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Sedans: My Best Choice for Fuel Economy?



  • tundradudetundradude Posts: 588
    My dad has a 05 S with an auto, and it gets a consistent 39.

    My old 85 with a manual and 70hp got 42.

    So to almost have double the hp and get similar mileage is cool.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    your dad is doing well, what with the Corolla rated 30/38.

    They say the new Camry hybrid will have a 41.5 mpg combined rating. Of course, being a hybrid, I don't suppose anyone will get that figure. But if it could pull a solid 35 mpg week in and week out, that would be close to 20% better than the 4-cyl gas, and only 10% less than some of these smaller cars like Echo and Corolla. In such a big car, that would be impressive. Too big a car for me though! ;-)

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • tundradudetundradude Posts: 588
    I test drove one yesterday while my xB was getting an oil change. Its alot more sportier and it really rides good, but compared to my xB its Huge. However, you should see my xB and my Tundra beside each other in the garage. Someday, I wouldn't mine having one to replace the 95 someday in the future. I am going to see how far I can drive the 95 Corolla.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    a comparo in MT of the Accord and Camry Hybrids, and in theirs they managed 34 mpg in the Camry, which leads me to believe the average driver could easily get 37, 38 mpg (considering how auto mag guys go everywhere with the pedal floored). Which is great, especially considering it has the same power and acceleration as the current (now former) 3.0 V-6. Theirs was $26K, about $4K less than the Accord Hybrid too.

    It's quite impressive. Someone somewhere here posted that there are future plans for a Corolla hybrid, which I had not heard. If that turns out to be true, I figure it would have Prius mileage (47 or so) at a price of $18-20K. That would be a deal.

    I also noticed that both the Honda hybrids and both the Toyotas now have a 10 year/150K-mile warranty on the battery pack. In five years, I think hybrids will hit the mainstream, as I can't see any of the other up-and-coming technologies being ready for the big-time in that short a timespan.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • clarkkentclarkkent Posts: 154
    then it is a no-brainer : Get a Prius!

    Are Prius available for $8,000 or less?

    NO, the $8000 is for the add on price and the battery pack you will need in 7 years.

    The Prius is for those who what to "feel" like they are saving the earth! Good luck, because you won't be saving any money with any hybrid car.

    I see just above this post someone saying there is now a 10 year warranty on the battery pack. I bet at 7 years it will still cost you 70% of original cost!
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    the battery pack is covered 100% through the 150K mark. This is not a prorated warranty. For those who keep their cars longer than 150K miles, battery pack replacement costs will be a consideration.

    Hybrids are good for those who need more space or features than those available in the small gas-sipper cars at the bottom of the market. If all you care about is getting 40 mpg or more, buy a B-segment car and call it a day.

    Prius is a pretty nice car at $22K.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • The Echo is an amazing little car with fantastic gas mileage. However, since they are no longer making them they are more difficult to come by. As far as a manual transmission most people do not even know how to shift because sales people sell more automatics than manuals shift cars. They always tell you that on a trade in you can get more on an automatic. I just traded in my manual shift Echo for an automatic Corolla and it isn't the same. Much more fun to shift!
  • I just traded in an '03 Echo (5 speed) which I loved for an '06 Corolla (automatic) and I can tell you the mileage isn't there for the Corolla at all. (Had to trade in because of knee problems - couldn't shift any more) With the Echo I got about 35 mpg in the City. With the Corolla I am getting 21 mpg. BIG Difference and I am very disappointed. For that I could have gotten a bigger car! I am very disappointed in the Corolla.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,694
    I think something is wrong with your Corolla and I would have the dealer look at it if you havnt already.
  • stdbobstdbob Posts: 14
    I have an 02 Echo (bought it new) 5 speed manual. It just turned 105,000 miles. Doesn't burn a drop of oil between 3K changes and as of this week is still getting 40mpg. AC/PS/PB 2 door.
    I replaced the brakes at 95K(very easy), tires at 60K, and today I had to have a front axle bearing replaced. That's all I've needed. Typically run it about 75mph and commute 120 miles a day. Can't beat the mileage. If I ever wear this one out, I'll be looking for another one. :)
    I hope the new Yaris is going to be as good.
  • I've been in the hunt for an economy car for several years and am disappointed with what is available. The cars MPG are not real world numbers. All cars today have various defects and the dealers all tell you that its (whatever the problem is NORMAL. They refuse to acknowledge the problems much less fix them. It's very disheartening to try to shop for a reliable economy car when there just arn't" any being built anymore. :mad: :cry: :confuse: :sick: BTW I too have hip problems that makes a manual shift out of the question. today gas is 3.66 a gal. tomorrow it goes up more why don't we have more flex fuel cars being built and why aren't there stations everywhere that provides this fuel. It's been available for farmers and their equipment for 6 years now so what is the holdup??? I'm sure it's just GREED!!!! WE have plenty of corn grown here you know!!! Sorry to hear of your disappointing MPG you are not alone. Many on the Civic boards are reporting similar problems and as I said the EPA numbers are NOT ACCURATE. That goes for all of today's cars!!! :confuse:
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    I have to agree that the EPA's slide rulers appear to be broken.

