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Legacy GT Limited vs. Acura TSX and TL

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  • Thanks Bob...
    I have driven teh tsx several times but am really undecided...I like the four doors a lot...but there are several things about the RSX I like better too....its a shame bec i wasnt done driving the RSX but I went and drove one again and I felt a bit strange in it...sort of like this is not my car...
    Have you driven either?
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    I've driven the TSX, and liked it a lot. I just wish it were AWD, like the Legacy GT. I also prefer the GT's power. :)

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Stick with the known quantity, you loved the RSX so buy another.

    Rent a U-Haul when you need more room!

    -juice
  • After a registration snafu I finally took delivery of my new TSX. I am thrilled with my decision. It is an absolute blast to drive, wicked fun, and the stereo kicks.

    Any more HP and I would be a serious danger to myself.

    Everyone so far that has seen it (friends, family, coworkers) have assumed it to be a $35K car.

    I got to admit that knowing that I was able to get an extremely fun to drive, luxorius, and well built car and for only $25K!!! really jazzes me.

    anyone on the fence, keep the extra cash in your pocket for gas money, go TSX and you'll have no regrets.

    Go Redsox!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Congrats.

    Now watch, he'll disappear for a week, going out for a drive whenever he gets spare time. ;-)

    -juice
  • kenskens Posts: 5,869
    I received my Road and Track magazine last night and read the TSX vs. GT comparo. It was an interesting read and it was clear the GT came out ahead due to it's power and handling advantage.

    One item that they point out was that the price difference between the two vehicles was $35 but the big difference was that the GT doesn't have a NAV system.

    Which got me thinking -- could $2000 in powertrain upgrades in a TSX get it reliably to the same power and drivetrain configuration as the GT? That's a 50HP/84ft-lb increase, LSD and VC center diffy.

    Ken
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    If the TSX had AWD and a turbo, I bet it would be about $2K more than it is now.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Not in the aftermarket. A well engineered boost kit will run several thousand by itself. Jackson Racing probably has a supercharger fitment but I bet it's about what it costs for an RSX, $2,795 (plus installation).

    A Quaiffe torsen limited-slip front diffy would run about $900 just for parts.

    Forget getting power to the rear wheels, you'd need the whole driveshaft, two half shafts, the works. That would have to come from Acura, maybe VTM-4 or SH-AWD like the RL gets.

    Any how, the "value" of an AWD system is roughly $2000 as determined by the market, so in my mind AWD is about the same value as NAV.

    Really a front torsen by itself would work wonder for the TSX, and address the complaint about the inside front wheel spinning coming out of a turn.

    I think the TL has one, right? The previous gen CL Type S had it, but the base model did not. Maybe we'll see it trickle down.

    It surprised me how C&D didn't consider AWD a "feature", when it snows it's probably the only feature that counts. Your Nav will just keep reminding you of where you are stuck! Whoopee!

    -juice
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    I would pay a $2K premium to get just the AWD alone. And another $1K for a small V6 instead of a turbo.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    "It surprised me how C&D didn't consider AWD a "feature", when it snows it's probably the only feature that counts. Your Nav will just keep reminding you of where you are stuck! Whoopee!"

    I don't doubt AWD will have an advantage there, but I would venture to say that 90% of drivers only need FWD in 90% of any winter condition. Slap on a set of snow tires, and the 90/90 rule probably becomes 95/95.

    AWD (in a street car, not truck or SUV) would hold more appeal, to me at least, in dry condition handling advantage
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Yeah, but will you have the snows mounted when you need them?

    The last real Blizzard we had in Washington happened in late March. They'd have been off by then.

    It would be a pain to keep changing them back and forth. The change of seasons, here at least, is very unpredictable.

    -juice
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    No question AWD will be much more convenient. But another factor to consider is the wide, low-profile tires on sporty AWD cars (such as the Legacy GT). Those things aren't known to be great in the snow. You may find that you would still need snow tires.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    They're not really that wide, 215mm IIRC. In fact I think it's the same width as the TSX.

    The Outback actually has wider tires, but it's also heavier.

