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Subaru B9 Tribeca (B9X)



  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 8,862
    ...but OEM fogs on my cars are pretty much a non-event, they are dismally dim and provide next to no light.

    Then why bother running them all the time?
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    Because it's a clear signal to oncoming traffic that your high beams are off. I'd rather that than being flashed by other drivers telling me to put my low beams on—and yes, my lights are properly aimed.

  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 8,862
    Bob - most of us are very cognizant of when the high beams of other vehicles are on or off. Running fog lights when not needed doesn't tell me their high beams are off. It tells me they don't know the proper use of automotive lighting.

    If it's for an additional source of lighting, I have to say that fogs don't add much illumination when it's not foggy out. If one wants more illumination, one should be running driving lights mounted in the same position and only when needed. Lastly, paisan noted that they're weak and don't add much light. To that comment is why I ask why bother.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Cause the OEM headlights I meant to say are not good sources of light. Yes I should mount driving lights, but I haven't done so yet. Forward OEM Fog lights are not an annoyance to other drivers IMHO, Forward DRIVING lights are an annoyance. Generally I will mount 2 Hella 4000s (Big Suckers) with 110w bulbs on a bull bar and wired to my high beams to really supplement my headlights on dark roads. Just haven't gotten around to it yet on my current truck.

    The fogs add a bit of extra light to fill in where the OEM headlights leave off, that's why I usually run them, it also make me more visable to other drivers as well, similar to DRLs.

  • morey000morey000 Posts: 384
    Scott! You're too cool. What a great mod. Something I really miss coming from my old Chevy Blazer that retained power until you opened the door. Boy I miss that!

    Where can I buy your box and instructions? I'm reasonably handy.

    You might want to post over on ScoobyMods: (Peaty will be impressed)

    And perhaps over at:

    I think you'll have yourself a nice little business.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    drop me an email i'd like to include this with our security installs.


    email mike at
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    "It tells me they don't know the proper use of automotive lighting"

    And why is that an issue? It doesn't bother me one bit as to whether people are using their fog lights properly or not. I just don't see this as a big deal. I'm much more concerned about being blinded by oncoming xenon headlights than I am by improperly used fog lights.

  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 8,862
    IMHO, use of foglights, driving lights, high beams or rear foglights when not needed is a distraction to other drivers. That's how I feel - it's merely my opinion.

    I was actually rather confused by your response. I still don't see how using foglamps keeps other drivers from flashing their brights. Does that have to do with Xenons?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I can answer that one - because the fogs go off when you have your brigths on.

    Remember, Bob lives in a pretty rural area with more deer than pedestrians. The roads aren't lit at night so he needs the fogs. I use them whenever I drive to his house.

  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 8,862
    That I can understand but fogs don't do a heck of a lot to light up a dark roadway. They're designed to illuminate a short distance down low so you can see under the fog. They do not illuminate a long distance so they are pretty much useless when no fog or snow is present. In reality, foglights are generally useful without any headlights when used in fog or snow. When I turn on the fogs on my Passat I get very little useful light in normal weather. But they shine (pun intended) under proper conditions.

    I drive in rural, dark, wooded areas in NH and ME all the time and know those conditions. Good driving lights (which I've had) or judicious use of high beams will out perform fog lights everytime.

    I have no problem with people using fog lights, driving lights, or high beams - as long as they use them properly.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Next time you're in the DC area, gimme a call. We should get together for lunch or something, but I'll show you my fogs ('98 Forester).

    The lighting improves rather dramatically with them on. For slow speeds, on a curvy country road, they are excellent. In fact the lighting in general for this model and year are quite good.

    My fogs are definitely not useless. They make a noticeable improvement. I can see the divider lines much better, and there's some overlap with the regular beams, maybe on the lower half of the light pattern, but it still helps.

    Useless on a straight autobahn, sure, but on a twisty, dark road with deer, priceless.


    Disclaimer: the headlights on Bob's wife's Forester (01 I think) just aren't nearly as good as my '98, nor are my wife's '02 Legacy headlights.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 8,862
    For slow speeds...

