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2007 Toyota Camry



  • drjamesdrjames Posts: 274
    "What you continue to miss is the trend. While GM had a large gross number of recalls, their number was down, unlike Toyota in which case the number was substantially up. GM is trending to lower number of recalls while Toyota is trending to higher numbers. Stated differently, GM is getting better, Toyota worse."

    Toyota's number went drastically up because of the combined recall of certain 2001 to 2004 models which accounted for nearly a third. Imagine if GM had recalled some of the 2004 model year or earlier cars in 2005...

    That said, "Because of the changing nature of the industry, it doesn't take much to send the numbers upward," said NHTSA spokesman Rae Tyson. "We really don't read a whole lot into these fluctuations that occur from one year to the next." So, what's the TREND? not just a given year.
  • prigglypriggly Posts: 642
    The significance of the trend is yet to be fully determined but for what it is worth GM is trending down whild Toyota is trending up in numbers of total recalls. If you couple this fact with the rather pronounced numbers of recent articles in both the print and online media pertaining to Toyota's fallin quality, the trend just may take on added significance, n'est-ce pas?
  • drjamesdrjames Posts: 274
    "The significance of the trend is yet to be fully determined but for what it is worth GM is trending down whild Toyota is trending up in numbers of total recalls. If you couple this fact with the rather pronounced numbers of recent articles in both the print and online media pertaining to Toyota's fallin quality, the trend just may take on added significance, n'est-ce pas?</i"

    Well, considering Toyota is producing more cars than ever before and is just behind GM, I'd expect the total number of recalls to increase. The question of value is what percentage of total cars produced are recalled? Go ahead and the math.

    That said, as for trends... I guess we'll have to wait and see at what year end totals for 2006.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    The top end is 154 mph. The Camry can't even try to compare with this.

    As you said below 'Who exactly even needs it unless you drive like a madman'.

    The SS gives 28-29 mph on the highway at a steady 65 mph, excellent numbers considering the prodigious power of the 5.3 liter small block V-8.

    Edmunds reports differently

    Stability control? Who exactly even needs it unless you drive like a madman without sufficient basic skills to take into consideration speed for condition factors and thereby avoid the conditions in which the stability control might possibly be an advantage. Or unless you are not confident of your driving skills and feel the need to rely upon an electronic nanny

    Your statement demonstrates a lack of understanding of the purpose of Stability Control. Well this is just short-sightedness. Hey why wear seatbelts either. The Insurance Institutes both here and in Europe feel differently - and the NHTSA is coming around.

    Side airbags/crash tests? Your facts are incorrect. The SS has excellent side curtain airbags front and rear which drop down far enough to also protect the torso. In this respect, check out the numbers on, the most comprehensive website available for safety related automotive parameters. Side impact fatality risk points for the 2006 Impala with SAB are +11.9 while for the 2007 Camry are +10.2, virtually identical (lower number is better).

    From the following link to the IIHS which vehicle stands alone not getting a GOOD rating in frontal crash testing?
    IIHS Large Family Cars

    Why would you buy a $31,000 vehicle without these basic safety benefits? I will admit though that enjoying the sound of the engine does make up for the Impala's other deficiencies. BTW the Impala is in the same size category as the Avalon where it doesn't hold a candle to the Avalon's features or benefits. It's just faster - a little.
  • lmacmillmacmil Posts: 1,758
    How tiresome. No one's opinion is going to be changed so why bother arguing?
  • jbolltjbollt Posts: 734
    I realy don't undestand why someone who loves his Chevy Impala, is so determined to post that love here in the Camry forums. He or she is entitled to love his choice, as are the folks who chose to buy Camrys. Can we please stop this silly arguing???????

