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VW Jetta TDI



  • jogousajogousa Posts: 402
    I've added "hot" cig. lighter between the front seats - just for that purpose; i.e. charging cell phones and such.... You can tap into "hot" wires under the passenger seat and, after proper fusing, bring aftermarket cig. outlet next to the cup holders.
  • asaasa Posts: 359
    Thank you for mentioning the engine break in. We avoided a long haul on the Interstate highway coming home from the Dealer by taking local roads and continue to do a mix of driving with no high speeds and no constant speeds.

    We can feel that there's a lot of untapped power waiting to be enjoyed someday soon! :)
  • jogousajogousa Posts: 402
    edited May 2010
    Interesting link - but - obviously not properly fused for low voltage and amp charging.

    To the best of my knowledge (and correct me if I am wrong) cigarette car chargers are wired to supply 12 V and appx 10 Amp while typical USB outlet is appx 5 V and 0.2 or 0.3 Amps (A/C-D/C converters for cellphones charges are usually configured to bring 120 V household current to 5 V and 0.2 Amp).

    Had the Suburban owner used DC/DC converter to bring voltage down to 5V and Amps to 0.2 the fire would not happen because that is what the device calls for, when charging.

    So for all of you out there who have "live" cigarette outlets, if you leave your devices plugged in overnight, make sure you get a DC/DC converter. There are many of them on the market where you can select proper Voltage and Amp values for your devices.

    And that is why I pointed out "properly fused" in my earlier post.

    Great to bring this subject up anyway....
  • shriftyshrifty Posts: 255
    Currently I'm in the process of having Laser Shifters installed (for scientific research purposes of course) and am looking to find a way to hardwire the power cables for the shifter into the center console since we need a 12V power source. We were able to remove the side panels to the console, but were not able to figure out how to remove the power adapter or figure out where we would need to attach our cables to. Does anyone have any information that could assist in this research?
  • shriftyshrifty Posts: 255
    We decided to take the easy route and purchased a 12V plug and wired it up that way. Seemed easier than tearing into the electric system of the vehicle.
  • jogousajogousa Posts: 402
    edited May 2010
    A simple elec. wiring tester would determine which wires to tap into. I have 2 of them and over the years they provided a valuable service to me not only to show me which wires are "hot" but also which wires are on the same circuit.

    I have "hard wired" my Garmin GPS, BlueTooth cell phone remote and radar detector by tapping into "hot" wires that were nearby or directly to the fuse box adding a fuse here and there. That keeps the cig. lighter open and available not to mention un-cluttered no wire appearance.
  • shriftyshrifty Posts: 255
    It would be nice to have a completely no wire appearance, however I still need the portability from one vehicle to another. Of course, I could just purchase another set of cables for the other vehicles.... Didn't think of that until just now.

    On an unrelated note, I just got back from Baie Comeau in Quebec, very scenic drive to take the TDI on :) Was planning on heading up to Labrador City, but the dirt/mud road wasn't too pleasing for the suspension :(
  • jogousajogousa Posts: 402
    edited June 2010
    That is exactly what I have done - I have an extra set of Garmin cables that I use, when I am travelling, renting a car, etc. That way I can take my Garmin with me and leave hard wired set in my car all the time. By the way, the last DAS AUTO publication now shows the exact position for placement of portable Garmin (on dash board above the fuse box where I have put it a year or so ago) and VW now offers a portable Garmin wiring set for hard wiring application.

    On another note, I think my passenger side remote door lock module is slowly dying. I've already had my right rear remote door lock module replaced under warranty few months ago. It's easy to diagnose that problem. When I try to lock the car with remote key fob sometimes I don't hear the click sound. That means that not all 4 doors are locked. I go around, try to open all doors one at a time and the front passenger remains unlocked (while the rest is locked) and the alarm sounds. That will be the second remote door lock module that goes bad after 15 K miles.
  • shriftyshrifty Posts: 255
    I'll have to keep that in mind with the door lock module, not sure how common of an issue it is, but something to think about. If you have 2 go bad that fast, I'd start looking into something else that might be causing them to go bad. On my Intrepid, I had a module go bad, turns out water was leaking in and shorting it out.

    On an unrelated note, my 09 TDI is going to hit 52K tomorrow. As time goes by, are there any noises/smells or any other weird signs to look for to let me know that something really needs to be replaced ASAP? I'm not the type to let anything go for long, but would appreciate any input from the seasoned TDI owners. Also, how long should the original brakes last? Mine still seem to be doing quite well, and I've heard people say that the brakes aren't that good on Jettas.
  • dwpcdwpc Posts: 159
    edited June 2010
    Your brake life is a function of how heavily they're used, not just mileage. Heavy city driving can eat brake pads in 20K miles or less. 52K is really a lot of miles for brakes, so even if you do mostly highway driving, you should probably get them checked pronto. You should get a "BRAKE" warning in the instruments (not the symbol light) before the pads are completely gone but its best to check them physically regularly.
  • jawf3jawf3 Posts: 8

    I'm considering purchasing a Jetta TDI. I take good care of my cars, drive conservatively, and drive them until they are no longer driveable. My last car had almost 300,000 miles on the odometer and parts were failing.

