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Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous

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  • I nominate the Accord to be added.... We signed for it on 12-23.... Close enough to 2013?

    Sandman: we've lost count too. Each time we say, "we are keeping this car"... Although the recent moves were prompted by the new baby. Up to that point, we were content with the Prius and Tiguan. It is our first Toyota van, hoping for the best.
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Posts: 10,228
    Firetruck---that would get you noticed. You could consider a used hearse as well.

    Vette---nice. I wonder the hp rating on that new 350.

    2015 Mustang GT, 2009 PT Cruiser, 2004 Chevy Van

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Posts: 10,228
    "...not the best year, may be the understatement of the year..."

    Either the 75 or the 76 only had 165hp. That's shockingly bad from a 5.7L.

    2015 Mustang GT, 2009 PT Cruiser, 2004 Chevy Van

  • michaellnomichaellno Posts: 4,300
    I nominate the Accord to be added.... We signed for it on 12-23.... Close enough to 2013?

    I'm no stickler for protocol ... here's the updated list. Anon, what trim level is the Accord? Buy or lease?

    12/23/12 anon 2013 Honda Accord
    01/xx/13 steine13 2013 Chevrolet Cruze LS (lease)
    01/08/13 breld 2011 BMW 335xi
    01/15/13 breld 2010 BMW 328xi wagon
    01/18/13 qbrozen 2013 Nissan Leaf (lease)
    01/19/13 anon 2013 Toyota Sienna (lease)

    If y'all can give me the information, I'll be happy to include the 2012 punches in a separate list (stick, this means I'll get your 2 ... or 3 ... or 4 punches .. do we count 2 RDX's?).
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 23,040
    edited January 2013
    For some reason, Pontiac never seemed to put much effort into performance for their 350 engines. Usually it was the 400 or 455 (or in later years the 301 turbo) where they put the most effort.

    Pontiac's 350 came out in 1968, with either 265 or 320 hp. I'm guessing one was a 2-bbl and the other was a fairly hot 4-bbl. In '69 it had 265, 325, or 330 hp. In '70 it was just a 2-bbl 255 hp version. By the time they went to net hp, it was down to 160 hp in '72.

    There was a 200 hp 350 in 1974, which I guess could be called somewhat "hot", as the 2-bbl only had 155 hp, and the base 4-bbl had 170. I think this was the engine they used in the Nova/Ventura-based GTO.

    At some point, the 350-4bbl was only offered in California/high altitude areas. Not sure when that started, but my '76 LeMans is one of those. I'm not sure how much hp my car has, though. My Consumer Guide auto encyclopedia lists it at 165 hp, but the big blue "Motor's" repair manual lists it at 175. The 2-bbl 49 state engine was 160.

    As for 1975, that year's 350-2bbl put out 155 hp. The 4-bbl was 175. Pathetic by today's standards, but pretty par for the course in the mid 70's
  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 5,584
    "Either the 75 or the 76 only had 165hp. That's shockingly bad from a 5.7L."

    As Jeremy Clarkson would say, "how do they get so little power from an engine?" :P
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Congrats on the new Lotus Evora wagon. ;)
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,721
    edited January 2013
    "Either the 75 or the 76 only had 165hp. That's shockingly bad from a 5.7L."

    As Jeremy Clarkson would say, "how do they get so little power from an engine?" :P


    Probably because SMOG controls probably resulted in a 350 that could only spin 4k rpm. I'm sure the torque output was good for the time. But since HP is just a calculation based off torque output, if you limit the RPM or if the torque output drops off quickly at higher rpm, you will severely limit HP.

    The 350 is one of my favorite GM engines. It's a strong, reliable, and flexible engine overall.

    I'm impressed with the 300hp 350 in my boat. It has good torque, and doesn't seem to mind being pushed. It feels like it can run 4k rpm all day. Though it does start to sound a bit strained around 5k rpm, but it will run 5,200 rpm.
  • breldbreld Posts: 3,279
    I am still in awe of Breld. 2 nice BMWs in 1 week? I nearly lost my mind (and wallet..) with 3 punches in 2012, and one of those was only $2,500, and another was only about $800 net OOP!

