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Honda Odyssey vs. Toyota Sienna



  • user777user777 Posts: 3,341
    very responsive transmission on the sienna... :mirror shades:
  • davantdavant Posts: 294

    I'm surprised with your response considering your intellect and history here. Are you suggesting that the Sienna is a warp speed rocketship while others are not? Your average rear end collision occurs near intersections. Typically, someone behind you wasn't paying attention or trys to stop too late. Obviously your Toyo bias thinking is that at say 15 MPH you can mash the pedal and jump to 70 MPH while catching a glimpse of someone approaching 50 feet or so away to avoid getting smashed from behind. Chances are, even if you had this ability, you'd not have an 'out' and in the process you smash into someone else. Please rethink your response in that no minivan today has this sort of acceleration, your response borders on BS, not in character for you.

  • jipsterjipster Louisville, KentuckyPosts: 5,441
    I'm not sure but I think hans is yanking your chain a bit. Isn't that part of what " :shades: " means?

    I would rather have a quick responsive engine and trans in case of an emergency instead of one that bogs down for a second or two. Though it would probably come into play about as often as any other saftey feature...almost never.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Thanks for clarifying that my response was tongue in cheek.
    davant posted a very intelligent rebuttal.
  • At least for me, December will show if the Odyssey can take on santa... (snow) My guess is that the odyssey's 240 horses can definitly handle the snow just as good as santa and his 9 reindeer... :P :shades: which makes up like what... 9 horses. Chicago winters definity put you cars to the test... :shades:
  • or should i say 244 horses for the odyssey... to many changes... gosh :P
  • Hello Friends,

    I am new to this forum and this is my first post. lot of useful information I could find here.

    I need help comparing the differences B/W Sienna Vs Odessy.

    I test drove Odessy 2005 EX model .

    I am interested in buying either 2005 EX L model or 2005 EX L entertainment system.

    If I need to buy similar equavalent features model in Sienna which model should I consider. Is it XLE ??.

    Would Odessy cost me cheaper compare to added options in Sienna.

    Can any one help me on this.

  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    The closest thing (IMO) to the Ody EX-L is the Sienna XLE w/ package #6. This package will add the traction control/skid control, leather, and moonroof (and a few other misc. doodads). The TMV as listed by Edmunds for these two vehicles is $30,249 for the Ody EX-L and $31,793 for the Sienna XLE w/#6.

    Obviously, each vehicle has some features the other lacks. The biggies off the top of my head are:

    Sienna - has power rear hatch, flip out 3rd row windows, overhead console w/ trip computer, power passenger seat, wood grain dash, tilt steering, and floor console that can be moved from 1st to second row. Sienna drives a bit smoother/quieter.

    Odyssey - PlusOne seat for 8 seating capacity, and in-floor storage (lazy susan). Odyssey drives a bit more 'athletically' (a bit more composed in curves / a bit more responsive steering).

    Both vans are pretty quick. Both vans will get roughly the same mileage (within 1-2 mpg). When I say that one is a 'bit' smoother or a 'bit' more responsive, the differences are actually (IMO) rather small.

    When my wife and I were shopping, we preferred the Sienna. However, due to Toyota's Byzantine distribution plan, the actual availability of a vehicle optioned the way WE wanted was extremely small (we were seeking an XLE w/ leather, all the side airbags, and traction/VSC). We only located a couple of vehicles and the dealer's were not willing to deal. OTOH, we located several Ody EX-L's in the color we wanted (Ocean Mist) and were able to deal a bit better. In the end, we were able to get an EX-L for nearly $4k under the best we could manage for a Sienna. We felt the Sienna was better, but NOT $4k better.

    That was on '05 models. You may have better luck locating what you want in an '06 model. Or your local dealers may deal differently (locally, we had better luck with the Honda dealers but that is certainly not the same around the country). Or, if traction/VSC is not a big deal for you, then the Sienna can be even cheaper than the EX-L.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    This is THE BEST, most unbiased comparison between any vehicles I have ever read. ALL important information was clearly stated. ;)
    (BTW, I think the Ocean Mist Metallic is one of the prettiest colors I have seen on any vehicle in many years with Sienna XLE Arctic Frost Pearl the only color as gorgeous).
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630

    .....and I tried to not even say anything crass about overhead consoles just for you! :shades: :P

    As a bit of a personal postscript: for me, the Lazy Susan was a very attractive feature when we were shopping. After having the van for a while though, it's only used to store stuff that we rarely EVER need (jumper cables, etc.). For us anyway, so far it's been kinda useless. This could change when the kids get old enough (big enough) to reach into it themselves.
  • user777user777 Posts: 3,341
    threaten the kids that the food that drops to the floor will get placed in the lazy susan for their future grazing pleasure.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    LOL...and an excellent idea.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    Nice idea BUT......