    The key feature that's drawing me to the TDI is the mileage. I also like the car in general, although I have yet to test drive one. Test Drives I've read rate the TDI as positive and say the TDI is a fun car to drive. I'm not interested in a Prius to achieve high mpg.

    I've been researching the TDI and diesels in general, and I'm seeing sites that lead me to think the TDI may require a lot of TLC. I'm not clear if these folks are just the diehards who devote a great deal of time to their TDI's (no offense intended, I just don't want to do that), or if I should expect to spend a lot of time and money keeping a TDI running.

    One other thing, I owned a couple of VWs in the early 70s and did not have good experiences with either my local dealer or with VW of America.

    Given that background, I'd appreciate any input you can provide on your satisfaction with the TDI, your experiences with the maintenance and upkeep, and your impressions of VW dealers in general as well as the company.

    Thanks in advance.
  • barryob5barryob5 Posts: 6
    jawf3....I have an '09 Jetta TDI Wagon. About 15,000 miles. About a month ago, I bought a brand new Mercedes E350. A wonderful car, but there are many times when the Jetta is the preferred vehicle. I've owned 3 Mercedes diesels over the years, but that was a long time ago. They required 3,000 mile oil changes, with no exceptions. Our Jetta has had no problems so far, but I'm in the middle of the first 10,000 mile oil change interval. I changed it a 5,000 and 10,000, as prescribed by VW.

    I have had no horror stories with VW dealerships, but then again, I have really had no issues. I have the big sunroom and NAV, and love them both. The NAV is more accurate than the Mercedes NAV, in my opinion.

    We have not been driving much lately...mostly short, in town trips, so the MPG is only averaging about 28, according to the computer. It was closer to 40 when we were driving a lot. I think the higher figure is more accurate.

    I would not hesistate to buy another Jetta TDI. It seems to be well made, and we enjoy driving it a lot.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 57,595
    Sounds like you are asking two questions here---one about how good the car is, and the other about the VW dealership network. I think you'd find a predominantly positive view of the TDI and a predominantly negative one for the VW dealer network.

    Diesel car maintenance isn't "more" or "less"---it's just different, and that sometimes trips people up, because they don't study their owner's manual.

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  • longo2longo2 Posts: 347
    edited July 2010
    IMHO the Jetta is just too small for the money.

    The back seat is cramped by the huge trunk extending so far into the cabin. The 2011 Jetta has been stretched 3 inches so that has to be a good thing, but it's still a small car overall.

    I would wait until the new Mid Size VW shows up this fall and take one for a spin. By then the HPFP issues might have been resolved and that new TDI engine that was rushed into production has to be improved a little now that VW has had some owners R&D to study.

    As for your "how much work is a diesel" question, the VW TDI's especially with the DSG transmission have some VERY expensive maintenace shedules that REALLY do need to be done on time.

    Depending on where you live, the DSG fluid change can cost from $300.00 to $595.00 every 40,000 miles. Engine Oil, coolant and fuel filter changes are VW propriatary services, and cost at least double what a gas engine would be. Even If you are a DIY'er, VW services can be daunting.
    If you live in an area where there are a few VW dealerships you can at least shop around for these services, and you might get lucky find a good Indy' shop that will do the work.
    This forum has some "Trusted Mechanics" you can search for in your area.
    If you can't find one, keep on shopping for your new vehicle.

    There are great looking new 2011 regular gas powered, mid sized cars out there now with better warranties getting nearly as good MPG's as the TDI's without all the drama. :shades:
  • shriftyshrifty Posts: 255
    Hi jawf3, I have an 09 Sedan TDI with over 53K now, and so far its been doing alright for me so far. I did have to replace an exhaust flap which went bad a few months ago around 45K. As for the maintenance/upkeep I've only taken it in for the 10K services otherwise. Mileage has been anywhere from a low of 40 to a high of 53, obviously depending on how hard/easy you drive it.

    As previously mentioned, the DSG fluid change is quite expensive, mine was around $300. I live in Western PA and had no issues starting in the winter with temps as low as -10 F on some mornings, and I have not used any additives of any kind. The dealership experience for me has been fairly good, no complaints here.

    One thing I noticed is that you didn't specify if you are looking for a sedan or sportwagen version of the TDI, or if you are looking for a manual or automatic. This info would also help us help you figure out if the TDI is a good choice for you. As for me, I am not a big fan of driving in stop/go traffic with the DSG (a bit too jerky for me), but I don't really spend much time in city traffic so I don't mind too much.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,174
    Hey Shrifty,
    Looking for a down to earth answer on the heating issue. Just about every gas car(which is all of them) I've had has only taken about 1 to 2 miles to start blowing out hot air. 1 mile when it's 20-35 degrees out and 1.5 to 2 when it's like -10 to 20 degrees. I mean good hot air in well less than 5 minutes. Does the TDI take substantial more? Like 5 miles or 10-15 minutes?

