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Lexus LS 460/LS 460L Styling Impressions



  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    "Always seeing the glass half-empty when it comes to the LS... I am sure there were plenty of GOOD things said about the new LS in that article, but... oh well..."

    Ah, yes, our chilly friends to the north had only one complaint about the new LS - they said it's not as good as the German cars in the twisties. Otherwise, they couldn't say enough good about it.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 7,471
    It has gotten where people mention reliability as an afterthought, when, in reality, It is THE most important feature a car can have. It means everything about the car is well made and put together the right way. It means the tolerances are lower. It is the flag or signal that this is a great car. It also means that you will get home at night.

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    With back-to-back extended drives vs. the current LS430, and the S550.

    Anything else is way too subjective, and can become weighted down with preconceived notions and ignorance.

  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    The engine is a delight. It will drive the LS460 from standstill to 100km/h in a sportscar-like 5.7 seconds and maintain the athletic character with a bolt from 80km/h-120km/h in just 4.7 seconds. Unusual for Lexus is the pleasing throaty burble allowed when the V8 is asked for a best-effort.

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  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,690

    It's not a war, it's just a defensive stance. There are a lot of people in this world that never want things to change. They just don't like it when the applecart is pushed over. These reviews are so predictable. You're going to continue to see reviews from Europe and England that are defensive and look to attack anything subjective. The moment you see that you throw the review in the toilet. In those cases the reviewer is giving you his pre-conceived opinion not an honest review. On top of that these reviewers - in most if not all cases - are looking for a sports car and want sport first and luxury second - if at all. The buyers want luxury first and adequate handling. If they wanted a sports car they'd be buying it instead. They are buying a lux car not a sports sedan. The reviewers understand that but they simply take it out of the equation when they write their review or drive the car. On top of all that few, IF ANY, of these guys can afford any of these cars. Don't know about you - but I don't take the advice, nor value the opinion very much of a person that can't afford what I am intending to buy - and that goes for houses, cars, boats. electronics, jewelry or anything else that is a big ticket item. I don't mean that to sound high and mighty. I mean it from an experience point of view. Behavioral patterns and tastes are much more similar along demographic profiles of people.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Great points Len, thanks. And we miss you over in you know where.
  • cyclone4cyclone4 Posts: 2,302

    It amazes me how some of these reviews focus on the "race track" worthiness of the LS. They cannot put it through their thick skulls (I'm sure it's deliberate) that as you state, this is first and foremost a luxury vehicle with the most incredible technology to date. It is not suppose to feel and drive like a Corvette.

    Having said all this, it will be interesting to see what some of the major American car magazines have to say about the LS460L in the next few weeks.
  • rennyboschrennybosch Posts: 329
    The new LS460 spec mentions "SmartAccess with push-button start/stop". Does that mean that you can start the engine remotely from the key pod? Or does it just mean that instead of turning a key to start the engine, you just push a button on the dashboard? The former would be a very nice feature in hot places like Southern California, to start the air conditioner before you enter the car.
  • topspin628topspin628 Posts: 373
    I have to say that after reading the reviews to date, I don't see that it is negative in any way toward Lexus. Did they find some things to nit pick on, of course. That's their job. Do you expect them to say, "yep, it's perfect. End of review" ???
    This reminds me of the baseball announcer who gets accused of rooting for one team over another, by Both team"s fans! It's all how you take it. Seems to me they really like the car. I also think it's fine that MB and BMW go a different direction in what they emphasize since it gives us more choice in the type of ride we prefer. By the way, I saw the LS at the NY Auto show and I thought they did a great job with the design although it is a bit similar to the 7 series. I also saw the NY S550 at a dealer and it is quite a striking car as well. It seems like it's a good time to have 80-100 K burning a hole in your pocket for a lux car.
  • guestguest Posts: 770
    Is available now, mine has it, and it doesn't have a remote start feature that I know about. You just don't need a key out to get in or start it, as long as it's on you somewhere so it can be detected. It's kinda slick, but the remote start feature (that even Chevy has not, BTW) would be even better.
  • With all this buildup, I am dying here.
    So when do we start seeing the US reviews for the LS460 and when are they in showrooms?
    Seriously though, in every car mag there is like 3 reviews of some new mercedes variant (AMG this, that). While we comparitively rarely hear about Lexus models. I wish there were more articles getting into the fine details of cars like the LS460 (especially the technology)
  • oacoac Posts: 1,594
    I am going to guess its similar to what you have in the new IS/GS/ES... You still require to press the Start/Stop button, although you do NOT require to put a key into the ignition to start the car. It should just be on your body somewhere.
  • topspin628topspin628 Posts: 373
    I hope Lexus didn't err in putting too much hype in the new LS. They put themselves in a position where it seems to me that the car couldn't possibly live up to the anticipation.
    They claimed that it would be as big a breakthrough as the original. I'm from the school where it's better to under promise and over deliver.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,690
    They meant that from an LS600HL standpoint and 430-450 horses with that mileage and the level of luxury that car will bring for $80-100K will indeed reset the rules.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,690
    Thanks Pat. The other place is not for me at the moment though. Besides the 4 or 5 Lexus posters who are mainly posting here are all determined buyers of the car so speculating the data and price with everyone pitching together to find out things in advance is fun.
  • oacoac Posts: 1,594
    I also think its just good marketing, really.... When you push a new product you gotta create a buzz around it. And if that gets people flocking to the dealerships, the better. Hopefully you get to close (sell) some of these and make money. That's the name of the game.... Everyone plays it, one way or another. Doesn't BMW market itself as the "ultimate in driving" ? but is BMW ultimate in driving ? Nope... No one has accused BMW of false advertising or over-promising...
  • oacoac Posts: 1,594
    From Thailand...