    1. All this would get me would be stern looks from my co-pilot.
    2. I would be the one to, 6 months later, have to clean out the Lazy Susan.
    3. Kids would probably get the bright idea that stashing french fries in there while dad's not looking was FUN!
  • user777user777 Posts: 3,341
    my co-pilot constantly reminds me that w.r.t. discipline:

    1). pilot and co-pilot must be following same flight-plan. there are many approaches to the final fix, but only one path may be followed by the plane at any given time if you want to get where you're going and land safely in 1 piece.

    2). pilot and co-pilot PA announcements must be followed up with action. if you say there is a consequence, the only way the passenger behavior will change with the discipline is if the consequence is implemented / enforced.

    those passengers in the back of the vehicle love testing us don't they?

    suggest you pull a stale french fry or cheese cracker from the "hold" and force one of the little ones to consume it. the others will fall in line. however, avoid sending milk bottles and sippy cups to the hold. you still have to drive the vehicle...
  • rorr:

    Thanks for your reply.

    What is the main advantage of traction/VSC option. Also some people were tellling me that Sienna needs gas 89. Is that true ??.

    I am planing to buy either Honda Odessy/Pilot or Toyota Sienna.

    Also which one has better resale value.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    For the benefits of stability control, read this column from a past issue of Car and Driver:

    Regarding gas: the Sienna 'requires' only regular unleaded. The owner's manual for the Sienna 'recommends' the use of premium for maximum performance. I've read plenty of anecdotal evidence which indicates the van will run with absolutely no problems on regular fuel.

    As far as resale, I haven't seen any data on the current generation of Odyssey since it's only been out a year. Both models should have pretty good resale though the '05 Ody may have slightly lower resale considering some of the first year teething issues they've had on the van. No way for me to verify this but I imagine that the '06 editions should be more trouble-free.
  • The Odyssey and Toyota are almost equal there are a few diffrences. If your looking at the EX-L your going to get the VCM(variable cylinder management) this will give you better fuel economy by deactivating 3 cylinders when not needed. Also your going to get side airbags(these are standard on all Odysseys) plus the vehicle stability assist. If your looking for something all wheel drive Toyota is the way to go. If your not worried about that probably take a look at the Odyssey, the resale value is a little better(look at intellichoice). Even though the base models of the Sienna are cheaper to get all of the options that are standard Odyssey it would put the Odyssey being the better deal. As for the rear crashes you have to remember that the reason the Sienna didn't make out is the seat setting if the seats weren't adjustable to "accomodate a taller passenger" it automatically got a failing grade. Having sold both vehicles before either way is a safe bet. Good Luck enjoy your new van.
  • 05ody05ody Posts: 103
    Yes but, I'm sure the Odyssey's 255Hp(244) would take you up to speed a tiny bit faster then the Sienna's 230Hp(210) ;)
  • If you read the posts, you will conclude that hansienna was pulling his chain. FYI. It's all in fun!
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    Ody hp vs. Sienna hp:

    If you take into account the Ody's much higher curb weight, you might find the actual power to weight ratio's between these two to be fairly close. Besides, available torque and the gear ratios is probably a better indicator of potential performance than just a blind devotion to hp numbers. Regardless, I really don't think a couple of 1/10's of a second is really all that important between minivans. And I say all this as the owner of an Ody.

    Hey, let's argue about the design of the built-in 2nd row window shades instead!!! :blush:
  • davantdavant Posts: 294
    In the good community spirit of being a hansienna chain 'yank-ee' from down South, I want to point out a couple of more observations in a addition to the great info above. The Ody has a front and rear proximity warning system where the Sienna only has rear. This might come in useful if you are or are about to be rear-ended and I recommend keeping it in reverse while stopped see the wreck coming on cam on either model. Note that you can use the superior Ody HP to get out of the way jsut a scosh faster. The front system will warn you milliseconds before you clip a bumper, a useful alert that you may have just done a hit and run. That reminds me of a drink I invented called a hit and run... it's Vodka and Prune juice (bada-bing!). [Ewwww]

    The Sienna has adaptive cruise control so you can tailgate and read bumper stickers with ease or look for the nearest bathroom. I for one would have trouble trusting this autopilot.

    The Honda Navi seems better than the Toy one (pun intended).

