Clubman; 1999 Wrangler; 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i

  • fezofezo Manahawkin, NJPosts: 10,379
    Stick - does Kia have an equivalent to a Sonata Sport? That way at least they'd look different.

    I loved the 6 when I was shopping. Still sometimes second guess myself about the need for the space I decided with but I love the 5.
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 40,374
    probably a Kia Optima similarly equipped. But I don't like dealing with the Kia dealers.

    the 6 is a really nice car. If we end up with one on Tuesday, I doubt we will be unhappy with it. Though who knows which one of us ends up with it!

    that is pretty much the final choice. The only decision left to make is whether I want to get it for her, or just let her take the Sonata and strike out on my own.

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  • fezofezo Manahawkin, NJPosts: 10,379
    Bite the bullet. Get a 6 Grand Touring and let your daughter enjoy the Hyundai. You'll thank me later. Don't forget the stick...
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoPosts: 171,396
    stickguy said:

    probably a Kia Optima similarly equipped. But I don't like dealing with the Kia dealers.

    the 6 is a really nice car. If we end up with one on Tuesday, I doubt we will be unhappy with it. Though who knows which one of us ends up with it!

    that is pretty much the final choice. The only decision left to make is whether I want to get it for her, or just let her take the Sonata and strike out on my own.

    Nothing wrong with the 6.

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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 40,374
    welll, there is a term we have in project management, that also applies well to shopping for a leased car. It is "scope creep" Fits nicely to the "well, it is only another $10/mo for this, and $10/mo for that". Pretty soon, you spent a lot more!

    The 6 we landed on is actually a touring, with the moonroof/XM package. That, plus adding on the XM functionality, pretty much maxes out the budget, and is more then well enough equipped.

    I could get one and let her take the Sonata. I would not be giving up much. A few gadgets (heated/AC seats and heated steering wheel mostly), and some glass acreage on the roof. But a lot slicker to drive overall.

    It will also be an automatic. will make it much easier to share among the family as needed. I can bit the bullet. Maybe the next one will be a stick?

    still, once I know that Sonata is heading south in August, there is no rush to get another car, and I can greatly expand my horizons. Which is a nice way of saying my wife will be filing for divorce sometime in October.

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  • berriberri Posts: 10,165
    You can't second guess yourself in life. Once you make your decision you just gotta roll with it and not get ulcers replaying it all. I think scope creep is pretty true in most facets of life really. I also don't think it's all bad in buying or leasing a car. When I was a young lieutenant just out of college I decided to save some bucks and buy a relatively stripped car. It was a decision I regretted and kind of spoiled my attitude toward the car until I traded it (for a much nicer equipped replacement).
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 40,374
    I usually enjoy whatever I finally get (and hard to say I rush into things!). But miss the fun of the looking after I buy.

    as Wayne Carrini says, "it's all about the chase"

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  • jpp75jpp75 DenverPosts: 1,436
    berri said:

    You can't second guess yourself in life. Once you make your decision you just gotta roll with it and not get ulcers replaying it all. I think scope creep is pretty true in most facets of life really. I also don't think it's all bad in buying or leasing a car. When I was a young lieutenant just out of college I decided to save some bucks and buy a relatively stripped car. It was a decision I regretted and kind of spoiled my attitude toward the car until I traded it (for a much nicer equipped replacement).

    I did that when I bought my first car as well, I went with the practical choice over the car I really wanted. I hated that car from day one, even though it was paid for and would have gone 200k easily I couldn't wait to get rid of it.
  • fezofezo Manahawkin, NJPosts: 10,379
    berri said:

    You can't second guess yourself in life. Once you make your decision you just gotta roll with it and not get ulcers replaying it all. I think scope creep is pretty true in most facets of life really. I also don't think it's all bad in buying or leasing a car. When I was a young lieutenant just out of college I decided to save some bucks and buy a relatively stripped car. It was a decision I regretted and kind of spoiled my attitude toward the car until I traded it (for a much nicer equipped replacement).

    You are wise, my friend. I think I took 60 years to learn that.
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • suydamsuydam Posts: 4,677
    I drove cheap cars because I couldn't afford better ones. Some of them were very reliable and even kind of fun, like my late 80s Mazda and the early 90s Civic. But I like things a bit more luxe now
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  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 14,122
    jpp5862 said:


    I did that when I bought my first car as well, I went with the practical choice over the car I really wanted. I hated that car from day one, even though it was paid for and would have gone 200k easily I couldn't wait to get rid of it.

