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Ford Mustang (2005) vs. 2005 Pontiac GTO



  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Posts: 1,926
    ... Also it pays to look at HP skeptically. It's rated 300 for the Mustang at very high RPMs (torque too is rated at high RPM). When you look at the graph, at driving range, the HP is much lower. Another thing is the actual power delivered to the rear wheels, which is also significantly lower. That "300" figure is basically for comparison purposes, as I see it. :shades:

    You do realize that all cars' HP numbers are rated at the CRANK and not the wheels? A stock GTO's dyno numbers will also be much lower. Using the "law of averages" when studying a Mustang GT dynograph will show that the Mustang GT actually makes a bit over 300HP at the crank. ;)
  • jae5jae5 Posts: 1,206
    Better built, hmmmmmm, pretty subjective. Better performing, subjective as well. My take is this: both are good vehicles, are screwed together pretty well and am much improved over the previous offerings in this group by each maker (front-engine, RWD, V8 power 2-dr coupe - stretching it for Poncho cause the last vehicle to fit this was f-body), and either one car beat the other on any given day. It's done to personal preference, options, liveability and ability to fit the person's particular needs.

    So as always, agree on some things, disagree on others.

    Anyways, yes I do plan on tracking the car this year when it gets warmer. I'll be checking forums occasionally to see when get togethers and events are taking place.

    That's good you'll be track-testing. There are a couple of all-Pontiac events up here, usually one in late spring - early summer, and then one in early fall, like mid-September. Didn't make it to the latter one, but a buddy of mine at work took his Goat ('66 Tri-Power 4spd). So maybe I'll see you at one of those, or any of the other events race events @ Joliet, St. Louis, etc).

    Must admit am curious at a GT500 & GTO run.
  • I don't know about you guys, but I don't do much of my driving in the 4000-5000 RPM range, where the Mustang GT produces its 300 HP and 320 ft-lbs torque. In real-life driving situations, I'm usually only tapping 225-245 HP. Same holds for all cars, btw, where the quoted max HP is produced at only high RPM's.

    There's an analogy to stereo amplifiers. You rarely use the quoted watts. Much more important to performance is the amplifier's ability to instantly supply amperage, for which you need a big transformer and big capacitors (not cheap) -- that's why so many dinky inexpensive amps can claim high wattage, like the Shaker's "500". The automotive equivalent of amps, I guess, would be torque.
  • But the one thing I like in the GTO is that the LS2 V8 makes 320 ft-lbs torque at only 1500 rpm. So barely have to hit the gas in everyday driving. Torque curve is tremendous on that engine. Lot of low end grunt. It keeps going all the way to 6000+ rpm like an OHC engine, even though it isn't.
  • carlots, impressive graph, but the source appears to be the manufacturer, not exactly impartial.
  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Posts: 1,926
    Yeah, it's hard to get a 300M out of your system for some reason. My sister's was totalled. She replaced it with an '02 Lexus GS300, but sometimes she still wishes she had her 300M! :surprise:

    My Mustang GT owes some thanks to my 300M Special for it ending up in my garage. I was going to trade it for an '05 Audi A6 4.2 but was having a REALLY hard time parting with it. The option was keep the 300M and get a second, sports coupe or trade the 300M for a powerful luxury sedan. Well the 300M is plenty luxurious even in comparison to the current luxury car crop, and is amazingly sporty for its size and drivetrain layout. I just needed a little something extra. Something in the form/tune of a V8. The fact that the A6 is so much smaller inside and the GT sounds so good... ;)
  • From

    Driving Impressions
    Even though enthusiasts criticize the GTO for not being true enough to the original, Pontiac managed to inject quite a bit of muscle-car personality into it. With the first-year V-8, a manual-shift GTO produced ferocious responses and snarling sounds. Though it quieted down in upper gears, noise never disappeared. Adding an extra 50 hp turns this coupe into an even more emphatic, snorting beast.

    Like most muscle machines, the rear-drive GTO is more adept on straightaways than through serious curves. The ride is firmly taut, but it's not unpleasant on the highway. While it's not so bad on bumps, you might get signs of imperfect construction during those stretches. The manual gearshift is inviting to use but less positive than some. The seat bottoms are short, but support is good.

