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Legacy GT Limited vs. Acura TSX and TL



  • 5.23 sec. for a Legacy GT!!? :surprise: Was there any adjustments or tweaks to the engine for that test or was it strickly stock?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Supposedly stock, but there is a press fleet and you never know if it was a "ringer", as they call 'em.

    Autoweek must've launched the AWD powertrain perfectly. It was quicker than their V8 Audi S4.

  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    My money's on it being a ringer!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    That was quick, but C&D's took 5.7s, and even some autos were in the low 6s.

  • ingvaringvar Posts: 205
    Crap&Drive very funny magazine. FWD can't have handling better than AWD. It is very easy to see at winter time.
  • Crap&Drive very funny magazine. FWD can't have handling better than AWD. It is very easy to see at winter time.

    This is a load of BS. :D
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    Just cross the bridge - pay no mind to the troll...
  • ROFL!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    So, what are the changes for the 06 Acuras?

    06 Legacy got a reinforced structure and got the Gold award for the IIHS. The only other mid-size to match the overall safety is the Saab 9-3, so kudos to them for the improvement.

    NAV is also an option, finally.

    What about the Acuras? Any significant changes?

  • tsytsy Posts: 1,551
    The TSX got some cosmetic changes and the hp bumped up to 205.

  • The TSX gets Bluetooth, memory seats, reworked gauges, auxiliary output (MP3 capable), ~10 HP bump in power, reworked front fascia (now has integrated fog lights), taillights and side skirts, and new wheels.

    Folks, feel free to jump in if I missed anything. I think that's all of it. :shades:
  • Real world HP will likely work out to be closer to 10 than 5 HP. The new SAE standards account for the seeming discrepancy.

    The early returns on the '06 TSX are that the power boost is definitely noticeable on the butt dyno. Some also claim that build quality is even better than '04-'05's, though I would think this remains to be seen. The cars are brand-new, after all. All this is coming from owners who traded '04-'05 TSX's for '06's.

    Hopefully, any rattle issues have been resolved. I've even heard the throttle tip-in/lag issue has been addressed. :shades:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Yep, on Accords, too.

    BT is cool, your NAV can use your phone to make a call to a number stored in the points-of-interest.

  • krzysskrzyss Posts: 848

    auxiliary output (MP3 capable)

    I think it is auxiliary INPUT.

  • My local subie dealer had a 2005 GT languishing on its lot with and MSRP of ~$27,500 and with a posted price reduced to ~$23,000 (OK its not the Limited but it still had a leather steering wheel and shift knob so the surfaces that get the most use felt upscale:-) and it had all that intoxicating power and tight handling. I procrastinated too long and now it's gone... I don't know if I'll ever see a price performance ratio like that again... I've heard of post purchase dissonance but never non-purchase dissonance!
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    "I don't know if I'll ever see a price performance ratio like that again.."

    You can still get that your local Ford dealer with a Mustang GT. ;)
  • I've taken test drives in a manual 6-sp V6^ Accord Coupe, an auto TL and a manual Legacy GT. All are entertaining cars but only one made me think there was something wrong with my 99 Passat when I got back in it to drive away... The Legacy GT really seems to have a lot more low end grunt than the other two. I hear comments about turbo lag but I have to say it's almost imperceptible on the Legacy GT (maybe its because I really know what turbo lag is :-) My 1.8 turbo REALLY needs to have the rpm's up a ways to get a decent launch the revs don't have to be sky high but if you let the clutch out before you've built up the revs a bit it's like stepping into a sink hole) I've driven the Legacy a couple times and even in the automatic found it to be very responsive (never thought I'd say that about an auto). The TL is by far the most attractive of the three but none of them are bad looking rigs and value you find in a V-6 6-speed Accord Coupe is hard to deny. I honestly think you could put an Acura badge on it and it would fit nicely in their line up. We are very fortunate to be able to have choices like this...
  • Ya I'd just have to tow my golf clubs around behind the Stang and leave it in garage whenever we get one of our 7 inches of precip a year in the form of hard rain or snow... :D
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    You gotta pounce on opportunities like that, trouble is, it's not like you have $23,000 in cash laying around to spend on a whim.

