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Honda Odyssey vs. Toyota Sienna



  • hogan773hogan773 Posts: 255
    got it. In my case, we were looking to get a minivan in the near term, and I only wanted to wait if the new design was awesome (in my opinion it wasn't). Plus I got 2400 below invoice right now, and I think there is a better chance that on the new model, I probably wouldn't get any better than 1000-1500 ABOVE invoice at least for awhile, plus they might raise the base prices, so there was an economic incentive too.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 19,604
    Well, I guess.

    I don't like to spend a lot of time thinkg about somthing that could happen.

    Besides, if I get rear ended, it'll the other guy's fault and hopefully they will be insured.

    I keep full coverage insurance on our beater1993 Explorer that rarely get's driven. I was going to take off the collision and comp but since it's so old and of so little value, I think state Farm charges us something like 100.00 a year for those coverages. They know it would take very little to total it.

    1500.00 a year sounds NUTS for a 1996! Are you sure?
  • gene00gene00 Posts: 113
    Makes sense. I'm sure the functionality will be about the same, so you'll be getting a relative bargain since I'm sure you're right about incentives not showing up for the new model, probably for a year.
  • dbtdbt Posts: 298
    Finally, someone told me the Ody's 8th seat is supposed to be full-sized? If so, this reversal alone might have me more interested in the Ody next time around (won't be for a while, I'm driving the wheels off my 07 Sienna).
    Just to be clear, Honda claims that the 2011 Ody's 2nd row can fit 3 child seats side-by-side-by-side. Not necessarily full sized (have to wait for more pictures), but you cannot do that with the current Ody 8th seat (and the 2011 Sienna 8th).
  • dbtdbt Posts: 298
    It's not so much that they relocated the spare, as much as the fact that it's a donut now. That plus if you actually get a flat, where can you fit the full-size flat? It won't fit in the same spot.
    Sadly that has become industry standard. It saves weight and cost, so everyone does it now, with only a few exceptions.

    Here's one advantage of the Pilot: while it comes with a donut, the space it goes in fits a full-size spare perfectly. That's what's on the back of mine now :)
  • hogan773hogan773 Posts: 255
    My 2004 Pilot came with a fullsize spare, strung up under the chassis in the back. So they've now moved to a donut huh
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    More pics? Have there been any of the interior? If so I haven't seen them, so please share.

    For me the interior photos are far more important than the exterior ones (particularly on a minivan).
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Probably to save weight and costs.

    If it fits, you can always buy a cheap steelie and spare full-size tires from Tire Rack.

    I did that for a 2002 Legacy, and replaced the donut.

    Murphy's Law: never once got a flat in 7 years, even though it was my wife's car and she got TWO flat tires with her previous car. :sick:
  • dbtdbt Posts: 298
    The only interior pics are "conceptual" / Virtual image pics, at this time.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Yeah, I've seen some of those drawings, I was hoping the concept had been photographed inside (or was it just an exterior mock up?).
  • tifightertifighter WAPosts: 1,895
    Naw, you're not the only one. I think the new Ody looks really nice. I agree with Juice, though, interior is king with a minivan, so until those pictures surface, we don't really know much. Still, if they really can hit those mileage figures they're claiming, the new Ody has segment leader written all over it. Must drive Toyota nuts...

    15.5 XC70 T6 / 16 Soul EV / 17 Toyota 86

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    MPG is a biggie for me, too. One of the reasons (I suspect) people get a van is that they want better-than-SUV gas mileage.

    The last Ody's VCM disappointed me a little. Mileage was no better than the Sienna yet it gave up huge HP.

    +2mpg might have swayed me, even with a slight power deficit.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    If the MPGs aren't there for Honda, then there will be no stopping Toyota...

    :sick: :shades:

    Sorry, I couldn't help it.
  • doggrandmadoggrandma IowaPosts: 144
    Ha, ha, perhaps you should look at the all new Camry-kazi! ;)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Slow down else this thread will accelerate out of control. :D
  • So my wife test drove both.