    We're kinda in awe ourselves that these vehicles came available in such a close timeframe to each other, much less locally.

    I'm not suggesting that we didn't lose out economically by trading in the A5 and X3 after short ownerships, but since they were such nice cars, it was essentially a net $0 OOP to get out of those "ordinary" cars and into our "dream" BMWs. Nice deal.

    2017 Durango R/T - 2017 Civic Type R - 2016 MB GLC300 - 2012 Mini Hardtop - 2016 Jetta (daughter's)

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Posts: 10,228
    "...much effort into performance..."

    Didn't Pontiac have a 6cyl. In the late 60s that put out 215hp? I think they put it in the firebird. Not bad for a 6.

    The mid to late 70s was dismal all around.

    2015 Mustang GT, 2009 PT Cruiser, 2004 Chevy Van

  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 10,296
    Didn't Pontiac have a 6cyl. In the late 60s that put out 215hp? I think they put it in the firebird. Not bad for a 6.

    That would be the OHC Sprint motor. A really nice engine, but unjustly overshadowed by the mega-horsepower V8s of the period. Read more here.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport / 2014 M235i / 1999 Wrangler / 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2016 i3 REX/2009 Cooper Clubman Son's: 2009 328i

  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,937
    C+D actually put one of those in an E-Type Jag.
    - Ray
    Oddity, indeed.....
    2016 BMW 340i
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 23,040
    Yeah, it started life in 1966 as a 230 CID engine, offered in the Tempest/LeMans, with 207 hp. For 1967, it went to 215 hp and was offered in the Firebird as well. For '68 it was stroked to 250 CID, but still with 215 hp. For 1969, it peaked out at 230 hp.

    Those were very good numbers, for a 6-cyl. Most of them only put out around 140-155 hp.

    And, while those were gross numbers, that 215-230 hp probably translates to around 140-160 net. So, still in range of what some ~350 CID engines were putting out in the mid-70's.

    I've heard that the OHC-6 tended to go through timing belts every 20-30,000 miles. But other than that, I haven't heard anything bad about it. I'd imagine it's an interference engine though, so that could throw a wrench into things, if you're not religious about changing those belts!

    And, I wonder if the problem with the belts was that, simply, the material wasn't as good in those days? If you had one of those engines today, I wonder if the improved materials would yield a longer lasting belt? Or, was it just something about the engine that was hard on them?
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 25,383
    1975 was not the high water mark.

    but compared to the L6 Gremlin and Toyota Corolla I had (both '75s) I am sure the Vette still sounded and felt like a rocket ship.

    2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4i Limited Tech (mine), 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's) and 2015 Jetta Sport (daughter's)

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 25,383
    I think I hit 2 milestones today on my last "punch". I believe the Integra is now officially with me for 1 month (I had it a week longer I think before I could get to the DMV to register it). So consider it a 1 month anniversary.

    and I hit 100 miles on it today! At the pace I am going, it might be the Ides of March before I need to put gas in it again (does gas spoil like milk?)

    2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4i Limited Tech (mine), 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's) and 2015 Jetta Sport (daughter's)

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Add some sta-bil to your gas to help it last longer.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 25,383
    It's a small tank, and I never let it get that low. I think I can get by without it.

    2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4i Limited Tech (mine), 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's) and 2015 Jetta Sport (daughter's)

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 25,383
    driving my "old fashioned" car (a MY 2000 is old fashioned, right?) I realized how used to some features I have become.

    it is a shock to not have keyless entry (let alone comfort access/push button start, which my wife is now addicted to), an outside temp gauge, radio that tells you what song is playing, stereo controls on the steering wheel, TPM (I absolutely love this!), auto lights, a trip computer with multi functions, and probably some more stuff that I am forgetting. And other than the TPM and push button start, my '07 Volvo has all the other stuff.

    I need my luxury darned it. Plus a car that is not 3" off the ground. You know how hard it is to haul an old carcass out of a low slung bolstered sports seat?

    2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4i Limited Tech (mine), 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's) and 2015 Jetta Sport (daughter's)

  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 6,416
    My 04 is completely loaded for its time, but yes there are some newer things I miss.

