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Honda Civic vs Toyota Corolla vs Mazda3



  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,907
    It wasn't the Most Wanted Awards, but something different: the Inside Line Editor's Most Wanted Awards, i.e. the six cars they like best.
  • colloquorcolloquor Posts: 482
    Backy is correct, as the IIHS does accept a fee for "fast tracking" tests, e.g. the 2008 Accord. You can extrapolate data on somewhat analogous models by going to the Euro NCAP website. Although the majority of European models differ from North American models, it's an interesting comparison, as some cars are the same.

    Although not one of the vehicles discussed here, it's also interesting - and, perhaps illuminating - that IIHS's test data on the new Scion xB doesn't include side impact results, only front. Maybe Toyota knows something that they prefer we don't know on the new xB.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,907
    Maybe, or maybe the IIHS is planning to test the xB soon anyway, so Toyota decided to wait for that. I just wish the IIHS would be quicker on their tests, particularly the side tests. There's some cars that were redesigned 1-2 years ago and the IIHS has not published side impact test results yet. And some of these are big sellers, e.g. Altima, Elantra, Sentra. :mad:
  • gene2gene2 Posts: 10
    Colloquor: I just spent a few minutes visiting the "euroncap" website. Thank you very much for the tip. I noticed that euronacp did a side impact test on a Mazda3 that WAS equipped with the side airbags. Did I read their test results correctly? It looked to me like the '06 Mazda 3 did pretty well.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    I could swear I saw the 2008 Editors Most Wanted awards on Edmunds recently,

    It is, as well as the Mazda6, CX-7, CX-9, and MX-5. They are all the Editors Most Wanted in their respective class.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,907
    Actually has not published its Most Wanted awards for 2008 yet. Inside Line did recently publish its "top six" Most Wanted list or whatever they called it, but this is not the same as the Editors Most Wanted awards. For 2007, those awards included the Mazda6 (sedan under $25k), CX-9, MX-5, and Mazda3s (wagon under $20k). Those awards did not include the CX-7.

    Here's the link to the 2007 Most Wanted Awards. For some reason, it's no longer on the main page:
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    Mazda just had a sales event named "Mazdas Most Wanted Sales Event", where the base was that the editors at named 5 Mazdas as their "Most Wanted". This included the Mazda3, Mazda3, CX-7, CX-9, and MX-5.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,907
    I guess the Mazda marketeers were a overly optimistic, eh? You can see for yourself using the link I posted earlier that did NOT name the CX-7 one of their "Most Wanted" vehicles for 2007, and I don't see any announcement of the Most Wanted for 2008 yet. And the CX-7 isn't included in the 2008 Inside Line Editors Most Wanted "top six" either. The CX-7 was "Honorable Mention" on the 2007 "Most Wanted" awards, so I guess if Mazda wants to be accurate they could have called their sales event "Mazdas Most Wanted and (Al)Most Wanted Sales Event." ;)
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    I wish the web site still posted the event, so I could post the link, but it was over as of 1.2.08.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,907
    I believe you re Mazda including the CX-7 in their marketing event. The Mazda marketeers must have thought that "honorable mention" was close enough for horseshoes, or selling cars. :)
  • zzoomp09zzoomp09 Posts: 31

    There goes the so called reliability of Toyota Corollas. IMO, all these 3 cars are reliable, but they still have their own issues here and there. In my experience with these 3 cars, I never had really big problems, but I enjoyed the 3 out of all of them.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    I think the 3 has the fun (zoom zoom) thing clocked best, of the three.
  • sandman46sandman46 Posts: 1,798
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    Recalls are not a judge on reliability, but rather quality control and safety hazards. Toyota has had more then their fair share of recalls in recent years. It sure does look bad.
  • jjandersjjanders Posts: 18
    Just bumping this thread as I am currently debating between:

    2009 Corolla LE
    2009 Mazda 3 i Touring Value
    2008 Honda Civic LX

    Corolla has VSC, good mileage, quiet, smooth ride, a little boring but that's fine for me as I'm looking for a comfortable commuter. Also has 0% (at least I hope it's extended through May)

    Honda has good mileage, best exterior (IMO), but not sure how I feel about two tiered dash though.

    Mazda is the sportiest of the bunch but terrible mileage for automatic, 4 year old model (though it does still look pretty good), higher insurance.

    It seems both Honda and Toyota have slipped a bit in quality lately, lots of build quality issues with 8th gen Civic. Corolla is new and I'm usually wary about buying first model year cars, though no big problems have popped up yet.

    Tough choice, I am thinking of going with the Corolla if they have 0% in May.
  • sparklandsparkland Posts: 119
    My wife and I have shopped the Civics and Corollla's until we are exhausted. The 0% financing on the Corolla really peaked our interest. We initially like the Corolla LE but then saw an XLE and we loved that model. Really liked the traction control on the Corolla but know that the Civic will be getting this in this year's update. The only thing about the Corolla we did not particularly like was the steer by wire feature. When the steering wheel comes back to dead center it takes a little effort on the driver's part to bring it back to center. Also on the highway the car tends to drift a little because of the steering-that is okay once the driver becomes familiar with the tendencies of the drive by wire setup.

    The Civic is nice but we also had reservations about the digital speedometer so high up on the dash. We did not particularly like the upholstery on the LX model but did the EX model.

    Hard decision.

    Hope you enjoy whatever you pick.

