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Hyundai Sonata vs. Honda Accord vs. Toyota Camry vs. Ford Fusion



  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,906
    Try searching on the following in your favorite search engine (the one that starts with "g" works pretty well):

    "Camry sludge"
    "Accord transmission problems"
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 13,453
    When banks will not finance a Hyundai 2000 or older because it is a BAD risk for the bank then there is you proof.

    And your proof of this is?

    BTW I just called my personal banker and they said they would finance a 2000 Hyundai as long as the value per NADA is equal to or greater to the loan and your not in bankruptcy.

    And goes back to my earlier point, initial quality is not my interest it's what happens later and Hyundai has NOT proven they can last on a consistent basis.

    My 2000 Elantra made it just past 130k before needing anything other than routine maintenice, and then just to replace a sensor. My wife has 90K on her Accent with no problems whatsoever. My daughter has 95K on her Elantra with no problems. I know a few other people with high mileage Hyundais that have had no issues.

    On the other hand my sisters Toyota goes to the dealer for warranty work like clockwork. The Son-in-laws Honda has been in twice for warranty work.

    Yep I may just stick with Hyundai, I have no complaints.

    FWIW I see you haven't given us any history ;)

    2008 Sebring Ragtop, 2011 Hyundai Sonata.

  • and Hyundai has NOT proven they can last on a consistent basis

    Let me rephrase -
    Hyundai has proven they can NOT last on a consistent basis
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Please lets not go down this road, now, backy. The Toyota sludge issue has affected less than one half of one percent of the models produced with the 2.2L engine or the 3.0L. Additionally, the sludge prone engines have NOT been produced since the 2001 model year; the 2.2L was axed and the 3.0L modified. The 3.0L is no longer in production as of last month, as well.

    Maybe its time to let that go?
  • goodegggoodegg Posts: 905
    Another one in a thousand testimonial. Now if you could just convince the rest of the world that Hyundai is the best and most reliable automobile in the world, based on your obviously skewed opinion, you could leave that fabulous desk job you're at (probably work for Hyundai)and be the man at Hyundai marketing.

    Just get everybody to forget about the Excel - that one didn't count - right?
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,906
    Sure. Maybe it's time to also let go all the stuff about Hyundais from the '90s, which is before their well-known quality initiative began. And while we are at it, maybe we could stop with making inaccurate generalities, without any basis in fact. That would be nice for a change, don't you think?
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 13,453
    Another one in a thousand testimonial.

    How many "one in a thousand" testimonials do you want? Say I have a dozen or more "one in a thousand" testimonials to each bad testimonials there are people who will still say its just another "one in a thousand" testimonial. I have talked to many Hyundai owners and I can tell you that far more have good experiences than bad.

    based on your obviously skewed opinion

    I wouldn't make that statement if I were you.

    probably work for Hyundai

    Better brush up on your physic ability.

    Just get everybody to forget about the Excel

    But the Excel hasn't been produced in a long time and the Accent, Elantra et al are not Excels. So am I to say that all Toyotas and Hondas are junk simply because of the cars they sold here in the 60's?

    No one has gave credible facts that states that Hyundais are junk.

    2008 Sebring Ragtop, 2011 Hyundai Sonata.

  • driverdmdriverdm Posts: 505
    Then can we also get rid of the grudges against Ford for vehicles before 2003. People bash the Fusion because its a Ford and this and that about its reliability when it has only been out four months. I remember one guy posted he bought one and was happy about it and then someone posted back about how he didn't understand why he'd buy one over a Sonata. Then someone else joined in about how he own Fords with problems and went through decades of issues, NOT ONE in post the millenium. I haven't seen the guy that bought the Fusion on here since, and I can not blame him. When I buy a new car, I don't want someone raining on my parade and telling me my purchase basically didn't make sense.
  • driverdmdriverdm Posts: 505
    Additional needed info: The guy that had posted about the decades of bad reliability had whiched to another brand and hadn't owned a Ford since before the millenium.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,906
    The best place for someone to talk with other people interested in a particular car, owners and wanna-be owners, without getting lots of contrary opinions, is in the discussions focused on that car model--not in a comparison discussion like this one.
  • lweisslweiss Posts: 342
    To me a big factor in any vehicle purchase is the quality and proximity of the dealer that you are buying it from. And where I live, that gives Ford, Honda, and Toyota a big advantage. We have had a series of Fords (vans, a couple of Tauruses) and the dealer warranty and after warranty service of one dealer (only 6 miles away) has been exemplary- a free car wash, a free/very low cost loaner when you do need service, and other good stuff. And the nearest Hyundai dealer to me is about 15 miles away and I've heard horror stories about them. And please don't tell me that if I buy a Hyundai (or any other make) that I won't ever have to take it to a dealer for service.