    Trouble is, you can say this, that, and the other about this car, but overall it just fails to distinguish itself from the crowd, looks like some toy Japanese slot racer, not a real American bruiser.

    The Mustang, by contrast, has wowed both reviewers and consumers.
  • It seems there are plenty of naysayers, but people who actually buy a GTO love them to death! At least I do! Thats why the GTO was the top vehicle in the JD Power Appeal study's Sporty Car segment!

    Car and Driver. Interesting that the GTO outscores (or ties) the Mustang in all categories EXCEPT "the gotta have it factor,"

    In the battle of brawn, GTO gets nod over Mustang.

    It's all opinion, I prefer the GTO, you prefer the Mustang. There is no perfect car. There are things I dislike on my GTO. As for blending in with the crowd, got to disagree with you. I get many people in traffic and in store parking lots complimenting me on the car and asking about it etc.

    Ultimately I don't buy my cars based on what reviewers say, many are biased. Just to let you know there are reviewers that did pick the GTO over the Stang. Finally, I don't like high volume cars such as the Mustang, that you see to many of. My opinion.
  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Posts: 1,926
    ... Finally, I don't like high volume cars such as the Mustang, that you see to many of. ...

    What did you drive before you got your GTO?
  • 2000 Daytona 500 Grand prix 2 door GTP. They only sold 2,000 of these.
  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Posts: 1,926
    But how many Grand Prixs did they sell? And how is that one distinguished from any other run-of-the-mill Grand Prix?
  • Don't know the # of GP sold. I do know that only about 20% of the Grand Prix sold were 2 door models. Thats why GM cancelled the 2 door after 2002. Personally I only see 4 door GP's around me, very few 2 door ones.

    The daytona only comes only in Silver-Metallic exterior paint, unique exhaust tips, wheels, spoiler, Daytona 500 graphics on car, nascar style roof fences, heat extractors on hood and 2 tone interior. It is very easily identifiable from a normal 2 door GP. can't miss it.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    Just out of curiousity: how many of your previous vehicles have been Pontiacs?

    Is it possible you bought the GTO out of brand loyalty as much as some other factors?
  • jae5jae5 Posts: 1,206

    Have a question. I was in the market for a GTP in that timeframe ('99-'00) and the only Daytonas I saw were in blue. Was the Silver-Metallic an option? or vice-versa? I do agree it is identifiable from a regular GP, think the hood extractors and exhaust tips help somewhat.

    At that time most of the GP GTPs I saw were 2 doors, and of the 4-doors most were either the GT or GTP. I saw very, very few SE models. Pontiac lost me when they dropped the 2-door and I've never warmed to the restyled 2002 GP.
  • Total of 3 Pontiacs before the GTO, but have had many other domestics and foreign cars in between those as well.

    No brand loyalty. My 2000 GTP had a lot of issues. I only bought the GTO because Pontiac didn't make it, Holden did. One of it not GM"s best quality cars and interiors, IMHO.
  • The 1998 Daytona 500 Grand Prix was the one that was only made in blue. They made 1500 of those. The 2000 Daytona I had was made in Silver only.

    Too bad GM cancelled the 2 door GP in 2002 and the F body the same year. The 2003 GP was the same minus the 2 door. GP was restyled for 2004 and I don't care for it, esp the rear.
  • jae5jae5 Posts: 1,206
    Thanks for the info.

    Like you, don't care for the restyle. Am still a fan of the 1997 - 2003 body style, particularly the coupe. Even the 4-dr was nice looking, with the coupe-like lines.
  • My last six vehicles have consisted of 3 Fords, 2 Chevys and a Toyota. I am not partial to anyone. I drove a manual '05 GTO and a manual '05 Mustang GT. The GTO is parked in my garage. The Mustang is still parked at the dealership. A stock '05 Mustang GT will never beat a stock '05 GTO. In fact, I have beaten an F-150 SVT Lightning in the 1/4 mile and was less than a car-length behind an '04 Cobra with intake/exhaust mods and 315's on the back. If it comes down to performance, go GTO (although I would also give the interior nod to GTO as well). As far as exterior looks, the Mustang indeed looks good. But, it is far more fun, as you slow down and let them go by, watching them try to figure out what just blew their doors off!
  • Yeah ok, we can tell you're new here.