    I have a 2004 TL 6 speed rated at 20/30 that actually gets 28-30 on the highway, but only 15-16 in relatively mild in-town driving. My former Honda S2000, by comparison, was rated at 20/26. It actually got 31-33 on the highway, and 21-22 in the same mild in town driving as the TL goes through.

    So two cars with the same 20 mpg EPA city rating are 40% apart (15 to 21) in actual mileage. On the highway, the S2000, rated 4 mpg (15%) less than the TL, actually beats it by at least 2 mpg. I could do more accurate estimates throwing darts.

    P.S. My old 1995 Nissan Maxima 5-speed was EPA rated at 22/27 and has averaged, over 155k miles, 24.1 mpg. The 2004 TL, with 21,500 miles and a higher combined EPA rating, has averaged 19.2. That is an enormous difference.

    P.P.S. It doesn't exactly qualify as an economy car, but a friend of mine bought a low mileage pre-owned 2005 E320 CDI in January 2005. He paid $42k. Drove it for 25,000 mostly highway miles since, averaged 37 mpg and just sold it for $39,000. That's pretty economical, if you can afford the initial outlay.
  • kato1kato1 Posts: 64
    and as I said the EPA numbers are NOT ACCURATE. That goes for all of today's cars!!!

    this has not been my experience. i had an 05 corolla (5 spd) for 1 year and highway only driving consistently yielded 42+mpg. 50/50 mix of city/highway was consistently between 32-35 mpg. i stupidly traded that car for an 05 matrix, thinking how great all the cargo carrying capacity would be. however, i almost never used the space, the mileage averaged 4-5 less mpg than the corolla and it was much noisier on acceleration and highway cruising. so, i sold it at a good price and purchased an 06 corolla. my first tank yielded 42.5 mpg at 70% highway 30% city. my second tank was 38.1 with closer to 60% highway 40% city. from talking with other corolla owners, many of them who are committed to getting good mileage have also come very close to or exceeded the epa ratings.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    My girlfriend drives FAST in her 2004 Corolla LE Auto and averages around 32 MPG in mixed driving, I drove it 250 miles at 80MPH or so and got a little over 37 MPG. You shouldn't be getting less than 28 MPG in town, or 34 HWY.
  • autoboy16autoboy16 Posts: 992
    I'm about to resume the rest of my trip going back to miami, fl. So far we(my mom and I) gassed up 2wice. Sounds like a lot consider this. We left from south miami with a full tank of gas and drove to jacksonville fl. Looks something like this:


    We have a 2006 toyota corolla le and did that in 1.5 tanks of gas. We had the corolla corollin' (we were going) at speeds of 60 to 95mph effortlessly with the ac blowin' cold air on level 3, radio blastin on volume 40, amd outside temperatures ranging from 67º to 103º. Not to mention the car was loaded with luggage. The most we spent on gas was $28 to fill from E.

    From jacksonville (we stayed the night and drove around looking for dinner) we just left with out gassing up to atlanta, ga (gwinett county). We drove 5 people (4adults and me. I'm 5'11 and sat comfortablly in the rear center seat) around sight-seeing and then gassed up for a trip back home using $28 (the 2nd refill. The first was just refilling from half a tank to full. ot took $13.28) then we went back to jacksonville and stayed for 2 days without refueling and runnung errands. We're now at half a tank and need to drive home 6rs.

    Days of trip: May 27- june 1st, 2006
    times refueled: 2 most costing $28
    fav features: 6disk cd changers, trunk space, drl, freezing ac, the 4 cupholders, the faux wood(fun to look at when all you see are trees)

    sugestd improvements: ADD LUMBAR SUPPORT!!

    This car is a hit for toyota!
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    This car is a hit for toyota!

    And hopefully they will sell a few to "autoboys" that learned math in school. MPG = Miles divided by Gallons. You seemed to have skipped that in your otherwise interesting post. Care to try that calculation and give us your actual MPG?
  • kato1kato1 Posts: 64
    dont know if he will, but id be glad to. my last tank used for commuting to work and in town driving(65-70% highway at 65-70 mph and 30-35% stop and go in town---484.6 miles, 11.874 gallons to fill = 40.81 mpg. ive gotten up to 44 mpg but that was almost all highway at 60-65 mph. i drive an 06 corolla ce 5-spd. i dont consider this a big deal. this is why i bought this car. even with a 50/50 highway/ town mix i have yet to get lower than 36 mpg.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    ive gotten up to 44 mpg but that was almost all highway at 60-65 mph. i drive an 06 corolla ce 5-spd. i dont consider this a big deal. this is why i bought this car. even with a 50/50 highway/ town mix i have yet to get lower than 36 mpg.

    You are really right. While those numbers are great, they reflect what the car was really designed for, and shouldn't be too much of a surprise. I drive an Accord, and have gotten 39.9 MPGs before (70 MPH, no A/C)...couldn't crack that 40MPG mark...I average 35-36 HWY and 29 MPG in a Corolla should definitely deliver numbers 5 MPG above that.

    Corollas are great cars, it's just a shame that at 6'4", I couldn't drive one comfortably.
  • bottgersbottgers Posts: 2,030
    ....gets 32 city, 40 highway, and that's running 75 with the AC on. If you're looking for a manual in either the Corolla or the Echo, be prepared to look for a while, and be willing to travel some distance to get it. For some reason Toyota builds most of these cars with automatics, so manuals are hard to find. It took me 2 months to find mine.
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