    A good dealer (and the more the better), can make all the difference. And if you do need service in the boonies somewhere, I would rather have a Ford than any of the Asian or European makes.
  • driverdmdriverdm Posts: 505
    backy I respectfully disagree. This is the best place to get people insight on a particular segment of cars. However, once someone has bought it, we need to respect that, congradulate them and leave it at that. They need not take direct comments on their buying purchase and sly remarks. Its called common courtesy. This forum helps a lot of people because of the free flowing of personal opinions on cars but if you criticize those who have already made their purchase and want to tell the board that helped them do so about their purchse and how it is going, than that defeats the purchase. This forum leans in favor of Hyundai quite a bit, but it does it at times by not comparing the virture of Hyundai but by classifying all else as almost "dumb" choices. That again hurts the free flowing of ideas. If the forum shifted to be Toyota favored, when you buy your new Sonata and we blast you like "The Toyota is superior, why did you waste your money" and "Here is my list from post 1995 of all the Hyundai issues I have had, I can't understand why you would buy that. Good luck, you'll need it" Could I blame you if you didn't come back? No. Would it hurt the forum? Yes.
  • I dont believe its that far back. Have you ever read about my 2001 Hyundai Elantra? One of the worst car I've ever owned.
  • What no one seems to consider is all new car companies have growing pains. The latest to market benefit & learn from the mistakes & successes of the priors. It took Toyota & Honda a long while to figure out how to make a car Americans would buy. Taking a cue from their hits/misses, the Hyundai has done it in half the time. And guess what, the Chinese, w/ the Greely or some other brand, will do it quicker than them. If you don't understand the post, I'll explain. Toyota & Honda have built a rep for quality cars during the last 20 yrs. What they produced in the 60's, 70's, & early 80's was basically junk. Hyundai produced junk in the late 80's & 90's, but their offerings after 2000 have been decent cars. 20-25 yrs out, Hyundai will be where Toyota & Honda are now (class leaders). And Toyota & Honda will be where the Big 3 are (trying to recapture the glory, making great cars, but fighting a perception).
  • After testing driving an Altima, a Camry, an Accord, and a Sonata (all 2006 versions), these are my impressions.

    Fit/Finish - Interior: 1 - Accord, 2- Altima & Sonata, 3 - Camry
    Fit/Finish - Exterior: 1 - Accord, Altima, Camry, Sonata
    Acceleration (Horsepower/Torque): 1 - Altima, 2 - Sonata, 3 - Accord, 4 - Camry (Not HP/Torque ratings but the speed & power from the combination)
    Ride: 1 - Camry, 2 - Accord, Sonata, 3 - Altima
    Handling: 1 - Accord, 2 - Altima, Sonata, 3 - Camry
    Braking: 1 - Altima, 2 - Sonata, 3 - Accord, 4 - Camry
    Sound System: 1 - Altima, 2 - Sonata, 3 - Accord, Camry
    Sports Feel: 1 - Altima, 2 - Accord, Sonata, 3 - Camry

    Is the Sonata the clear winner in any category? No, but it's near the top in every category I or anyone else will come up with. Is it the best car? No. If money wasn't much of a concern, I would have bought the Altima SE-R (sportiest car of the group). If I was purchasing based upon the absolute best engine: Accord. If I were purchasing based on best resale: Camry. But I purchased on the basis of "most bang for the buck." Which equals Sonata LX.