    Cooled seats
    XM
    Nav
    TPMS
    Back up cam/parking sensors
    #1 though is Bluetooth!

    In the spring I'm installing a Navigation/XM/Bluetooth unit. This will help out a lot.

    2017 Buick Enclave / 2017 Hyundai Elantra

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 25,383
    some of those I have never had, and don't really care all that much (cooled seats and Navi). I don't even use AC much, and am fine with a garmin.

    Bluetooth is nice, but in the RDX I never sync my phone. My daughter sometimes streams to it though.

    I forgot the back up cam. Love that on the RDX.

    2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4i Limited Tech (mine), 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's) and 2015 Jetta Sport (daughter's)

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 11,334
    edited January 2013
    I'm with you stickguy. I love my 2001 Prelude Type SH. It is lightweight, tossable, & has a slick shifting 5 speed manual transmission.

    My BMW has pretty much everything: Automatic Dual Zone Climate Control, 3 Stage Heated Front Seats, Leather, Heated Steering Wheel, Navigation, Bluetooth, Tire Pressure Monitoring System, Trip Computer (with avg speed, avg mpg, & distance to empty), smart cruise control, power folding mirrors, auto leveling Bi-Xenon headlights that swivel, automatic transmission, a sophisticated (rear wheel drive based) AWD system, traction control, stability control, power seats, iPod integration...

    The BMW is also a fantastic driving car & is perfect as my daily driver. My only problem with it is that my wife has a set of keys to it too (good thing I leave before everybody gets up). I'm glad I only drive the prelude when I WANT to now.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Infiniti G37x Q40 AWD

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I think we are spoiled.

    My house doesn't have keyless entry.

    My sofa is not heated or cooled. No power adjustments either.

    Bluetooth? LOL.

    Single zone A/C and heat at home, not dual, much less 3 zone like my van.

    The doors at home do not open and close with power sliders.

    Lights do not swivel in the direction I'm heading, though at least they are equipped with motion sensors.

    So basically our vehicles are better equipped than our houses.
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Posts: 10,228
    Either one will stand out on cruise night.

    http://albany.craigslist.org/cto/3562937204.html

    2015 Mustang GT, 2009 PT Cruiser, 2004 Chevy Van

  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    edited January 2013
    The doors at home do not open and close with power sliders.

    I have a wide shed where I keep the mower and garbage cans and stuff. It has a sliding barn door which is real handy this time of the year, since I can just move one shovel's width of snow to get it open.

    Back to the topic, I've changed houses twice as many times (4) in the last 15 years as cars.
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Posts: 10,228
    "...I need my luxury..."

    Just more stuff to break down. :lemon:

    There's something to be said for the simplicity of a 88 van with no AT, no AC and no radio (broke last year). Nothing but a man and his thoughts.

    2015 Mustang GT, 2009 PT Cruiser, 2004 Chevy Van

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Here's the funny thing - for me it depends on the car.

    My new Miata has a bunch of new features I never use. I miss the simplicity of the old one. It was lighter, more pure. I dunno, hard to explain.

    For the van I want EVERYTHING. Power shoe polisher, even.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 25,383
    I would be insulted if I got shoved into a ratty old buick for my final car ride!

    2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4i Limited Tech (mine), 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's) and 2015 Jetta Sport (daughter's)

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 25,383
    I don't need "everything". Just some comfort, and the "basics" as I now see them.

    I can live with less than what the RDX has. maybe.

    2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4i Limited Tech (mine), 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's) and 2015 Jetta Sport (daughter's)

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    My first new car out of college had only a few requirements:

    * manual trans
    * tachometer
    * A/C
    * cassette player

    That's it!

    Now I want a back massager, heating seats and steering wheel, and an accelerator pedal that gives me foot rubs. LOL
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 25,383
    heck, I bought a new 1985 Colt that did not have the AC or the radio. It did have the other 2 items.

    I think it came with no radio. I do know that I had one put in, but i suppose that could have been an upgrade?

    I am sure about the AC though! Also had no PS, and man, did it handle good. Don't get steering like that anymore.

    maybe instead of electric PS, just skip power all together, and save more gas?

    2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4i Limited Tech (mine), 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's) and 2015 Jetta Sport (daughter's)

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