    FYI, we are still on the fence and were hoping for some manufacturer help on the Civic with respect to finances. I know I am dreaming.

  • jjandersjjanders Posts: 18
    Well, the local Honda dealership called me today since I had told them I was waiting for special financing....Honda is having 2.9% for the month of May.

    Toyota has also extended it's 0%/1.9%/2.9% through 6/2 as well.

    Definitely pulling the trigger this month to take advantage of low financing, now I just need to decide between the two cars!
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 10,296
    I'd rank them as follows:

    1. Mazda
    2. Honda
    3. Toyota

    All three are good cars, but I place a premium on performance and driving enjoyment. I also detest slushboxes. Between the Honda and Toyota I'd go with the Honda, only because I find almost all current Toyotas to be bland transportation appliances. That said, you are the one who's going to be driving it, so pick the one that makes YOU smile...

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport / 2014 M235i / 1999 Wrangler / 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2016 i3 REX/2009 Cooper Clubman Son's: 2009 328i

  • bits4brainsbits4brains Posts: 11
    "The only thing about the Corolla we did not particularly like was the steer by wire feature."

    The throttle is drive by wire. The steering is electrically rather than hydraulically assisted. The steering wheel, unlike the accelerator and the throttle, is still directly connected to the front wheels.

    Your observations about the behavior of the steering are accurate. It takes some getting used to. After 2000 miles, I've noticed that it's only a problem when I notice it. In other words, if I focus down the road and drive I don't notice it. If I think about it, the sensitivity of the steering becomes noticeable again.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    From a fun to drive factor - I agree with you. :P
  • saulstersaulster Los Angeles AreaPosts: 48
    I have recently driven the Mazda 3 and Honda Civic Si.

    Both drove solidly and nicely ( 5M or 6M ). I didn't go into the "i-VTEC" rev band on the Honda in fairness to the new, green engine on the test vehicle. Still, powerful enough even lower revs and a sweet shifter and clutch.

    The M3 seems to have Honda beat on interior content, especially Grand Touring with the nice leather and other details, like rain sensing wipers, xenon headlights ( OK, that's exterior ), etc. I prefer the more standard dash to Honda's split dash, which seems like an answer to a question no one asked. And I positively dislike Honda's location of the parking brake on the driver's side of the center console, right where my leg rests whether using the gas or on cruise control.

    In short, I like the Honda enough, it's a tremendous value, but disqualified for me by the )(*&(*)&^ parking brake which there is no way around on any Civic. Somehow, Honda got the ergos wrong on this generation Civic and that's a huge surprise. Split dash, parking brake right where leg rests, what were they thinking?

    The Toyota is still waiting but I am driving it last for a reason. Not the sportiest of the econocar bunch and for similar car and money, I like to get a little sporty if I can. Well, I will test drive it anyway and see.

  • steven39steven39 Posts: 636
    hi folks,i recently test drove both the 08 civic lx coupe with auto and a 09 corolla with auto...the corolla i test drove was not what i was hopeing for...on the highway it got blown all over the place by trucks passing me and by the wind...i constantly had to fight the steering wheel to keep the car tracking straight ahead whenever a gust of wind was blowing.....i found this annoying since a good portion of my driveing will be done on the highway.....this corolla test drive was over for me permently....i then drove about 2 miles to the honda dealer to check out the civic...what a difference,first off on the highway the civic was well planted to the pavement and did not get blown around like the corolla did....the corolla just felt so inferior to the civic as far as quality of the interior,controls,and handling goes...
    the civic to me just seems like a much better built car than the corolla...on top of everything else that i didn't like about the corolla was the additional adjusted market value of 1995.00 which is added to the msrp which for a basic corolla with no options came close to 20,000.00.........this was absurd....needless to say,i purchased a 08 civic lx 2dr coupe with auto for 17,000.00 plus TTT.....
  • tony78tony78 Posts: 16
    Being a college graduate and all i'm pretty sure you know that it rains and snows up there in seattle, you been to seattle right ? im sure you noticed a large percentage of the cars were either all wheel drive or four wheel drive, do they sell a corrola,civic or a mazda 3 equipped like that ? , a lot of subaru's in seattle , then again i suppose you could hang iron(trucker talk) would'nt want to see you miss work. live long and prosper.
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    Corolla and Mazda3 are currently available with traction and stability control (Corolla on both engines, Mazda3 only with the 2.3 I think). The Civic will have it for 2009. Next best thing to AWD, without the weight/MPG penalty.

    The Impreza, on the other hand, can also have AWD, and is a pretty nice car, though that 2.5l engine and extra weight will mean fewer MPGs.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,907
    And the hatch version of the Corolla, the Matrix, is available with AWD.
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    True but I hate that thing, even after the redesign. Besides which, only the larger engine gets AWD, and at that point it's not only more expensive than an Impreza hatch, but gets worse mileage. And the dash just looks ugly. :)
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,907
    Have you driven the SX4? Starts at around $15k. Word is that it will get standard factory nav for 2009--the lowest-priced car with that feature.
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    Haven't driven it yet...looks like a pretty sharp hatch, but it's SLOOOOOW. And Suzukis get comparatively rotten gas mileage in general...I mean come on, a 2 liter engine that only gets 30 MPG? They should source the engine and tranny somewhere else if that's the best they can do.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,907
    But it is AWD. And I'll bet it can easily cruise at legal freeway speeds, or above. Or did you mean, it's not quick enough for you?
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