    Everyone is allowed an opinion, and to post it here, if they are so inclined, but what is the point of repeatedly trying to change someone elses opinion about what car is best for them? I JUST DON"T GET IT, and it is getting real OLD!
  • I admit I am a newbie to this forum. Been reading it for some time but joined up today just to speak about something which I think needs to be said.
    To those who have problems with their Camry, I'm quite OK with reading about them. That's what these forums are for--I think--the good and the bad. To those of you who have opinions about Camrys, good or bad, that's OK too--I think
    However, I think perhaps its going too far when posts take issue with others who own Camrys and browbeat them about it. It's about saying they made a big mistake to own one, or trying to convince others they're not too smart even to consider one. That seems to be what a few here are doing and it seems intentional. I don't think it serves the purpose of these forums very well. I also don't think it does much good to marginalize other's decisions by constantly reminding them about another's choice--example the Chev Impala SS owner--is way better, yada, yada, yada.
    I am a Camry owner, and quite content with my car. It works well, and I have no complaints. I realize others may not feel the same as I, but I get very uncomfortable when I read posts which imply that people like me have no business being content with our Camrys. I know I should just ignore them, but it isn't that easy when they appear so often.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    This is not the right place for that debate.

    Anyone who wants to continue, please feel free to start a separate discussion. (Click here and use the Add a Discussion link.) Let's just stick to the Camry here - thanks.
  • hi, this is my first time posting...

    can anyone clarify if the taillights on the LE and XLE are LED?

    the hybrid version has LED's:

    and heres the XLE:
  • Another factor for Toyota's recall number rising, aside from increased production, is that for a number of reasons, they have been compelled to no longer keep their recalls on the down-low or otherwise ignore them entirely.
  • Only the hybrid model has the LED tailights, for now. I would imagine that will change in the future. :shades:
  • An excellent rationale why recalls are on the rise---a quote from another forum:

    This is an entirely different story because while it was scandalous in the past like divorce was in the 40's and 50's recalls now are just a common occurance to fix potential problems before they become major fiasco's like Ford and Firestone went through. I think this is perfectly rational and good business. All the automakers learned what not to do in the Ford/Firestone mess.

    Yesterday Chrysler just recalled 200K vehicles to fix ... cupholders. Yes there might be a potential problem affecting safety but the real story is that likely every vehicle being built will have some minor adjustment made to it, it's just that the fixes will be done using the recall mechanism. Priorly these adjustments were done as 'service campaigns' but they were still being done. After all autos are only electromechanical objects.

    Fixing carpeting and fixing cupholders receives the same weight of importance in recall statistics as any very serious problem so I expect the recall statistics for all manufacturers to balloon in the coming years.

    2005 recall stats

    GM .. 5 Million vehicles
    Ford .. 6 Million vehicle
    DC .. 766,000 vehicles
    Toyota .. 2.2 Million vehicles

    But safety officials cautioned that recall numbers vary widely from year to year, and it is hard to draw conclusions about safety trends from them. While 2005 saw far fewer vehicles recalled than in 2004, the number was pretty close to the total in 2003, when 19.1 million vehicles were recalled."
  • w9cww9cw Posts: 888
    Although LED-based tail lights have excellent life, you DO NOT want to pay the cost for replacement, as compared to a simple light bulb. In some cases, including this one, simpler is better, and ultimately cheaper in the long term.
  • ray_h1ray_h1 Posts: 1,134
    Yeah, whatever... :P
  • Boy, I'll second that opinion!!!
  • Well said, Helofanrus!!!
    And just to add one more thing. This isn't
    a forum comparing a Toyota Camry vs. the
    Chevy Impala. Just thought I'd remind Priggly
    of that fact.
  • I have a question about the check sum, the 9th digit? How do you compute the check sum?

  • I just got my XLE this weekend. I have tried the procedure you described several times but the car does not start. Is there a way to disable/enable this feature? Any other thoughts?
  • I can't get mine to start either. Did you ever get an answer?
  • GF took the car to the local dealer and they started it with the remote. I have not tried it but apparently it was how I was pressing the buttons.
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    I understand it involves a rather complicated formula, which I am unable to reproduce.