    The concern of the day is how do both of these vehicles handle hurricane force winds? Us southerners might pay extra for a keel and weathervane, LOL.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    I was shocked that the 2004 Sienna LE had quicker, more powerful surge of power than the 2006 Odyssey EX when I test drove each. ;)
    Was the Sienna filled with 91 octane fuel and the Odyssey filled with only 85 octane? :blush:

    The slower Odyssey was much more responsive than was my 2002 T&C LX with only 180 HP on the same route. Where the Sienna JUMPED forward when I stomped on the accelerator pedal, the T&C shifted down 2 gears and roared...with very little increase in acceleration.
    I propose the new slogan for DaimlerChrysler: "Roar - NOT Go" for their 3.3L V6 and old fashioned 4 speed automatic transmission.
  • does anybody know when the 2006 toyota sienna's arrive at dealers. The new face lift is so much cooler... and interior get some more lux. upgrades... cant wait to test drive with my mom if i can make her trade her ody. in for the sienna. Anybody see the new Sienna... looks good ;)
  • ewtewt Posts: 127
    "I want to point out a couple of more observations in a addition to the great info above. The Ody has a front and rear proximity warning system where the Sienna only has rear"

    The Sienna has front and rear proximity sensors. However, I find the rear view camera to be much more useful than the sensors.
  • davantdavant Posts: 294
    Thanks, guess I forgot that the acitve cruise control on the Sienna also functions as a parking sensor. Point is, none of this is useful with an impending collision but it will certainly keep me from running over something left behind if I can just get used to that fisheye lens. Does the Sienna have the same rectal/portal point of view?

    In an unrelated matter... the only voice command lacking on the Ody, (it may be there, I'll check tomorrow) is, "Find nearest bathroom". Since JD Powers DEPENDS (cheap toilet humor joke) more on Toyota owners for initial feedback ratings than Honda owners, does the Sienna tromp on the gas if you say, "Find nearest bathroom NOW"?

    Nuff said
  • abinabin Posts: 18
    just ask for McDonald or other fast food stores for restroom.
    You will find problem to park your huge oddy or sienna at gas station and if you have elderly on board, you need restroom more often than gas station.
    Plus, you may have to get restroom key from cashier when you can not wait.
    So, that is a joke
  • Every dealer should have at least one? I'm in the midwest i have seen 2 all have been awd
  • 05ody05ody Posts: 103
    I know he was kidding I was just messing around too ;) and as for the weight, I know but I still found the Odyssey to be faster then my Aunts 04 Sienna LE. Perhaps its because she only uses regular gas instead of premium? I only use regular, but using premium would be usless in an Odyssey because you can get top performance on Regular. And the second row sunshade's are awsome, I would of never though I would ever have thoes in any of my vehicles, and didnt even know the Odyssey had it until I pulled the up the day I bought it :P
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    The Sienna surprised me since the transmission was more responsive and the Sienna felt quicker accelerating than the Odyssey.
    Apparently the performance of the two is so similar that the results will vary between which particular vehicle is tested. One Sienna will win one time, a different Odyssey the next, Sienna next, Odyssey next, and so on....
    Each was quicker than my T&C LX with 3.3L and would probably be quicker than a T&C/GC with the larger DC 3.8L.
  • davantdavant Posts: 294
    Geesh, can't we all agree to disagree on the rear end crash thread? Good assessment Hansienna. Fact or fiction, the Sienna feels quicker off the line probably due to the way they designed the transmission. The Sienna is 'reviier' than the Ody IMHO in that it tends to run at higher RPM's more freely utilizing it's slightly narrower powerband more readily, adding to a springing to life feeling (I can see the flames coming from both camps). Honda tuned their engine to be a little less peaky, more even toward a HP crescendo.

    Like it or not, premium fuel improves Sienna performance and is recommended, not required for this vehicle. If you want to see more of a performance difference, drive a new Nissan Altima with regular, cough. I had driven a coworkers new Altima with the 2.5 with premium in it and when she came to me asking about octane booster when she used regular I seized the opportunity to go get some (in her car of course) and it was somewhat doggish. Premium also helps the Ody a scosh, but to a lesser extent it was optimized to perform with regular. As stated before, all vehicles will make adjustments to avoid knocks and pinging. The Ody/Sienna comparison experience comes from a neighbor who has an '05 and both of us have tried at least one tank of premium, as purely an experiment.

    I encourage everyone to use the fuel that makes them feel comfy with the way either performs. Recognize that deviating from what is recommended is a compromise or wastes money if you go above. There's no sound reason to use 89 or 93 octane in an Ody, and you may consider using mid-grade in a Sienna as a compromise. If you money to burn on fuelish or foolish things, who are we to say no?
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