    1st, lets get one thing clear...the GTO does not "blow the doors off" the GT, I think even the GTO owners will agree to that. The posted performance numbers are very close.

    Also, I think we've heard that statement about a stock GT will never beat a stock GTO one too many times. I think everyone here knows that. That is not the issue. It's performance vs dollars, and as priced, both in the majority of reviews, and even if you look at Pontiac's or Ford's site, you can't be the price of the GT for the power you get.
  • Both cars are great buys for what you get. Price per hp they are about the same, $83 a hp. Don't forget the leftover 2005 GTO's are steals at $27k or less. Even the rare leftover 2004 GTO's are steals at under $23k.
  • charts2charts2 Posts: 618
    GM announced today Feb 21/06 that the GTO will not continue on with a new platform for 2007. Cars will be produced until June and available up until Sept. Pontiac dealers are being notified that the GTO is finished.
  • What?!! No comments by the beloved GTO owners? How sad.

    Here is one link to the story in case any one is interested.

    Bye Bye GTO
  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Posts: 1,926
    Just gotta fan the flames, don't you? :blush:
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    "What?!! No comments by the beloved GTO owners? How sad."

    Perhaps because it's not really news to most of them. I think it's been kicked around for the last couple of weeks in the GTO forum.

    Also, demise of the GTO may hasten GM to bring the new Camaro to market quicker rather than later. That's pure conjecture on my part.
  • If the GTO is so good, why is it suffering a "demise"? And, please, don't give me any of that "the good die young" jive.

    (A car that ain't commercially viable is a car I stay away from.) :shades:
  • Little ol the flames.... no..never... :surprise:
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    "If the GTO is so good, why is it suffering a "demise"?


    Where did I insinuate that the GTO was a success?

    I thought it was plain from the Edmunds report that GM wasn't satisfied with the sales numbers. All I was trying to do was to say that with the GTO gone, that GM might speed up the release of a Camaro.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 10,141
    I've been a GTO critic for a while. That said, I am sorry to hear of its demise. I had actually looked into buying one a couple of times. My reasons for not buying are varied. But, the fact that I looked at them is a testament that I thought they would be a good performance car.

    I had wished that GM would build one on a new platform, give it the styling it deserved and made it a true competitor to the new Mustang.

    I'll be sad to see the GTO go away. I thought it had tons of potential. But, if there's a silver lining, it sounds like maybe/perhaps GM will build the Camaro for the '09-'10 model year. Still, it was my hope that Pontiac would carry the banner...staying true to its "performance" division moniker, with a new GTO.

    RIP GTO....we hardly knew you.
    2018 Acura TLX SH AWD ASpec
  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Posts: 1,926
    It's bad for the breed for them to go, but it's good that GM constantly drops its musclecars to THE wayside. It helps to humble the GM fanboys, knocks 'em down a few pegs. ;) Notice there haven't been any rebuttals from them since the official word came out? Also notice that the Mustang guys haven't been like, "Ooooh! In yo' face! It stings, don't it!? Seein' "a Mustang on every corner" stings!" Except for that little jab that cobragt did a few posts ago. :P

    Not to worry, the new Camaro will be here soon enough and they'll be bragging to their hearts' desire again. :sick: Hopefully it can hang on more than 3 model years. Ooooo!

    j/k ;)
    It's no fun beating up on the imports and sport compacts all the time. LONG LIVE AMERICAN MUSCLE!! :)
  • mparis1mparis1 Posts: 107
    Three years before a "camaro"....come on we 60's and 70's muscle guys will be in the home soon, driving wheel chairs with a rabbit tail. Looking forward to the DODGE CHALLANGER-HEMI, HOPEFULLY IT WILL BE OUT SOON. Pontiac/GM just tickled us with the GTO. Love mine, real fun car, old style muscle with new 2000 technology. GUESS THEY COULD NOT AFFORD TO SPEND MONEY ON A "GREAT NAME" . Who knows if GM we be around in 3 years? I also hear that "TOYOTA" is getting into NASCAR. Perhaps they will come out with a BIG V8 Camry. Then there will definitely be no GM muscle car. Look what they did to their regular car line---------destroyed it. So I will be looking for my street-hemi when my GTO LEASE is over and i get ready for the wheel-car. Really disappointed , but GM is in deep trouble. :( :(
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