    Why do you want to know?
  • geez, my bonne's remote has a engine button which you just press once. I quess Toyota has some ergonomic issues after all. All that button pushing is going to wear out your FOB's a lot sooner. But I quess that will make Toyota even more money. :mad:
  • Recently when I dropped off my wife's Sienna for servicing, I was given a (brand new) free rental Camry LE. My own car is a 2005 XLE V6. The differences were very interesting.

    The new 4 cylinder LE is definitely able to keep up with fast traffic on steeply graded roads here in Northeastern NJ/Southern NY state but had to be revved up a lot more than I am used to on my V6.

    I definitely feel that my V6 is much quieter than the four cylinder. The four cylinder is definitely noisier at high RPM. Unfortunately one is forced to use high RPMs a lot more when driving in this area. Apart from the engine noise, other noise was commendably low in the new Camry.
  • ray_h1ray_h1 Posts: 1,134
    Theoretically, Toyota's 2.4L 4-cyl. motor could be tuned to delver the same 268 hp as the 3.5L 6-cyl. motor. But, to do so would require revving it to 3.5L/2.4L x 6,200 rpm, or - 9,042 rpm. to achive the same air flow capability* to compensate for the 4-banger's reduced displacement. Practically, there aren't too many motors capable of sustained operation at >9,000 rpm - certainly none in serial production for passenger cars so far as I'm aware. Obviously, Toyota stopped well short of extracting equivalent power from the Camry's I4 to that available in the Camry's V6, but the useable power available from the I4 still necessitates more frequent (and somewhat noisier) forays into the I4's available upper rpm range than is necessary with the V6 powerplant. To its credit, the I4 is less mass over the front wheels - which should translate into more neutral handling when compared to 6-cyl models.

    *Reciprocating internal combustion engines are basically pumps. They must move air efficiently, both in and out to produce useable power. Unless there's sufficient air in the cylinders to accomodate it, merely pouring excess fuel in the mix returns nothing but unburned fuel in the exhaust as smoke. There are two basic ways to increase the air pumping capability of a piston engine: increase its diplacement or resort to compressing the air charge through supercharging - belt or gear driven, or exhaust driven.
  • I-4 cylinder ,automatic
    After reading & hearing all the raves about Hondas & Toyotas i took the plunge & bought a Camry. It gets terrific gas mileage cause its always parked in the dealers shop!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lemon: first it was the left turn signal that did'nt work from the start, brought it in after waiting 3 weeks for a switch. Before leaving I checked & it still did'nt work, :lemon: come to find out it was a broken wire, then it won't start. :lemon: After 3 1/2 hours they turned it back over to me & everyting seemed fine but the next time I tried starting it , noting except :lemon: spining the engine over. Finally got it started & drove to the dealer 36 mile' s 1 way for the 4th time & left it there for the pass 3 days & hope to get it back Monday. Is this :lemon: what everyone is praising Toyotas for?
  • 07xle07xle Posts: 177
    No problems whatsoever with mine after 5,700 miles in 6 months. XLE I4 Auto.
  • Murphy's Law dictates if you have many problems up front , you will have many trouble free years ahead. Your the lucky sod who has probably bought the best car Toyota's produced in a decade. Your car has a character. :)
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,679
    Sounds like a factory assembly error. No matter how good any car maker is, you cannot prevent human error on the assembly line.
  • lmacmillmacmil Posts: 1,758
    "No matter how good any car maker is, you cannot prevent human error on the assembly line."

    Actually you can and all car makers try to do it. The Japanese are just better at it than the Americans. It's called poke-yoke.
  • I have a 2007 Camry XLE 4cyl that calls for 0-w20 oil. Problem is that I can't find it anywhere.

    Anybody have any ideas for me?

    I can find all of the 5w20 that I want and use it in my Odyssey, but I think that I should run 0-w20 in the Camry 4cyl.

    Thanks in advance.
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