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Mazdaspeed3 vs. VW V GTI vs. Civic Si



  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    yes, the drivetrain in the recent Focus in the U.S. is Japanese. So was the 1.8 in the '91 Escort GT/Tracer LTS.

    Not totally. The 2.0 and 2.3 Duratec is a Mazda design but built by Ford. Only the 4F27E (4 sp auto) tranny is a Mazda. The 1.8 in the Escort GT and Tracer was totally Mazda, also used in the Miata.

    It's a shame that we are not going to get the Mk2 Focus over here. That is one helluva vehicle...
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    good info here guys.

    i didn't realize that the focus was reffered to in 'marks' like vw's are. i just thought they were generations.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    didn't realize that the focus was reffered to in 'marks' like vw's are.

    In Europe they are!

    I especially like the Focus RS... the current Focus has been rated the most reliable vehicle in its segment in Germany, outdoing all [non-permissible content removed] and German brands....why the heck do they not give it to us!?!?!
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    "the current Focus has been rated the most reliable vehicle in its segment in Germany, outdoing all [non-permissible content removed] and German brands...."

    That's incredible for an European car (MkII Focus)! This credit must go to Mazda, as European's MkI Focus never had a chance to run on Japanese-designed powerplant (did they?).

    By the way, the MkII RS was cancelled. Here's the MkIII regular Focus. Watch out, it's coming to America in the distant future, but even the MkII's overall width is so fat that the 6-ft-wide Lexus LS430 can't match.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    If it does, it is the very distant future. For just came out with its new 2008 Focus for NA. The MKIII would definitely save Ford over here.
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    yeah def in the VERY distant future, if at all. if it does, i doubt it will look exaclty like this either.

    the new focus is coming out soon and there have already been pics of it, and its nothing to write home about. and it certainly looks nothing like this.

    the interior still looks a bit chintzy though.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    God, the 2008 N/A Focus is down right ugly.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    Since the Euro-market MkV Jetta's are built in Mexico, & this frugal super-&-turbo charged 1.4 is being assembled just south of our border...

    Aren't we getting this engine soon? A lighter-nose 4-cyl Rabbit/Jetta should handle better than the 5-cyl one.
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    actually no, we are not getting it at all. maybe it will be a choice in the newer mkVI, but the only thing that is happening to the rabbit and jetta is a horsepower bump to 170 and torque is up to 177.

    i dont see any problems with the handling of the mkV chassis though, especially not in gti/rabbit guise; it handles well enough. the rabbit is still built in germany too, only the engine is sourced from mexcio. The jetta, however, is built there.
  • I've driven the Speed 3, the GTI, even the little Mini Cooper S. None compare the the Civic SI in refinement, handling or all out fun to drive in my opinion. Plus it is cheaper and much more reliable to boot. The best by far. :D
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    Have you driven all 4 on the same road course?

    "all out fun to drive" is subjective, which is OK. I just don't think the Si was all that fun to drive. The Mini was the most fun, by far, in my opinion.
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    long time no post fanboy!

    if the si is the most fun in YOUR OPINION, how is it also the 'best by far'? :blush:
  • For those of you who don't comprehend, I will expl ;) ain. I prefer the SI to the GTI, the MS3, the Mini cooper "S", the Nissan Sentra SER Spec V, etc. To me, the SI rocks. Just superior in all facets of driving. I'm sorry if you don't agree. Thanks. ;)
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Posts: 6,257
    I can understand it. That's why they make various cars...not all of us like the same things.
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 9,454
    I can understand it. That's why they make various cars...not all of us like the same things.

    Agreed. I went with the Mazdaspeed3; I loved the MCS JCW but I needed a larger rear seat. The Si was OK, but I already have one car that needs to be wound tight in order to make brisk progress. The GTI had the best interior but I didn't want a sunroof and the local VW dealer wasn't enthusiastic about special ordering a car. So far I love the MS3, and I'll probably keep it for a few years, or at least until BMW sticks the twin turbo diesel in the 1er...

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport / 2014 M235i / 1999 Wrangler / 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2016 i3 REX/2004 X3 2.5i Son's: 2009 328i

  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    if i was a uneducated person with regards to the cars in this segment, i would have no clue why you think the si is better, because you never give any real reasons.