    It's burned me a couple of times, but I almost never allow even a shred practicality to be the final arbiter of my vehicle selection- although I'm sure I'll wind up laying on my deathbed thinking: "I sure wish I had bought practical appliances instead of my M6, Club Sport, 2002, or Mazdaspeed 3..." :DB);)

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2014 M235i; 2009 Cooper Clubman; 1999 Wrangler; 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i

  • breldbreld Posts: 5,461
    My $.02 - if you decide to keep the Mazda6 for yourself 'cause you like the way it drives more than the Sonata, spring for the GT. You seem to like sunroofs so much, I think that alone would be worth it, not to mention the heated seats, real leather, and other goodies that come with the upgrade.

    If it's for the daughter, the Touring is really nice and well equipped as is.

    I assume you found the 19" wheels and low profile tires that go along with that to be okay? Unfortunately, no getting around that with either model.

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  • fezofezo Manahawkin, NJPosts: 10,379

    jpp5862 said:


    I did that when I bought my first car as well, I went with the practical choice over the car I really wanted. I hated that car from day one, even though it was paid for and would have gone 200k easily I couldn't wait to get rid of it.

    It's burned me a couple of times, but I almost never allow even a shred practicality to be the final arbiter of my vehicle selection- although I'm sure I'll wind up laying on my deathbed thinking: "I sure wish I had bought practical appliances instead of my M6, Club Sport, 2002, or Mazdaspeed 3..." :DB);)
    I'll bet you will.

    Stick, go for the Mazda and get the stick you prefer. The rest of the family will manage. You know who you are and you've taken care of your own. Treat yourself this time. Your daughter will love the hand me down Sonata.

    I love my 5 but I miss a stick every day. At one point I'll get an old Miata to feed that need.
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 8,076
    edited June 2015
    I remember Sandy uses the Waze app. I tried it and am very impressed so far. I never liked the accuracy of the traffic reports/detours on my Garmin, so I'm going to give Waze a shot. Very nice that it will often it will report a car stopped on the side of the road before you get to it.
  • nelsonfnelsonf SeattlePosts: 104
    I love Waze. Been using it for a couple months now, and find it pretty accurate. The Terminator voice is kind of fun too.

    Currently own: 2017 BMW M4, 2011 Nissan Frontier Pro-4X Used to own: 2008 VW R32, 1998 Jeep Cherokee Sport, 1987 BMW 325IS

  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 8,076
    You definitely need the car charger plugged in--GPS + data usage + screen on all the time = massive battery drain. Also, if people are reporting incidents while driving, I don't think the alerts are a net benefit to safety. If the people making reports are passengers, I do think it improves safety.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 40,374
    yes, waze requires a charger. and large data plan.

    I'm too worn out these days to deal with that. easier to just drive a little slower.

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  • tommister2tommister2 Mechanicsville, VAPosts: 370
    I really enjoy Waze. According to the data usage tracker on my phone it doesn't use much data. It does consume massive amounts of battery. 
    2011 Toyota Camry, 2014 Jeep Wrangler, 2015 Subaru Forester, 2017 Honda Civic Coupe, 2019 Toyota Rav4 Hybrid XSE
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 40,374
    so, discussed options with the wife, and have revised the plan. I have decided to just say to heck with it, and send my car off to school with the princess. I really don't use it that much, and will use it likely even less in the fall.

    So instead of rushing into another payment, I will just continue to car share (2 for the 3 of us) the rest of the summer, and decide in late August what to do once she leaves. That way, I save another couple of month of car insurance, and no payments. Also gives me a chance to get the Acura paid off before I go shopping again. Will not be a huge problem if I have to share briefly with the wife.

    cheap leases are always around. Can just wait for the end of summer/labor day blow outs.

    Though my current grand scheme is to take advantage, and get a true 2nd car. Something fun maybe, like a sports car. Or a little PU. just something to have as a spare (and yes, I realize that I could have just kept the Volvo and had almost the same result. but not the fun).

    not sure what I would get. or how old (no payments is nice!). But at least can have some fun looking.

    all this, subject to change. but the Kid will be excited to find out she is back to getting the Sonata (which she really wanted anyway). And I can worry about later, later.

    seems like a solid plan. If anyone sees holes in it, let me know!

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  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAPosts: 7,417
    Just make sure you ultimately end up with something that you like, Stick. 

    Otherwise, it seems like a solid plan. 
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  • suydamsuydam Posts: 4,677
    Anyone taking bets as to how long till ride sharing loses its charm?
    '14 Buick Encore Convenience
    '17 Chevy Volt Premiere
  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 8,076
    suydam said:

    Anyone taking bets as to how long till ride sharing loses its charm?

