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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 58,005
    I got this--took me a minute to study it. Very rare Ferrari--only 36 made, and if you saw 3 of them together they'd all be a little different. You're looking at maybe $4 million bucks there.

    and it is......? A 400 Superamerica coupe. No idea of the year but let's throw out 1964.

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  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 18,777
    edited September 25
    Yup, Ferrari 400 Superamerica Aerodynamico ca. 1962-'64. Some versions had faired in headlights.

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    '17 F150 Crew 2.7; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '09 LR2 HSE. 44-car history and counting!

  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 18,777
    LOL!

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  • magnettemagnette London UKPosts: 2,443

    A lot of cars are visible from this overhead picture. Supposedly about 1950 but many of the cars have headlight on separate pods instead of built-in mounts. From Winchester, Indiana via a facebook hometown type link of county-wide pictures.
    Headlights went into fenders circa 1936--1938. So, if the photo was taken right after WW II, it could be late 40s for sure, because new cars were hard to come by until about 1948. So I'd guess it's earlier than 1950, maybe just pre-war or just post-war.



    I thought I would give it a go with these more ancient cars and have found one which looks post war - third car back on the left hand side next to the lamp post is an Oldsmobile and I would say 1946-8 judging by the grille.

    However the two in front of it are older - I'm guessing a Ford from 1941 and a Chevrolet from 1937. And behind it a 41 Chevrolet a while coupe which looks too new to be pre-war and then I thought another Oldsmobile (next to the second lamp post) but a wartime one - that heavy double deck grille..
    Behind that just a guess but that car looks like an upright Hudson ?
  • jpp5862jpp5862 DenverPosts: 1,087
    andys120 said:


    I first thought an Eldorado until I saw the suicide doors. I didn't know Cadillac made a sedan with those. I'm stumped as to the exact model.
  • tmarttmart Spring, TXPosts: 1,212
    58 Eldorado Brougham
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 18,777
    tmart said:

    58 Eldorado Brougham

    Yup, like most '58s the Caddys were a bit overwrought but oddly less so than most. I think the Eldo's designers did a great job of making it look like a two-door although I suspect access to the rear wasn't great.

    All the restraint that went into this design went out the window in 1959 as Caddy came out with the most outrageous design of that (or any) year.


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  • fintailfintail Posts: 42,463
    There was also an Eldo Brougham in 59, very understated for the time, showing where Caddy would be in a few years:

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    I think the Eldo Broughams might have been the first cars with narrow band whitewalls.
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 18,777
    fintail said:

    There was also an Eldo Brougham in 59, very understated for the time, showing where Caddy would be in a few years:

    image

    I think the Eldo Broughams might have been the first cars with narrow band whitewalls.

    Wow, that pic threw me for a loop, I thought it had to be a 1961 model because of the modest fins and the shape of the windshield but itlacks the lower fin that '61s had so I did some surfing and came up w this a 1959 Eldroado Brougham Pininfarina>



    The brochure doesn't mention Pininfarina's involvement which is odd, since by then they were recognized as the premier design house but you can see their flash emblem just ahead of the door. The restrained form compared to regular Eldos just about shouts Italian design and you're correct in stating that this car which only sold a few hundred presaged the handsomer Caddys of the 60s.

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  • berriberri Posts: 7,903
    So I'm a bit confused. What makes a Cadillac a Biarritz vs a Brougham? Seems like they may have had both for 57/58?
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 18,777
    Berri, you aren't the only one confused. :s :s :

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  • berriberri Posts: 7,903
    OK, I've done some research and am still not totally clear, but here goes for 57/58: Biarritz appears to be a top line convertible and possibly coupe (although in 59 the Eldorado coupe was a Seville). The Brougham was the top of the line 4 door. Then there is Fleetwood. This model line seems to have bounced around a bit, but basically is a top line on an extended wheelbase (sedan and limo). But I'm welcoming input from anyone with better knowledge!
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America I70 & I75 Posts: 21,431
    edited September 26
    berri said:

    OK, I've done some research and am still not totally clear, but here goes for 57/58: Biarritz appears to be a top line convertible and possibly coupe (although in 59 the Eldorado coupe was a Seville). The Brougham was the top of the line 4 door. Then there is Fleetwood. This model line seems to have bounced around a bit, but basically is a top line on an extended wheelbase (sedan and limo). But I'm welcoming input from anyone with better knowledge!

    Now that you have that, explain the short deck business jumping from various models to models and the Park Avenues. That was the early, early 60s. LOL
    I remember the first Park Avenue I saw at a car show a few years ago. I didn't even remember that Cadillac had a Park Avenue. I had to go home and look up the history.

    http://www.curbsideclassic.com/curbside-classics-american/curbside-classic-1963-cadillac-park-avenue-the-original-seville/

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 42,463
    I've always thought Brougham was the super duper low production top of the line - these cars were 10K+ in the late 50s. Biarritz was the normal top of the line coupes/convertibles, Fleetwood was the normal top of the line for sedans.
  • berriberri Posts: 7,903
    Now that you have that, explain the short deck business

    Forgot all about that Fleetwood 60 Special Ima. I think it was more a 60's thing, but I always liked the greenhouse and formal C pillar on them.

    Fin, I think the terminology and verbiage could vary from some years to others. Brand management I suppose B)
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 18,777
    Look alikes?



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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 25,935
    headlights a little, but not at all close to me otherwise.

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  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoPosts: 63,137
    Probably better to show the Q50 and G70 side by side.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 58,005
    Well you're going to see the "Audi Arc" (at the driprails) on most modern cars---blame it all on the Audi TT if you rankle at the repetitiveness of modern car design.

    So what's a designer to do? He can a) go retro; b) he can do a Full Honda Type R or c) he can fiddle around the edges.

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 42,463
    I don't see an Audi arc so much as an Audi grille.
  • berriberri Posts: 7,903
    ...aka - the bass mouth ;)
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 58,005
    You don't see the Audi Arc displayed quite as obviously in a 4-door, since it developed in the TT originally. But it was a ground-breaking design for rooflines.

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  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 18,777




    I'd say the Infiniti roof line owes more to BMW than to Audi (there's that Kinky kink again)

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 67,949
    Seen in Portugal.  What is it?

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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 25,935
    Looks like a catarham 7?

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  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 18,777
    stickguy said:

    Looks like a catarham 7?

    Unless it's a Lotus Seven

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  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoPosts: 63,137
    andys120 said:


    Ferrari 308 GTS - Magnum's car, only yellow.

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