    I'm not a wuss and I know heated seats help but in Chicago area even heated seats don't warm you up that quickly as I have them now. I also am concerned about the defroster powers when it's that cold. How well do they work?
  • I have a 2009 Jetta TDI with just shy of 50K miles. To date the car has been flawless. The only service required has been oil changes every 10K miles as prescribed.
    I have the 6 speed standard tranny and the car is fun to drive. Mileage is approx 39 or 40 mpg and I dont baby the car to get that. On long trips it can jump up to 47 mpg or more.
    The fit and trim are good however I think VW could have spent a couple of more bucks on the finish items. The buttons and switches are a little on the flimsy side in my opinion, then again the car is in the sub 25K catagory and I guess that is what you can expect.
    Good luck on your choice. I would recommend this car.
  • vinchenz61vinchenz61 Posts: 12
    I have my TDI for about 1 year and just turn 20K. IT is a fanstastic ride and the fuel pefromance is better than the sticker. I am getting 30 city and mid 40s highway. I got 48 the other day coming Vermnont to NJ. I had a couple of electrical kinks in early days but was able to get that cleared up and no trouble since.

    The dealer I bought the car from had some issues but that was under that cash for Clucker program which was poorly administered by the gov, so I dont hold VW accountable on that. At a different dealer for service I had to return to dealer 2 sometimes 3 times to get it fixed properly.

    All in all, I love the car. Everyone that i talk to on the road that has them love them as well.
  • shriftyshrifty Posts: 255
    For me, I've noticed that it does take longer for the TDI to warm up than my previous gas vehicles (Intrepid and Grand Prix), up to about 50% longer time wise. The defroster has been very quick to clear the windows, and the heated mirrors are fairly quick as well. I'm not a fan of where the control is located, you have to turn the mirror adjustment knob around to activate the heated mirrors, and it is very easy to accidentally move the mirrors out of alignment.

    One time when the temp was around 0 and I stopped at a traffic light, the engine temp dropped about 40-50 degrees, and I started to lose heat inside the car :( As long as you are moving at a decent speed at low temps it will stay warm enough. I don't drive much in stop and go traffic which Chicago can have quite a lot of, so I can imagine that it may take some effort to keep it warm.
  • ndmike88ndmike88 Posts: 155
    I have never lost heat in my TDI while idling. Once the temp guage starts to move, it keeps moving till it hits 190.
  • vinchenz61vinchenz61 Posts: 12
    I have noticed it takes a longer time for the cabin to heat up as well although I never saw a drop of of engine temp. In stop and go traffic I have felt uncomfortable fluxuations in cabin temp.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,174
    How much zero degree weather do you get in TN?
  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,174
    Thanks for the info. My wife is very sensitive to the cold and that kind of information is very useful when considering a car purchase. You're right, we can get a lot of stop and go especially in winter storms where the temps can drop to minus -10 to -20 degrees F and that's not wind chill. :sick:
  • dwpcdwpc Posts: 159
    edited July 2010
    No extra work at all, except maybe looking a little harder for station with a diesel pump. We've had VWs for 23 years and have had exceptional dependability plus the fun of driving that German cars offer. We bought a JSW TDI in April and have had no issues, plus it's a ball to drive. We had a '99 Jetta and liked it very much, but the new one is much more car. The JSW replaced an Audi A6 biturbo, and we don't feel at all deprived. We average 33-35 MPG in town and near 40 highway at 75-80 MPH with AC on. Having put several hundred thousand miles on MB diesels, I think the TDI performance is spectacular. The engine pulls like a small V8, and the DSG trans is superb.

    I believe that the web car forums have to taken with a grain of salt because they act as concentrators for negative comments, and are often heavy with condescending comments from hyper-whiney anal types who check their tire pressure every day and expect their VW to be a BMW. I don't think you can generalize on dealers; some econo car dealers are fantastic, some lux car dealers are lousy.

    My sole complaint is that the std radio FM has terrible audio quality, but is pretty good on all other functions. The ability to play from a 16G SD card makes the CD player and iPod connector essentially redundant AFAIC.
  • colin_lcolin_l Posts: 591
    Good point; I'd wager zero is probably near the record low, and I doubt they get a whole lot below freezing (32F) on average.

    That said... I haven't heard of anyone else mentioning a loss of heat even if they do live in a very cold climate?
  • vinchenz61vinchenz61 Posts: 12
    I have felt it. Takes longer to warm up. I have had it up in Vermont sub warms up but it takes some time
  • ndmike88ndmike88 Posts: 155
    Zero degree weather in Tennessee......not too often. Below 32 and sometimes in the teens......more than you think.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 64,749
    If your wife is like my wife.... just imagine having to "explain" anything about how the heat is somehow "different" in her new diesel... Not more or less, or better or worse... just "different"..

    For me... no problem... for my wife? No chance..

    With all due respect to the diesel owners on this forum, every single TDI owner that I've spoken to in my neck of the woods, says it takes longer to get heat compared to a gas car.. and, in extreme cold, exponentially so...

    My wife would kill me.... lol


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  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,174
    Yeah, the only saving grace would be to tell her, "Just think how far you can drive in the winter without having to get out and refuel!". I don't think that would placate her though.
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