    Skinny tires are good in snow. That and the rear engine is why Beetles (old ones) get around so great.

    -juice
  • I have an 02 WRX and will until Saturday when it will be replaced with an 05 Legacy GT Ltd. IMHO, there is no comparison between the two regarding turbo lag - it is much more noticeable in the WRX. I became very used to it over the course of 3 years but did consider an engine mod to reduce it. Yesterday, I drove my WRX to the dealer, drove the GT for an hour and went back in my WRX for the ride home. Boy, what a difference. It seemed even more noticeable than ever in the WRX because it was virtually nonexistent in the GT (many reviewers have observed and commented on this). Also, I thought the GT seemed faster (Subaru claims a 0-60 time of 5.8 which would be nearly identical to the WRX) but it may have been because the engine was so quiet and refined and I didn't notice the speed until I looked at the speedo and went hmmmmm....

    I loved the WRX despite the lag. Not sure the GT will be quite as fun on windy country roads in that it didn't seem quite as "tossable" or responsive in cornering as the WRX. But, as one reviewer noted "the Legacy GT is the adult's WRX". I just hope that's true.

    Anyway - sorry to go on and on. Bottom line - my experience in an hour drive was that the GT had little if any discernible turbo lag. Big selling point with me.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I agree.

    Off boost the WRX is a 2.0l with low compression.

    The Legacy GT has 25% more displacement, higher compression, and AVCS (variable valve timing).

    So yeah, big difference.

    -juice
  • c_hunterc_hunter Posts: 4,487
    The WRX has to work a lot harder to for that 0-60 sprint. Even though my OB XT with auto is surely slower than my 5-spd WRX was, the OB XT feels faster by a long shot. It's a lot more relaxed and easy going, whereas I would really have to flog the WRX to get the same performance. So I'd say that the GT and XT are faster than the WRX in a more practical way.

    Craig
  • Messages on this board have been very helpful. Thanks to all. . . . Picked-up my Pearl White stick Legacy 2.5 GT on Sept. 6 and have only a few hundred miles behind me. I had tested the TSX. Loved it for its combination of sportiness and smooth sophistication. With an Internet deal of $25,100 (no GPS), I almost bought it. But, being a former WRX owner, I had to drive the new LGT. To me, it was a no brainer. Since I opted for the GT without the Limited package, the cost was a wash with the TSX. However, performance (both straight-line and handling), AWD and the sheer joy and excitment of the driving experience made it a no brainer. I love this car! In a few months I will have been driving (legally) 50-years. In addition to more than a dozen motorcycles and a few family sedans, I've owned a '57 Chevy, a '62 Vette, a '67 GTO, four Porsches, a '96 SHO and two M3's. The LGT is the best drive I have had. BTW, Renick in Fullerton is, IMHO, the LA area's best Subaru dealer.
  • c_hunterc_hunter Posts: 4,487
    Congrats on the new car, and glad to hear your comments! I do think the Leg GT is the more natural upgrade for former WRX owners. Once you are accustomed to the dry handling capabilities of AWD, a FWD vehicle is a major change (at least for me).

    Craig
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    It is a big adjustment. You'll actually find the dynamics of RWD are more familiar.

    -juice
  • After finally deciding it was time to turn in my 95 Eagle Talon Tsi Turbo, frankly because I needed 4 doors for the new 3rd member of my family, I did exhaustive research and narrowed down my choices to the Acura TL, TSX, and Subaru LGT. Talk about a brain embolism! All 3 are excellent vehicles. It was very hard to decide. Eventually I decided on the TSX. True the LGT has more power but I had to be realistic, how often would I get to drive the way that car was meant to drive where I live? Not often. Add on the fact that I keep my cars almost 10 years and that puts me keeping ths car up to around age 47. The TSX had the better ride, outstanding refinement, price, expected life and maintenace, and fuel economy, and decent HP. It was time for the boy to grow up... So I got the TSX. People who sit inside actually guess the price at closer to $40K than the $25K I paid for it. A morphing of the two vehicles would produce the perfect entry sports sedan. Either way, both are much better deals than their German and Swedish competitors. I'd be a happy camper in either!
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