    Put me in for 2 weeks.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 40,374
    We did it before. not that big of a deal right now. I work from home, and she works at a Panera about 5 minutes from our house. So if I need the car when she is working, I can just drop her off. My wife works close, and can WFH too if needed, so I pretty much can have one of the 2 cars whenever I need one. When the wife and I are together, only need one.

    bigger issue when we are sharing 1 car. That will never work, but that doesn't happen until the end of August.

    heck, if I found out on short notice that I had to go out of town (meaning, more old people issues to deal with), I could pick up a new car with about 2 hours lead time!

    so, we shall see how being frugal works.

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  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 14,357
    suydam said:

    Anyone taking bets as to how long till ride sharing loses its charm?

    LOL

    I didn't make it two weeks. But, I also decided on the cheap option that stick mentioned (no payments ARE nice), so it was one of those cases where once you find what fits the bill, ya gotta jump on it. It's been a month so far and I'm still happy with the car.

    Now, if only I could get the hitch dislodged from the receiver..... :@
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup
  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 8,076
    xwesx said:


    Now, if only I could get the hitch dislodged from the receiver..... :@

    Liquid Wrench? Smells awful, though.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 14,357
    corvette said:

    xwesx said:


    Now, if only I could get the hitch dislodged from the receiver..... :@

    Liquid Wrench? Smells awful, though.
    Tried it. Nada. Maybe if I could literally soak it in the stuff for a couple days. Another suggested a vinegar bath, which I did a couple weeks ago. I managed to get it to move just a tiny bit (in, not out, unfortunately), but it did wash a fair bit of rusty crud out of there. I'm trying it again as we speak. I think I'll give it a few more chain-yanks with my truck afterward to see if I can get any movement. If not, I'm just going to replace the whole thing; it's just not worth the &*%&!# aggravation. LOL

    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 40,374
    can try heating it with a torch. might loosen it up. though I would take it off the car first, if you haven't already!

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  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoPosts: 171,396
    stickguy said:

    can try heating it with a torch. might loosen it up. though I would take it off the car first, if you haven't already!

    Isn't that what Edd China does on Wheeler Dealers?

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 28,586
    definitely try a torch. The ball bar is solid steel, while the receiver is an open box. That SHOULD expand away from the solid bar.

    Although, I agree it is probably not worth the trouble.

    '07 ML63, '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c, '14 Town&Country Limited; '18 BMW X2. 53-car history and counting!

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 40,374
    Yes, I have seen Edd do it a number of times. I learn a lot of tricks from the tall man.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 28,586
    I was thinking about that show this weekend. That is the one I really miss not having cable TV any longer.

    '07 ML63, '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c, '14 Town&Country Limited; '18 BMW X2. 53-car history and counting!

  • steverstever Posts: 52,457
    My wife and I shared one car for seven years in the 80s and are a bit over a year of sharing the current van. We have access to a backup ride from a friend a few miles away if the car needs to go to the shop, and we're trying whether to decide to keep the van as a "pickup" when we finally get a new (and smaller) ride.

    A spare could be handy but I'd really rather not have to stick two cars in the garage and with all the critters chewing the wiring around the neighborhood, I don't want to park one outside full time if I can help it.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 40,374
    Once daughter goes back I will have an empty bay. That goes against the laws of nature. not filling it with junk, so will need a car instead!

    We also don't have chewing critter issues.

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  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 14,272
    qbrozen said:

    I was thinking about that show this weekend. That is the one I really miss not having cable TV any longer.

    Most episodes are on YouTube, but I find watching there not quite the same.

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  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 14,272
    stickguy said:

    Once daughter goes back I will have an empty bay. That goes against the laws of nature. not filling it with junk, so will need a car instead!

    We also don't have chewing critter issues.

    In your situation I might be tempted to get a truck. As a homeowner it would be very useful for hauling stuff.

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6, 1968 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Holiday Coupe

  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 14,357
    edited June 2015
    stickguy said:

    can try heating it with a torch. might loosen it up. though I would take it off the car first, if you haven't already!

    Yeah, I considered the torch option, but that's definitely tricky with the clearances I have on this car, and if I took the time to remove the thing, there's no way I would bother with it after that. At ~$150 for a new receiver (and a Class III at that), it's just not worth the time. Besides, it's easy to get leverage on something like this when it is attached to a 3500# anchor. Once removed from the car? Not so much. LOL

    Anyhow, SUCCESS!!!! After a 36-hour soak in the vinegar bath and four yanks with a chain attached to my C20, the fifth pull had it free this morning. I was in a hurry, so I did not get a chance to inspect the condition of the receiver, but the hitch itself actually looked pretty good. A wire brush, oil, and some elbow grease should have it back in business.

