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Lexus ES 350



  • djdjdjdj Posts: 111
    I ending up buying a 2008 ES350 with XM. My dealer said they only mount the antenna in the rear package shelf. Works fine once the single got activated. Quite a pain to get that done. The salesman said he has a lot of trouble with XM activations.

    Unfortunately we've had a lot of snow in Cleveland and I won't drive the new car in that so its seen a lot of garage time. Maybe tomorrow I'll take it out.

    Love it so far.
  • Just a quick question. Does the rear seat fold down or is it just a pass thru like the TL? Thanks
  • The rear seat in the ES350 just has a pass thru. All model ES's from the 1992 until the present did not have fold down rear seats.
  • anyone with an ES having unusual engine noise?

    kind of a loud "tick" for a while with a cold engine
  • gkoffgkoff Posts: 36
    Is there a button to disable the traction control system on the ES 350? Most cars have a button to turn it on/off. I literally can't get up my snowy driveway with TRAC on. Once the wheels slip the engine cuts back and I stop going forward.
  • djdjdjdj Posts: 111
    I know what you mean. I've had my ES about three weeks. I noticed it the other night. When cold, it had a rough sound, almost like an old diesel engine. My noise goes away very quickly once the engine gets a little warm. Does yours also get quiet pretty soon?
  • we drive about 10 minutes to work each way and the noise goes away right when we get there...makes a good car seem "cheap"....what do you think?
  • qkslvrqkslvr Posts: 34
    We have a 2008 es350 with the Ultra pkg and ML audio. The dealer installed the Sirius. We are having reception problems that have gradually gotten worse. It now takes 5-10 minutes of drving before we can get satellite signal. Anyone else having this problem? We have the inside windshield antenna. I even had special window tint used that was non metallic to ensure no interference with satellite or GPS.
  • djdjdjdj Posts: 111
    I have XM radio with the inside rear window antenna; little black box by the high level brake light. For me it works fine. The rear window is so big maybe it gives better access to the signal. It even receives the signal before I back out of the garage in the morning.
  • djdjdjdj Posts: 111
    I find it disappointing considering how quiet a Lexus is supposed to be. I think mine warms up faster than 10 minutes. After about 2 minutes I either forget about it or it has gone away. Once that noise is gone, I think the car is really quiet. I do wish it had about one inch more headroom though.
  • MikeMike Posts: 13
    We have had our new 2008 ES350 for 6 weeks. One long trip, Fl. to NY. Used mid-grade gas, averaged 30mpg at ave. speed (on the display) of 69mph. That means we had to drive 75mph or a bit above quite a lot to average that. The travel is very comfortable, excellent equipment. This is a luxury car not a drivers car. We traded a 2002 Audi A6 Quattro. The A6 has a better suspension for high speed driving. The A6 has a better transmission control. The ES manual control is rinkydink and provides no real control of shifting. Very disappointing. This costs a couple of mpg in city driving. You can't get this thing into the higher gears. If you hammer the accelerator on the A6 you leap straight forward in a controlled manner. Not so w/the ES. Torque steer is quite a handfull. The guages are about the same as you will find on a 4 cyl. $16K econobox. (but much prettier) The A6 has lots of system info. Of course the A6 ride is stiffer, with less body roll in tight corners. The cupholder for the drive is difficult to use when driving. Poor placement. Interior lighting is pretty but not functional. Very poor lighting. The ES trunk is poorly shaped compared to the deep and square sided A6 and hard to pack efficiently. The A6 had free maintenance to 50K miles then, 50 dollar deductable on repairs to 100K miles. (96K miles with no repairs except 2 headlights) Excellent! Lexus is going to rock my world with maint. expense.

    OK, the ES has opportunities. is a beautiful car that is nice to travel in. The seat adjustments, steering wheel adjustments, headlight control and keyfob starting system are all very nice features. I am looking forward to enjoying this car. We have a Corvette and Nissan 4 wheel drive truck, so my driver issues may be satisfied with them. If you are buying an ES think about what you want. It is pleasant to the eye, powerful, comfortable and fuel efficient.
  • Mike,

    You sound like you are a true 'drivers' kinda guy...sports car fan...A lot of negatives and IMO I would have not forked over the cash to the get this car....I would have stayed in the Audi column...or some other stiff/sports brand...but hey if you're throwing away money throw some my way..... :)

    The ES is NOT a drivers car as you are now so painfully aware of, I think a test drive AND some elementary research online...would have revealed this to you. So beware all you 'sporty' types....Can't understand why those who prefer the EURO or sports brands go with the ES, disappointement is generally the result...too sad.... The few little positives you mentioned.... perhaps you would be better off parking it and admiring how good looks it in the shade... :confuse:
  • Dear Johnymack,
    I own ES 350 as well and is 1 year old. Good to read your remarks in avoiding the servicing cost. Last time I went for 100 miles servicing and Lexus Hartford, CT charged me $197. Felt like getting ripped off as I knew apart from changing oil, rotating the tiers and a good wash, nothing else was done.

    So again my service is due for for 15K and called Lexus to find out this time the service charge is going to be $290. Crazy. Reading the service manual nothing else other than Oil and Filter, Tier Rotation is due. Don't understand why these guys have to fool us with this kind of service charge.

    Called Firestone and Auto care service station and you are right. Probably I'll get the oil and filter change done under $70 for sure.

    Lexus Service center is 65 miles from my place so can't afford to go over there.