    And that's when foglights should be used. If you're blazing up the highway at 75 mph, you are out driving your foglights.

    Are yours aftermarket or OEM?
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    That the Fogs will burn up those 3M coatings and render your fogs useless! :)

  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 8,862
    Ah who cares about the original post? The internet is all about tangents!!

    Who among us hasn't started looking for information on valve stems and not wound up reading the secret KFC recipe?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    LOL mike, that was hilarious!

    We heard you loud and clear, buddy.

    At high speeds my fogs are off because they actually force you to focus too close in. You need to look farther ahead.

  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    I need to get some Hella 4000s installed on the Ramada!

  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    Yep, the fogs go on when your low beams go on. So it's easier (for me) to tell when oncoming drivers have have their high or low beams on.

    Again, for me driving with the fogs on has nothing to do with "looking cool." And the last point I want to make is I don't deliberately drive with my fogs on. Sometimes I do, and sometimes I don't. If Subaru had a dash light in the main instrument cluster (not down low on the dashboard), I would certainly pay more attention to it.

  • I think this just came out. Got a GOOD rating and the safest SUV out there. That means our insurance on the car should be dropping :)
  • I keep getting connection timeout connecting to that site....
    Can you post it here?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Saw that in another thread.

    Fantastic results. I e-mailed the link to my wife and she said that was the most compelling argument yet in favor of the Tribeca.

    If you look closely, you'll see every single sub-category is rated Good, in every single test.

    Straight As for safety. :shades:

  • morey000morey000 Posts: 384
    Here's something else that adds to safety. The AWD-VTD system does very well for handling. Watch the comparision with the volvo wagon- wow! (granted, it's a Subaru marketing video)
  • rblnrrblnr Posts: 124
    Got back-ended/side-swiped while stopped in my Tribeca the other day. Offending car was travelling at good speed, and made contact from the back of my drivers' side to the back seat door. I felt a jolt, but was quickly aware how solid the structure was. The rear-side crumpled (as it should) w/a lot of damage, the back drivers side door is in bad shape, but in the drivers seat I was completely isolated.

    As the tests show, this is a really, really solidly built car.
  • Yeah.. That was me posting in the wrong board by accident...
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    That was a video used in dealer training. It wasn't used as a marketing tool to the general public, i.e. only dealer employees were supposed to see it.

    I'm not surprised it leaked. I'm also not surprised that SoA hasn't tried to stop that leak. ;)

  • kmartinkmartin Posts: 427
    Glad you are OK...that's the most important thing. Thanks for your testimony... I am definitely filng that one in the back of my noggin.

    -Karen in AZ-
  • "Where can I buy your box and instructions? I'm reasonably handy."

    Umm.. the moderator deleted my message giving the URL of where to buy because we're not supposed to use this board for selling.

    If you visit board, and search on RRAP you can learn a lot more about this topic.

    Thanks for the interest!
  • x5killerx5killer Posts: 368
    Where can i get some 3m or other brand film for my B9
    s foglights. i think I asked this already but instead of an answer there was just a whole discussion about driving with your fog lights on or not.
  • terry92270terry92270 Posts: 1,247
    Try the 3M website, or a Google search. Track Auto, Pep Boys, or another of the major auto part chains would have it, or be able to order it.
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  • mikejlmikejl Posts: 78
    I got mine (X-pel brand, 3M film) from drivingcomfort at a substantial discount over the X-pel web site. The fog light pieces are easy to put on. The headlight pieces are rated for experts only.

    I have 40,000 miles on my Tribeca as of this evening. My foglights both cracked within six weeks of when I bought the car and both were replaced under warranty about a month later. That tells me that I applied the X-pel film at about 5,000 miles.

    The film is still as clear as the day I applied it and it has provided complete protection for the fog lights.

    I do not drive with my lights on during the day - that's what DRLs are for - but I always have the fog lights on at night when the low beams are on.

    The X-pel headlight protection film is 40 mils thick. I don't know how that compares to other products, but I can tell you it works as advertised. No cracking, no peeling, no yellowing and most importantly, no broken fog lights.
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