    It was actually a really great feeling as I was coming to a stop after the fifth pull, thinking that the chain had come loose again (it came loose after the second pull), to hear my son yelling, "You did it, dad! It came out!!!" B)

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America I70 & I75 Posts: 25,268
    xwesx said:

    1974 Pinto wagon.

    I just read your signature line and noticed the '74 Pinto. Have you posted pictures of it?

    I don't believe I've seen more than 1 Pinto of any body style at the summer cruise ins
    I have hit in the last year. I'd estimate 2000 vehicles or more and don't recall a Pinto.
    Mavericks, a few.

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  • slorenzenslorenzen Posts: 694

    xwesx said:

    1974 Pinto wagon.

    I just read your signature line and noticed the '74 Pinto. Have you posted pictures of it?

    I don't believe I've seen more than 1 Pinto of any body style at the summer cruise ins
    I have hit in the last year. I'd estimate 2000 vehicles or more and don't recall a Pinto.
    Mavericks, a few.

    That's because they all got rear-ended and exploded...

    :p
  • steverstever Posts: 52,457
    edited June 2015
    stickguy said:

    Once daughter goes back I will have an empty bay. That goes against the laws of nature. not filling it with junk, so will need a car instead!

    We also don't have chewing critter issues.

    Yep, it's the law for sure - my other bay is more than half full.

    My sister had about $4,000 worth of wiring problems with mice or something chewing in her engine compartment and she's back in NE Virginia. Some say Subarus have tasty wiring anyway though. :) I got major brownie points for telling her to call her insurance company and they covered it.

    Emailed the local Honda dealer to see if the two HR-Vs in their online inventory are really in stock. That was an hour ago and no reply yet.

  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 14,357
    stever said:

    Some say Subarus have tasty wiring anyway though. :)

    Cayenne pepper in an aqueous solution. Spray it onto surfaces that you do not want critters chewing/accessing. It is amazingly effective, and imagining the horrible suffering they experience upon their one and only attempt brings me an evil satisfaction. B)
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  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 14,357
    edited June 2015

    I just read your signature line and noticed the '74 Pinto. Have you posted pictures of it?

    Oh, no.... we're not going there again!

    My poor old pinto has visited here a time or two. It's not show material. :p

    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America I70 & I75 Posts: 25,268
    slorenzen said:


    That's because they all got rear-ended and exploded...

    I would suspect they rusted away too quickly to be saved
    in many cases as a more likely event.

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  • steverstever Posts: 52,457
    edited June 2015
    xwesx said:

    stever said:

    Some say Subarus have tasty wiring anyway though. :)

    Cayenne pepper
    I'd probably have to move again if the locals caught me feeding "chiles" of any sort to the critters. :D

  • nelsonfnelsonf SeattlePosts: 104
    qbrozen said:

    I was thinking about that show this weekend. That is the one I really miss not having cable TV any longer.

    Same here. It's available on iTunes at least.

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  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 8,076
    ab348 said:


    Most episodes are on YouTube, but I find watching there not quite the same.

    Get a Chromecast! Best $30 I ever spent.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 28,586
    oh, I HATE the chromecast. It is sitting in a box somewhere now. I tried that very briefly before a Roku came up on discount one day. LOVE the Roku. Wound up getting 1 for the bedroom later, too.

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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 40,374
    man, the women in my family. Can't please them. sprung the plan du jour on the princess. Apparently she was all psyched for a 6. But will probably come around to getting the Sonata after all. Not that she trusts me at this point, since the plan seems to change day to day (well, I guess that is accurate). At this point, she has removed herself from the process, and will take whatever I give her the keys to!

    Wife just got tired of hearing from her, and would just go buy another car to be done with it, money be damned.

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  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 8,076
    edited June 2015
    qbrozen said:

    oh, I HATE the chromecast. It is sitting in a box somewhere now. I tried that very briefly before a Roku came up on discount one day. LOVE the Roku. Wound up getting 1 for the bedroom later, too.

    The killer app with the Chromecast, for me, was being able to cast any browser tab from my laptop onto the TV. All those online video sites that aren't native to your DVD player or smart TV, you can just play on your computer and cast to the Chromecast.

    The rear entertainment system in my Yukon only has RCA cable hookups. No HDMI. I think you can play a DVD from the audio system. Guess I will have to get some type of adapter if my dog wants to watch movies from the laptop/tablet back there.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 176,912
    stickguy said:

    man, the women in my family. Can't please them. sprung the plan du jour on the princess. Apparently she was all psyched for a 6. But will probably come around to getting the Sonata after all. Not that she trusts me at this point, since the plan seems to change day to day (well, I guess that is accurate). At this point, she has removed herself from the process, and will take whatever I give her the keys to!

    Wife just got tired of hearing from her, and would just go buy another car to be done with it, money be damned.

    Maybe a Prius will shut her up? ;)

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