    A few quotes...

    "But the LS is arguably the best place to be in its class. It may sound a little too ambitious to liken the LS to the multi-million baht Maybach. But the truth is the LS seems to be the only model around that runs close to offering comfort levels of that Teutonic badge..."


    "Which brings us to the dynamic side of the LS. As mentioned earlier in the report, the other snag Lexus hopes to iron out is performance.

    "The new LS comes with a high-output 4.6-litre V8 to replace the 4.3 unit in the LS430 predecessor.....

    Push the starter button and you can now hear the engine at idle, particularly when standing outside the car. In the old LS, it was so quiet that you might have thought that the engine wasn't cranked yet.

    The 380hp V8 of the LS460 is also more audible on the move. In fact, it's nice to hear some bit of that V8, particularly when you drag the rev counter near the redline. To some extent, it sounds classically sporty like in BMW's V8.

    Is that to say that refinement has been lost? No, the engine sounds solid at every engine speed. Has the quietness disappeared? Yes, and we don't mind that at all and, more importantly, it never sounds disturbing but purposeful for driving spirit.

    You don't need to ask about the LS460's performance: there's plenty of punch even at less than half-throttle. I slammed the gas after crossing the border from Austria to Germany, and noted how aggressively power was amassed all the way up to its 250kph limit top end.

    The LS460 is a fine-performer, particularly when you consider that it needs high-displacement motors of the Merc S500 and Bee-em 750i to match the LS460's performance credentials on paper.

    As you can see on the dynamic highlights diagram, new technologies have enabled the LS460 to lay such claims."
  • jd14jd14 Posts: 128
    I was wondering if you or any of the others posting here have seen the video that Edmunds added to their first drive article on the 460. I would almost say that it praises the new LS as being one of the most well-rounded fullsize luxury sedans on the market. Especially in the last part of the video, where they state that "the 2007 Lexus LS460 once again proves that you can have it all." I thought that the video seemed like the exact opposite of the last paragraph of the review. Anyway, it seems that some good reviews of the LS460 are surfacing.
  • dc661dc661 Posts: 71
    Autoweek 8/21 issue has a review. Mostly positive. Of note is Autoweek's estimated base price of $59,000. AWD will be available on the LS460 in the future. Traction/Stability control can be completely turned off with a button.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,690
    I'm sure every auto mag review you'll see here in the states will be good to excellent. Think about it - do you want to turn off Toyota and it's money machine's ad dollars. You'd have to be suicidal. Europe is a different story as they don't want Toyota making the inroads it's already making in the first place. But here, even if a reviewer hates the car the mag will scrutinize the byline and turn all the words around. IMO - trust no reviewer's subjective opinion (especially for example ones like the one that said the car does everything you want it to very well but subjectively it lacks the sense of occassion. That's nothing but writer BS), read between the lines of what he or she writes to get the real story and go test drive the car and see for yourself how it feels when it's available. I have no doubt it will be fabulous and I've talked first hand with someone who's already driven the car in LWB and hybrid form. The latter got praised to the sky.