    Most everyone here has virtually built the Sonata. Fully loaded it the current MSRP is $23,945. After approx. $1,000 for dealer installed options (wheel locks, rear lip spoiler, etc.), $1,000 for extended warranty, gap insurance, state taxes (just over $800 in VA), dmv fees, dealership processing fees, etc., my out the door price was $23K. It has everything except the Navigation/DVD System (maybe in a few months).

    If you build the Accord, Altima, & Camry with the options the Sonata has you get MSRP's between $31 - $35K. The MSRP's are a little skewed in Hyundai's favor, but it's Honda, Toyota, and Nissan's fault. For example, the Sonata has heated seats. If you get the heated seat option on an Accord, you must also opt to get the Navigation System. So to be fair add $2K (installed price of Navigation System) to my OTD price & the Sonata MSRP. So, I'm OTD for $25K. $6K clear of nearest MSRP & taxes, tag, etc. haven't been added yet.

    I'll end stating I don't like Camry's, I really like the Altima SE-R, and I love Accords (Honda's in general really). But if I'm spending mid $30K, I don't know about anyone else, but I'm getting an Acura TL or someother entry luxury car. If I'm spending mid $20K, Sonata is the pick.

    FYI-Yes, you can get Nav or Satellite Radio for your Sonata. Sirius deck is from JVC, XM deck is from Kenwood, or vice-versa. The Nav system is from Esclipse (very nice, much larger screen than in Altima, Accord, or Camry). And one thing I don't like about Sonata (besides selt belt chime) is in the US you can't get dark grey interior. Visit the Korean version of the Hyundai site (I don't read Korean either). But the site is loaded w/ pic's, including dark grey interior (matches upper portion of dash) and close ups of the Nav system.
  • Pure opinion based on nothing. Lets try, whose gonna blink first, Toyota, Honda or Hyundai? Look at the offerings from Honda and Toyota and you cant help but admire the two car companies. I cant say the same for Toyota dealerships.
  • Again, all these impression ratings goes to the trash can since you stated it yourself that you dont like Camry's.
  • Not an opinion based on nothing. I'm basing on the many car reviews I've read, the many cars I've personally sold from 86-93, and discussions I've had over the years w/ those still in the industry. I don't remember the exact numbers (I'll let you or someone else look them up), but the first Accord to "really sell" in the US was I believe an 87 (the one w/ the pop up headlights, maybe an 88). For Toyota it was the 85 or 86 Camry. For Hyundai, it was the 00-01 Sante Fe, the 00-01 Tiburan (whichever year the current version came out) & now the 2006 Sonata.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,906
    I agree we should not "beat up" on people who bought a particular car--that is just common courtesy, as you said. But if we all agreed with every statement made here, it would be a very boring discussion.

    I also agree that our discussion should be based on facts and on respectful sharing of opinions--not on calling others' opinions and choices "dumb".
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,906
    Yes, I think I recall your talking about your '01 Elantra. That is too bad that you had such a poor experience with it. I wish you had had as good an experience as I've had with mine--it's been one of the best cars I've ever owned. But with your negative experience, I can understand why you would tend to shy away from Hyundais. That kind of experience can have that effect on a car buyer.
  • I'll restate. Not that I wouldn't buy a Camry, I owned a 91. But I prefer a more "sporty" ride (that's just me). And IMO, the Camry doesn't have the suspension & handling of the Accord, the Altima, or the Sonata. Even Toyota knows this, read any review on the 2007 & the raves are for the increased sportiness of the ride & steering. I think the 07 is a sweet looking ride, but my impressions were based on all 06's. And I stand by my impressions.

    To show I'm not really completely biased one way or another: I've sold Hondas, Toyotas, Acuras, and Lexus. (Don't sell cars anymore). The wife & I have owned (in order of purchase/lease) 89 Hyundai Excel GLS (my very first car), 91 Honda Prelude SH, 92 Acura Vigor GS, 94 Honda Civic EX, 96 Acura Integra GS, 00 Honda Accord EX, 01 Nissan Sentra SE, , 03 Nissan Pathfinder LS, and now a 06 Hyundai Sonata LX. This does not include the many cars I was privy to drive as a salesman, such as the NSX. My absolute favorite is the Vigor, 175 hp straight 5 w/ 5-speed manual transmission. I've driven just about everything & I can honestly say w/ no reservations, the 06 Sonata is a dang nice ride.

