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Wouldn't Be Caught Dead Driving One



  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,600
    I'd agree with everything you said if only the Smart were less expensive. My point is for about the same price as the Smart, there are better choices.

    It'll be interesting to see how the Smart retains its value. If its depreciation is similar to the MINI's, then I'll reevaluate my opinion regarding the Smart, because it will mean that the market considers it a good value. If it suffers rapid depreciation, as I suspect, then the smart buyer would be well served to buy a two year old, low mileage Smart for, say, $8,000.
  • lemkolemko Philadelphia, PAPosts: 15,294
    ...if a Smart was priced like the average lawn tractor or a modestly-priced motorcycle, I'd definately consider one. As it is, there are better alternatives.
  • nwngnwng Posts: 664
    Has the production quotas been sold out for 2008? With gas prices getting higher everyday, I think more and more people are rethinking their vehicle purchase from the standpoint of "want" to "need".
  • bumpybumpy Posts: 4,435
    It'll be interesting to see how the Smart retains its value

    That will be interesting to see, as they may not even be done with the current order backlog by January 2010, never mind whoever else signs up in the next 18 months.
  • bumpybumpy Posts: 4,435
    Yep, 2008 was sold out a year ago, and 2009 is in all likelihood also spoken for by now. I signed up for the dealer waitlist and I was something like 79th in line two weeks after they opened.
  • lemkolemko Philadelphia, PAPosts: 15,294
    ...but it would be something to see a city street scene where all the vehicles are Smarts, Minis, Aveos, Fits, and Yarises. Heck, throw in a few Honda 600s for a retro touch.
  • mattandimattandi Posts: 588
    Certainly not those specific models probably, but just go to most any city in just about any part of the world outside North America, and you'll get a taste of that street scene. Some place it is even more different. I remember being surprised at all the bicycles in some places.

    FWIW - I like the Smart, but if I were dead, I hope no one catches me driving one.
  • steelydansteelydan Posts: 133
    Speaking of a retro touch, how about the Renault LeCar with that roll-back canvas sunroof ? That car was ungainly , but it looked funky fun as only the French can do. I'm sure the problem with that car had to with frequent visits to Le Garage......... :lemon:
  • stovebolterstovebolter Posts: 53
    While price and fuel economy of the Smart don't set it apart from cars like the Aveo, Accent, Yaris, etc., there is one other factor that does, particularly in a city - the car's footprint. The Smart can park almost anywhere - heck, you can put two in a one car garage. That's a huge deal in a city driving/parking environment.

    That said, anywhere outside of a tight parking situation you're absolutely right - the Smart is selling more on image than economics.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,600
    "...the problem with that car had to with frequent visits to Le Garage."

    Clever play on words! Unfortunately, it's true from what I've heard. Too bad, because the Renault 5 (LeCar in the U.S.) was fuel and space efficient, rode well for a small car, and in its quirky way, was cute
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    I guess this is a good time to plug the long term test blog:

    Long-Term Test: 2008 Smart Fortwo Passion Coupe

  • coopergtcoopergt Posts: 2
    Ok so like the Mini, image is big part of buying a Smart car. I get more smiles than in my Real Mini Cooper (original one). it is not only a good car, it adds so much to a chearful day, at least it sure chears up every driver, from Ducatti 996 on the freeway to macho ford f250 drivers.
  • kernickkernick Posts: 4,072
    My idea of a small car is a good-quality AC Cobra kit. Now that would put smiles on my face and everyone else.

    If I could have one TV/movie car, it would be the Muenster-mobile.

    Not be caught dead in - most cars are decent theses days; but anything that reminds me of the Dodge Omni & Plymouth Horizons, and K-cars.
  • Probably wouldn't be caught dead in any pickup truck with a lift kit. To me that just screams "Look at me! I have a really big truck because I'm compensating for a small (fill in the blank) :P. As the owner of a mid 90's Accord, I hate being stuck in traffic with one of those monstrosities near me, makes me feel unsafe, and the drivers of those trucks usually don't care to obey basic traffic laws :mad:. That's probably one vehicle I'd never be in.
  • ardaproesardaproes Posts: 12
    1. Pontiak Aztek (somebody was smoking something while drawing)
    2. New gen Ford Focus
    3. New gen Saturn Vue
    4. Previous gen Huyndai Accent (or all prev gens)
    5. Ford Taurus (Previous gen)
    6. Toyota Camry (all gens without the ground effects)
    7. Toyota Corolla (prev gen excluding S)
    8. Lincoln Navigator (new gen)
    9. Hummer H2,H3
    10. All lifted GM trucks
    11. Geo Metro
    12. New Toyota Matrix
    13. VW beetle
    i think i will stop here for now
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 13,458
    My point is for about the same price as the Smart, there are better choices.

    My point is that "better choices" are totally dependent on the person doing the buying. Most people drive to work either alone or with one other person in the car. If that is the case why get a car that will almost always be used as a commuter car that has more capacity? Especially if it will get poorer gas mileage?

    As for me I cannot think of a more perfect car for myself (main car will be the wifes) to go to and from work and run my little errands and go to places like the post.

    If you can think of a better car let me know.