  • sanishsanish Posts: 66
    15,000 mile
    Oil/Filter change:$55
    Tax, Disposal fees, etc:$5
    Tire Rotation:$0 (Discount Tires)
    Car Wash:$0
  • klee3klee3 Posts: 55
    You've got to be kidding. $197 for 10,000 mile service and $297 for 15,000 mile service? Mine has 9k miles now. I'm not looking forward to getting ripped off. I had a 2004 Acura TL which required service (oil change) every ~7500 miles (depending on the indicator). It only cost me $29.99 for an oil change and about $250 for 30k mile service. Boy, do I regret trading in the TL for ES 350?!? This is ridiculous!
  • MikeMike Posts: 13
    Was that a charge from the Lexus dealer? Yesterday I did my 20K scheduled maintenance on our new ES350. Just an oil change and tire rotation. (presume lube) Price - 148 dollars. This is a joke and I will avoid the dealer at all costs in the future. Also, I long for my 2002 Audi A6 with free scheduled maint. to 50K.

    Of course after that, they wanted close to 60 dollars for an oil change. That too, is pretty bad. The local Midas shop in Binghamton, NY gets my oil change business on my Corvette and Nissan truck. They treat me fairly and only my vette with Mobil One approaches 60 bucks for oil and lube.

    I say keep good records of your service to preserve the Lexus warranty but, never use the lexus dealer! Any thoughts on this approach?
  • jimbresjimbres Posts: 2,025
    I say keep good records of your service to preserve the Lexus warranty but, never use the lexus dealer!

    We took this approach with my wife's 1st Lexus, a '99 ES 300, & we're doing it again with her '07 ES 350. It's both cheaper & more convenient. We have an excellent independent mechanic less than a mile from our house, so I can drop off her car & walk home. The dealer is 15 miles away.
  • MikeMike Posts: 13
    Thanks for the reply. One of the reasons we went with Lexus was that we think the car will have few problems. Hope that is the case. But, if there was a warranty issue, we would hate to hear that the scheduled maint. was not executed properly.
    Thanks for your input.
    Mike :)
  • danldanl Posts: 6
    I've ask the service rep several times, the noise comes from the timing chain. Previous lexus had a belt, it was always quiet but required replacement at 90k. The chain never needs replacement. Our 07 es350 has 27k on it, tonight it clattered when started with air temp of 66 degrees. It is very irritating.Service rep says the clatter is typical for cold engine. I don't like it one bit, how many others are complaining about this to lexus?
  • djdjdjdj Posts: 111
    Between this group and others, I have heard several different excuses for the noise. None of them are indicative of a problem with the engine, just the clatter until the car warms up to operating temperature.
    For myself, I can deal with a few minutes of noise if it means not having to worry about replacing a timing belt. It isn't just the cost, it is the potential the belt may give out before the 90K mark.
    Ultimately, it hurts Lexus more than me if any of my passengers think the car is too noisy.
  • Lexus of Tulsa first said it was the high pressure fuel injectors...then the area specialist said it was "piston slap" and that it was an acceptable noise..and that there was no remedy.

    if it was a timing chain it seems as though it could be fixed with the tensioner

    who any rate it is a disappointment...noisy L car
  • how many folks have engine clatter on the es?

    you hear it each day when you start it for the first time, lasts for about 5 or 10 minutes

    let me know....noisy L car
  • My 2007 ES350 has had THE NOISE, since day one. After 34,000 miles the noise is worse. When I recently started the car at the airport on a very cold day, a passerby knocked on my car window because he was afraid the car was low on oil. When the engine is warm, the noise in the passenger cabin brings back fond memories of my mother's Singer sewing machine. The engine is never as quiet as mu wife's Honda Odessey minivan. I have been told by the arrogant dealer and the Lexus rep that this is a "normal noise." I complain at each oil change in case the engine fails before I sell the car. I also show them that the loaner cars do not have THE NOISE. I have owned a Cadillac STS, BMW 530i and Acura RL. I will never again own a Lexus. Incidentally, neither will any of the people that ride in my ES on a cold day. Hearing it for the first time, they are more astonished than I am at this point. There is clearly a design or manufacturing flaw in these engines.
  • sanishsanish Posts: 66
    I agree, loaner cars don't have that noise but my 2 year/15,000 mile car does have noisy engine start especially in winter.
  • sanishsanish Posts: 66
    Just get the oil/filter change and multi point inspection done at the dealer for less than $60 and have the tires rotated at a tire shop for $5 or for free at Discount Tires.
  • Does anyone have any idea what month the 2010 ES350's will come out?
  • Just bought a 2009 ES350 (woohoo!), but I cannot find a roof rack that is designed for it. I checked Thule and Yakima but no luck. I'm an avid kayaker. Any suggestions??

  • I just bought a 2009 ES350. I didn't get the NAV system, which means I didn't get the upgraded sound system. The car is only a couple of weeks old and I love it, but I am really disappointed with the sound system. I doubt there is anything the dealership can do now - but I really would like to make it better.
    Any suggestions??

  • djdjdjdj Posts: 111
    NAV and ML stereo are separate options; not necessarily bundled together. I have NAV but regular stereo.

    I agree the standard stereo is lackluster; my 2003 Audi A4's standard radio far exceeds this. However, I find when I up the volume (I do tend to like the volume a little high), that the stereo's sound fills in and it isn't so bad. Personally, I also find the quiet of the car helps too.

    There isn't anything you can do about it since the ML stereo has more speakers.
  • Since I posted this I went to an after-market audio store. Guy recommended adding a sub-woofer with amp. The cost would be about $500, but he said the improvement would be significant. I think I'll give that a try..
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