    The GT, coupled to a manual transmission, has very little lag at all. With the auto I sensed some lag, but not much with a clutch.

    C&D's Forester XT (same engine, tuned for LESS power) ran to 30mph off the line quicker than a Ferrari Enzo. Not much lag there!

  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    I test drove an auto GT when it first came out and my seat of the pants assessment was that it has less low-end grunt than the CL-S I had at the time. Not much turbo lag though.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    There's no doubt that engine mates up best to a manual trans. It unleashes every horse available.

  • The one downside of AWD of Four Wheel Drive is it seems to make people think they can stop in the snow and ice... I live on the corner of an intersection at the bottom of two steep hills. Today we got a nasty dose of freezing rain and I was entertained for an hour and a half by "Stars on Ice"! To be fair it wasn't just 4bys that were providing the entertainment but of the 8 (count em 8) cars that lost it coming down the hills 7 were all wheel drives. That doesn't count the Hummer owner who crashed once - drove back up the hill then came back down the same hill a little while later this time sliding down the on-coming lane (well actually scaping tires against the curb the whole way down :-).

    I called the police after my neighbor's cars dodged the first 3 bullets but got hit by the 4th contestant. The guy in the Land Cruiser went for a 2fer and hit both of their cars! I had called neighbor's twice and gone and knocked on the door to try and warn them and on the third call got the dad (who had been in the shower) and told him he should come outside because his cars were gonna... make that just got hit....

    Then a lady in a Suburban locked up on the other hill and just slowly slid towards the curb and rear ended a parked full size Ford pickup that ended up rolling 300 yards before it finally parked itself in a driveway at the bottom of the hill (pointed backwards). The unmanned pickup managed to pick off one neighbors car on the way by (they don't count in the total since they didn't have drivers). It was kind of like one of those insurance ads on TV where that golf ball causes all the damage...

    I think I may have decided in favor of the subie just based on this short display - that crash test rating it got recently might be more important than I thought! :-)
  • kenskens Posts: 5,869
    Precisely. AWD/4WD helps with forward motion, but not with stopping. The problem with AWD/4WD is overconfidence which is often exacerbated by people driving in large vehicles.

    I hope no one was seriously injured in that accident!

  • No one in the cars appeared to suffer any injuries however two neighbor girls whose parked cars got hit probably are pretty sore from taking nasty falls on their sidewalks as they came out to check on the damage done to their cars....

    It was feet in the air flat on your back slick out. I made the mistake of stepping off the grass once and barely avoided my own fall before I gingerly turned around and shuffled my way back to the grass.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    that crash test rating it got recently might be more important than I thought!


    The AWD is secondary, then.

  • HID's are hot, but the reason the Maximas are so targeted is they slide right in to regular "non-HID" Maximas. Since TSX and TL both come with HID standard, a thief would be less likely to steal them.
  • LOL - well that's not what I was thinking when I made that comment more that I want to be in a good crash worthy car since there are so many 4X$ bobsledders in our neighborhood!
  • last year, I leased an STi (replacing a WRX which replaced a twin turbo RX7).

    When my wife's Acura CL lease was up, we looked at the three cars. The Mazda 6 was out because of its lower performance, throttle lag and the poor reputation (and experience) with Mazda dealers in the DC area.

    The TSX was a really nice car, but it just didn't match the performance and handling of the Legacy GT Limited (both with Automatic).

    We have had the Legacy for 12,000 miles and one year and it is a really nice, comfortable car. The Bridgestone tires on it are terrible, but not as bad as the ones that came with the WRX.

    All-in-all, I recommend the Legacy GT without hesitation.
  • The TSX was a really nice car, but it just didn't match the performance and handling of the Legacy GT Limited (both with Automatic).

    You're absolutely right. The TSX's handling is superior to the Legacy GT's. :shades: And please, if you're going to drive a TSX, drive the 6 MT version.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Subaru really ought to upgrade the OE tires it uses, almost without exception they are poor compromises.

    MazdaSpeed6 looks pretty interesting...sort of a gentleman's STI/EVO. It competes with the Legacy Spec B, sort of.

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