    Price - starting price of $59K or $60K is more like it but forget about seeing any cars at that pricepoint. It'll ship mostly with $65-67K MSRP in SWB with a certain package of options included in virtually every car - IMO.
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    Usually you are correct, but I don't know if you can use that arguement that mags don't want to offend Toyota.

    C&D is the best American mag because they avoid milquetoast reviews that say nothing, and define nothing, like Automobile magazine does. You may disagree with their findings, or criterion, but they aren't shy about taking sides and choosing a preferred ride.

    GM vehicles are consistently bottom-feeders in their comparisons. Does GM not advertise with them?

    In "Short Drives", you will commonly see vehicles like Impala, Cobalt, Grand Prix receive back-handed compliments and being cited for underachievement, but yet, life goes on, as scheduled.

    Considering the Next LS is bigger, stronger, faster, more luxurious, and sexier than ever, and mags like C&D already admitted the LS430 was Best in Class, I wouldn't expect much negativity to surface.

    Lexus has put a lot of pressure on itself. But something tells me they wouldn't have it any other way. :)

  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,690
    I understand your point - I just doubt any US mag will put up negativeness on a car that has been this touted by Toyota. If we are talking the Corolla I'd be in 100% agreement with you. But the LS and LS600HL - given the press announcements - I'd say there is little chance. It's all irrelevant anyway - this car is going to be phenomenal. But what I'm hearing about the hybrid is off the charts. I hope that car is really a March/April delivery and man do I hope there are enough to go around.
  • ideleidele Posts: 200
    This article appeared in May on . It is apropos to the discussion in this subforum.
  • cyclone4cyclone4 Posts: 2,302
    Thank you idele! This is indeed very much apropos. Man, I wish it could be April of 2007 already. I just cannot wait for the LS600hL.
  • ideleidele Posts: 200
    My pleasure. Actually I posted this article on another forum when it first appeared. The statement
    "Journalists love to seize a single fact or incident and inflate it out of proportion"
    is so universally true.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,690
    Still another reason not to take any of these reviews or articles seriously. Most of the time they are written by "homers" who want certain brands to win or be discussed as near winners. That article was a business side article. It's a much worse situation in auto rag reviews, particularly outside this country. Bottom line - the more the author/reviewer disses or minimizes the excellent points about the company or vehicle, the more upset he or she is about both.
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    A post in another popular high-end forum, which will remain nameless, has resorted to calling the LS's Self-Parking feature "useless", since the driver must use the brakes for it to work.

    I guess this would create a very phony perception that the car in question is more "luxurious" by having such "useless gimmicks".

    Having lived in the Big Apple for 25 years, I know a few hundred thousand people who might see this feature as "essential"! ;)

  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    GM advertises plenty with C & D, and that doesn't matter anyway. Most GM offerings are outstandingly adequate, and C & D usually says so.
  • ideleidele Posts: 200
    Quoted from lerts

    But the slide show contains more than just the stuff of fantasy. Toyota Motor's (nyse: TM - news - people ) overhauled Lexus LS flagship sedan is a huge weapon in Lexus' arsenal, as it equips the brand to be something greater than it has ever been.

    The LS was the first Lexus, and since its introduction in 1989, it has set the tone for the luxury brand. LS cars run like sewing machines; they are reliable and smooth, but they don't exactly get your blood going--until now.

    With a zero-to-60 time of just over five seconds, the new LS is a sexy, sporty, even sinister sedan--something we never thought we'd say about the sophisticated-but-polite Lexus all-star. Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Jaguar, Maserati and Cadillac should all be terrified of the new LS.
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    But it's preety obvious they didn't have an extended drive with the car, and are extrapolating information from the press release.

    September will see many actual press vehicles sent to all major outlets, and by it's on-sale date, it will have probably been compared 2-3 times.

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