    2008 Sebring Ragtop, 2011 Hyundai Sonata.

  • johnmarcojohnmarco Posts: 22
    Here's my list of cars that make me cringe on sight:

    BMW X3, X5, Z4, 7-series, 6-series, 1-series
    Cadillac XR
    Chevrolet Avalanche, SSR, HHR, Trailblazer
    Dodge Durango
    Ford Edge, Taurus/500, Expedition, F-150
    Honda Ridgeline, Element, Fit
    Hummer everything
    Jaguar X-series, S-series
    Lexus all SUVs, SC
    Lincoln's "F-150", Navigator
    Mercedes-Benz CLS, all SUVs, all roadsters/coupes
    Mini Cooper all versions
    Pontiac Aztek, GTO (new one)
    Toyota Avalon
    Buggatti Veyron (actually saw one recently --- WAY uglier in person.)
    Everything from Bentley, Rolls, and Maybach, all disgusting pieces of garbage
  • trikev19trikev19 Posts: 18
    I couldn't drive a yellow VW bug. In fact, I don't even think I could let my mom drive one.
  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 5,625
    I can kind of understand the appeal of the original H1, although I wouldn't drive one of those, either.

    I think the H2 and H3 are incredibly tacky, and they're slower, more expensive, have worse visibility, less storage, and lower fuel mileage than the Trailblazer and Tahoe platforms they are based on. If you want a great off-roader, buy a Wrangler. If you want a midsize-to-large GM SUV, much better choices are available at Chevrolet and GMC dealerships.
  • johnmarcojohnmarco Posts: 22
    True dat. I forgot VW altogether from my hit list. Definitely second the New Beetle as awful. Other than that they have a pretty tight stable, at least in my eye. The Phaeton was a miserable failure in sales, but a good looking car to me.
  • johnmarcojohnmarco Posts: 22
    Here's a few more eye sores:

    Chrysler 300
    Jeep Commander, Patriot, Liberty, Compass (they killed the coolest one, the Cherokee.)
    Nissan 350z, Rogue, Titan, Armada
    Lamborghini all models
    Lotus all models (insect)
    Maserati 4-door
  • davethecarnutdavethecarnut Posts: 248
    Umm.. geez.. I guess you really love your bicycle, eh Johnny??
    Just kidding.....How about the Malcolm Bricklin specials? How do you feel about Subarus, the Bricklin and, of course, the unforgettable Yugo? Do you think Chrysler will have any luck with the Chery instead of ol' Mac?
  • johnmarcojohnmarco Posts: 22
    Ya I guess I cut a pretty mean swath across the auto universe. But hey --- there are a bunch of beautiful cars out there. I thought maybe a companion list would be fun but beyond the scope of this thread.

    Subies? Well, shoot, you asked...
    Like: Impreza, Legacy
    Don't like: WRX/STi, Outback, Tribeca, Forrester

    I've never heard of Malcolm... let's just stay consistent and say I hate it. ;)
  • johnmarcojohnmarco Posts: 22
    Will Chrysler have luck with Chery? I hope so. They badly need a nice small car. And they just need some things to go their way, period.
  • mirde98mirde98 Posts: 95
    -Any Corolla
    -Redneck bigfoot style pick up trucks with mud instead of paint.
    -Any Lincoln or Cadillac SUV's or pick ups.
    -Dodge Avenger, Caliber
    -Jeep Commander, Compass, Patriot
    -Ford Taurus/Sable Tempo/Topaz Windstar Freestyle
    -Mazda Rx7
    -Chevy Cobalt, MonteCarlo, Equinox
    -Honda Ridgeline,Pilot New Accord is UGGLLYYY
    -Nissan Sentra
    -Saturn ION, VUE
    -GM's new Acadia, Outlook they are porkers, fat-ugly and horrendous fuel economy
    -Chrysler Pacifica, Aspen
    -Buick LeSabre/Park Avenue Pontiac Boneville Olsmobile Aurora
  • robbiegrobbieg Posts: 339
    Maybe we could add a twist to this discussion by saying what you would never drive and what you actually drive. For example, a friend of my wife's was making fun of her Honda Odyssey and saying that he would never drive a minivan. I was waiting to hear the guy say he got his wife a Denali, R class Mercedes or some other cool people mover. But the guy then said that got a ................. Chrysler Pacifica. Come on, the Pacifica is the least cool of all sport utility vehicles and clearly less cool than a Odyssey. Bottom line you can not make fun of an Odyssey if you drive a Pacifica but you can if you drive a Denali.

    I would never be caught dead in an Aztek Oh, and we drive a Odessey and a Subaru Legacy GT.
    2014 Highlander XLE AWD, 2009 RX 350 AWD and 2007 Odyssey EX
  • lemkolemko Philadelphia, PAPosts: 15,294
    Any minivan
    Any SUV
    Any crossover
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 23,040
    But the guy then said that got a ................. Chrysler Pacifica. Come on, the Pacifica is the least cool of all sport utility vehicles and clearly less cool than a Odyssey. Bottom line you can not make fun of an Odyssey if you drive a Pacifica but you can if you drive a Denali.

    I dunno, I actually kinda like the Pacifica. I think its biggest problem is that if you really need a minivan or SUV, then you need to go BUY a minivan or SUV and a Pacifica just isn't going to cut it. I think the Pacifica is a fairly attractive looking vehicle, though. I just probably wouldn't buy one.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 42,237
    I don't know if one who drives a Denali can name fun of anything :P
  • davethecarnutdavethecarnut Posts: 248
    Does that include all Suburbans/Tahoes/Yukons?
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