    BUT, being a honda enthusiast (as well as a vw enthusiast), i CAN figure out MAYBE why you do enjoy it. But i also remember the days when i pledged loyalty to only one car and couldn't see the good in others. You obviously have not gotten to this point.

    price and long term relaiability aside, its actually the gti that probably does everything good and not one thing amazing (except for torque everywhere on the rev range and a flawless interior), as oppossed to the si or ms3 which specialize in certian things.

    again something you probably wont understand.
  • Whether or not eldaino understands my reasoning for making a post is not relevent. I simply made a comment. Actually, I have owned 3 VW GTI's in the past and really like them but for there poor reliability. :)
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    why are referring to me in the third person?

    and no, its not irrelevant, its actually very central to understanding some of the things you type on this website.
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  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 7,775
    about .3 seconds faster to 60 MPH, and is a blast to drive, very fun.
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  • davertdavert Posts: 23
    Volkswagen GTI cornering seems just fine. Rabbit will probably be very similar though less busy since the wheels/tires will be more pragmatically sized. With the horsepower of the regular Rabbit comes extra weight - I wonder how much faster it is compared to the original? ... my own GTI impressions are in this Volkswagen GTI car review.
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    i belive the corninering is fine too, and there is a quite a bit of grip...but the body roll is nothing to write home about, as both the si and mazdaspeed 3 control it better. maybe only the new wrx is worse.

    dunno how much quicker than the original the new bunny is, but its quite a bit quicker than the model it replaces...with the same fuel economy.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    while all these Mazdaspeed3/VW V GTI/Civic Si are penalty boxes over bumpy roads.

    The Rabbit is luxurious, as its optional ipod includes a front center armrest w/ rear-seat A/C vents behind it, same as the GTI.

    Anyway, after my test drives, I've decided to own the 2.3 Focus ST. It handles way sharper, & especially its feel-ful steering makes it much more fun than the Rabbit, while still rides less nervously than even the non-turbo 2.3 Mazda 3S.
  • I've just had the pleasure of test driving the new 30th Edition GTI on a race track and boy it was good fun (extra 35bhp or so over Mk V GTI, 18 inch black alloy wheels, leather race seats, polished drilled steel pedals, etc). It didn't seem to want to let go on the corners no matter how hard it was pushed! I haven't tested any of the competitors cars mentioned here such as the MazdaSpeed3 or Honda Civic Si, but was wondering if anybody here has tested the 30th Edition GTI against these other cars and how they compared?
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    OK, you guys all want hardcore versions to compete w/ the hard-riding Mazdaspeed3.

    Now it's Civic's turn:

    & priced to match. :P
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    are you in europe? because we have no edition 30 gti here!

    the extra hp torque would be nice though!
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    i dunno about penalty boxes...i know they are stiffer than the rabbit (especially the si and mazdaspeed) but i would hardly call the gti a pentalty box, as its the most softly sprung out of all of them minus the regular versions of each respective car.

    the bunny is pretty darn luxurious though.

    creakid...i'm suprised you say that the focus st rides less 'nervously' over roads than the 3...i test drove one the other day and it was good fun, and sportier than my rabbit.

    is the st the c-1 chassis? i was always under the impression that the c-1 chassis can only be found under the euro focus...
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    creakid, i would hardly call this the 'hardcore' version.

    a free-er flowing exhaust and slighlty stiffer suspension...this is just a limited edition for some jdm fanboys.

    the civic that would fit your description was reviewed recently on insideline: the jdm civic type r sedan :222 hp, 8500 redline, 18 lightweight wheels, and incredibly well handling suspension that actually allows this civic to lap FASTER than a stock s2k, and brembro brakes.

    that is a hardcore civic.
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 9,454
    It's a nice appearance package, but IMO it's not worth 29K.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport / 2014 M235i / 1999 Wrangler / 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2016 i3 REX/2004 X3 2.5i Son's: 2009 328i

  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 9,454
    this is just a limited edition for some jdm fanboys.

    You nailed it. All show, with very little-if at all-extra go.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport / 2014 M235i / 1999 Wrangler / 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2016 i3 REX/2004 X3 2.5i Son's: 2009 328i

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