    Cars I really hate, just about everything from Germany. I can't stand all the brake dust ruining my wheels.
  • ctalkctalk Posts: 646
    Again, all these impression ratings goes to the trash can since you stated it yourself that you dont like Camry's.

    Those are his opinions on the car. If he doesn't like it, that's fine. There is no right or wrong, that's why it's called an opinion.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Correct on the bland Camry up until now.. The new reviews indicate that for the majority of drivers the '07 Camry should be far sportier than any previous version. Along with the over-the-top 268 hp engine the V6 SE should be something else to drive if that's your hot button.
  • goodegggoodegg Posts: 905
    Saying Hondas and Toyotas from the 70s and 80s were junk just invalidates everything else you have to say.

    And you hate German cars?! Don't like an E90 or an M3 or M5 eh? I don't like em either. I LOVE em. Just can't afford one.

    All the cars compared here are good. It comes down to price in my eyes. I happen to feel the extra dough for the Accord is worth it, even tho the car needs a restyle bad.
  • goodegggoodegg Posts: 905
    Better brush up on your physic ability

    Brush up on my what? I didn't take physics in high school or college. Went the accounting, finance, CPA route with a minor in barroom olympics.

    And my Acura/Honda bias has been exposed, as has yours for Hyundai.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 13,453
    And my Acura/Honda bias has been exposed, as has yours for Hyundai.

    At least my opinion is based on some facts, what is yours based on?

    That being said I really don't think I am biased towards anything, I try to keep an open mind on these things. If someone went around saying car 'X' is crap, when everything I see contradicts that I will call them on it. I don't think its a case of being biased but being fair.

    2008 Sebring Ragtop, 2011 Hyundai Sonata.

  • ustazzafustazzaf Posts: 311
    First of all, I have been a mechanic since about 88 when the Hyundais came to America. I have to say that they have came a long way in under 20 years. However, seeing the maintenance required, I would still not own one. It is good if you are a mechanic, but not if you are an owner.
    And if you do need service in the boonies somewhere, I would rather have a Ford than any of the Asian or European makes.

    You are right with that. I grew up in the "boonies" and if you didn't have a big 3 vehicle, you waited for parts. And waited. And waited. Fortunately, if you are driving a Asian car these days, the chances of needing repairs are so much less than the big 3 that it doesn't matter anymore. But, even more than before, the big 3 break down so much that parts are readily available in Hickville.
  • I dont care what he likes or not what I'm concern is why did he bother to rate the Camry if he didnt like it in the first place? Whats the point?
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,906
    I am curious what the extra maintenance on Hyundais, specifically the '06 Sonata, is that turns you off from owning one. Is there really a lot more service required on a Sonata than, say, an Accord, Camry, or Fusion?

    If I didn't have several Hyundai dealers in my area, including one just a few miles from my home, I wouldn't think of buying a Sonata. But that goes for any car, not just Hyundai. Honda, Toyota, and Ford all have more dealers in my area than Hyundai, but there's enough Hyundai dealers close to me (5 within 25 miles) to provide competition on pricing and convenient service. I agree those are important considerations. Although not all important--otherwise I'd have to buy a Fusion, since there's a Ford dealer less than a mile from my home.
  • ctalkctalk Posts: 646
    To see if the current generation Camry can change his mind?

    I really don't see what's so pointless. I didn't like the Sonata (or Hyundai's in general) at the start, but I decided to take a test drive and found out I do like it. If you only test drive the vehicles or brands you like, it limits your choices.

    I'll restate. Not that I wouldn't buy a Camry, I owned a 91. But I prefer a more "sporty" ride (that's just me). And IMO, the Camry doesn't have the suspension & handling of the Accord, the Altima, or the Sonata. - He prefers better handling.

    Who knows, the next generation Camry may change his mind. But if he limits his choice, he may never know.
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