    Unfortunately the 2011 Sienna made her nauseous whereas the Ody didn't, and she preferred the ride and fit/finish in the Ody.

    So now our big question is: Do we go for a 2010 Ody or wait 6 months for the new one? Really not sure....
  • hogan773hogan773 Posts: 255
    In addition to the fact that I didn't see the new design as so incredible to be worth waiting 6 months for, PRICE is also a pertinent factor you should consider.

    1) when new Sienna came out, pricing went up approx $2k
    2) right now there are good deals on Odyssey if you negotiate...I just got mine for approx $2400 below invoice (not sticker). In general, we should expect that for the shiny "new" Odyssey this fall, dealers will be trying to get sticker, or at least something above invoice.

    Therefore IMO there could easily be $3-5K extra cost in buying the new version vs the 2010. For me, I didn't see the design or feature "breakthroughs" that would warrant that difference.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 19,604
    I've heard the "nauseous" comment about Toyotas before.

    They have such a floaty ride, like an old Buick.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Timing is everything.

    Remember a few months ago, people were reporting huge price advantages for the Sienna?

    Now it's the other way around. The older Honda design is the bargain.

    Nausea on a test drive? Which model? Was she sitting up front?
  • She was driving. She's very susceptible to motion sickness, and our current car is a Passat Wagon W8 which has a pretty taught European suspension. She found the Honda ride a bit stiffer, and she didn't get motion sick in that.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Reason I asked was that when we spent a week in Tucson with friends I had to ride in the back of their Ody, over the rear wheels, and I felt that way.

    Generally it helps to look outside and view the horizon, to get your bearings.
  • tylerwkutylerwku Posts: 13
    I wanted to let everyone that I tested both yesterday (Sienna LE and Odyssey EX) and the new Sienna is an easy winner. The Sienna drove so much better than the Odyssey. There was much less road noise, it was a much smoother ride, less engine noise, and better acceleration and more responsive breaks. They both have equal marks with their suspension and turning radius now, which the Odyssey use to be the clear winner in that area. I also liked the looks of the the Sienna much more than the outdated Odyssey. The interior of the Sienna was much more comfortable and attractive as well. (except for the plastic looking dash of the Sienna!) I did like the second row configuration of the Odyssey better as you can move the captain chairs together to the center of the van and the center seat could be used as a arm rest with cup holders. The 8th seat in the Sienna is pretty much useless if you ask me. The Sienna also has more cargo space, but slightly less third row seating space. For now the Sienna is the King or Queen of the mini van market, but Honda could take it back over this fall with the introduction of the 2011 Odyssey. Stay tuned!!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    You buyin'? :shades:
  • tylerwkutylerwku Posts: 13
    I am trying to decide wether to go ahead and buy now while their sales are down or wait for better cash back/financing later in the year. What do you think?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    If you qualify for the 0% financing I'd say go for it. That is a big incentive, even if the model weren't brand new.
  • hogan773hogan773 Posts: 255
    Just don't expect to walk thru from the front to the back, and watch that you don't trip on the goofy plastic cupholders that are permanently attached to the floor between the 2nd row seats.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Do the 2nd row seats still fold+tumble forward?

    The Ody's don't, IIRC. Maybe they took that away since there is the gap between the seats.
  • hogan773hogan773 Posts: 255
    In new Sienna, no. They slide on tracks so they have more fore/aft travel than Honda. In the foremost position they sort of fold upwards a little to snug closer to the driver/pax seats. For me, this is a useless feature as I will have 2 carseats in those seats, so folding them isnt possible.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I guess they rely on the pass-through.
  • I really did like the 2011 Sienna over the 2010 Odyssey in driving. But they are still penetrating lots, and the configuration I want (XLE with RSE but NOT entire Premium Package) is rare. Could get a 2010 Ody for about $2400 under INVOICE right now but really feel that the 2011 Ody will make me regret a purchase.

    Oh well, I guess I shouldn't accelerate into a decision.
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