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Buying American Cars What Does It Mean?

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  • tlongtlong CaliforniaPosts: 5,164

    I thought I read the Impala was rated the highest for large sedan.

    Yes, my mistake.

  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 10,460
    tlong said:

    Well I just received my CR annual auto issue today.

    CR, criticized by many as biased in these forums in years past, has the Cruze as the highest overall rated Compact car, and the LaCrosse as the highest rated large sedan. The Buick Regal is the highest rated entry/premium car, tied with the Audi A4.

    A really improved showing for GM from say 10 years ago, good job to them!

    I don't know about GM, but I'd say those results tell me the people working directly for Buick have earned their yearly bonus this year. Can't say that about all of GM. Now if only Buick could make their cars more desirable and a better value, they'd take-off!
    Toy '16 Audi TTS quattro AWD, Commuter '17 VW Golf AllTrack SE 4-Motion AWD, Wife's '16 Kia Optima LX 1.6T FWD
  • berriberri Posts: 8,908
    D3 seems to overprice their vehicle stickers and then throw on incentives . Just saw an article today that D3 has more incentive cost than labor cost on some vehicles. Well duh!
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 10,478
    edited March 2017
    I've done my share of goofing on CR, but it's nice to see two Chevys on their list. I like the Impala a lot; just too expensive for me right now and too big for my wife to drive without parking by feel, LOL.

    Besides liking our Cruze, I think it's an exceptional value. Never pay attention to window sticker on a GM; I haven't in 36 years, LOL.
  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 10,460

    I've done my share of goofing on CR, but it's nice to see two Chevys on their list. I like the Impala a lot; just too expensive for me right now and too big for my wife to drive without parking by feel, LOL.

    Besides liking our Cruze, I think it's an exceptional value. Never pay attention to window sticker on a GM; I haven't in 36 years, LOL.

    The Cruze's ratings have got my attention; that's for sure.

    Whether one believes in CR or not, I think it is much harder to deny that there is a good segment of the population that does believe in CR's ratings, and therefore the market will be influenced by them whether one likes it or not.

    My brother in law may be in the vehicle market very soon, as his '09 Mazda 6 is becoming old and all used up. He wants a vehicle, possibly a hatchback, and something with some guts (power)! First and foremost I think he should be in a GTI, but, if the Cruze has enough oomph for him, he might be wise to consider it. It's hard for me to steer someone towards the Chevy, but I can't deny the reviews, ratings and resuilts. Also, the GTI's Mexican factory's results are not impressive in terms of CR reliability data.

    Still, in the end, since there isn't a Cruze SS, I think the GTI is the right car for him in 2017.

    Toy '16 Audi TTS quattro AWD, Commuter '17 VW Golf AllTrack SE 4-Motion AWD, Wife's '16 Kia Optima LX 1.6T FWD
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 10,478
    edited March 2017
    The Cruze hatch is made in Mexico, and it's only been out a few months. Just sayin'. :)

    I know everybody feels this way about their new car, but I have genuine pride-of-ownership in this new Cruze of ours. I considered brighter colors, but the car I wanted, the LT with zero additional options, was in a charcoal metallic and I think it looks "adult", as I know younger people also buy the Cruze (I think).

    I washed it a couple weeks ago and left it out in the driveway afterwards. My wife pulled in later and said, "That really is a nice-looking car".

    The LT has nice, deep-looking aluminum wheels, and the interior is nicer than my Cobalts (of course). There's a chrome belt molding outside.

    I removed the dealer's license-plate frame and put a chromed frame on it. There's no dealer advertising on it at all. I do think it's a nice-looking car. I'd stop short of "beautiful", but it fits our purpose.

    I don't think we need bigger, and my wife and I agreed that in a couple years if we still like it, we could see ourselves getting a second one.
  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 10,460

    The Cruze hatch is made in Mexico, and it's only been out a few months. Just sayin'. :)

    I know everybody feels this way about their new car, but I have genuine pride-of-ownership in this new Cruze of ours. I considered brighter colors, but the car I wanted, the LT with zero additional options, was in a charcoal metallic and I think it looks "adult", as I know younger people also buy the Cruze (I think).

    I washed it a couple weeks ago and left it out in the driveway afterwards. My wife pulled in later and said, "That really is a nice-looking car".

    The LT has nice, deep-looking aluminum wheels, and the interior is nicer than my Cobalts (of course). There's a chrome belt molding outside.

    I removed the dealer's license-plate frame and put a chromed frame on it. There's no dealer advertising on it at all. I do think it's a nice-looking car. I'd stop short of "beautiful", but it fits our purpose.

    I don't think we need bigger, and my wife and I agreed that in a couple years if we still like it, we could see ourselves getting a second one.

    Have you posted a picture of it? What engine and transmission are they putting in them these days?

    I am one who prefers lighter or more colorful colors, but the dark gray "Daytona Gray Pearl" is more Adult-like on my Audi; it is pretty Stealth-Like..... I feel safer from speeding tickets out on the highway than I probably would in Vegas Yellow.
    Toy '16 Audi TTS quattro AWD, Commuter '17 VW Golf AllTrack SE 4-Motion AWD, Wife's '16 Kia Optima LX 1.6T FWD
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 10,478
    I'm old and low-tech about posting pics, but my signature thumbnail shows the car. If you click on my name, you can see a bigger pic of it.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 10,478
    edited March 2017
    1.4 liter with turbo; 6-speed automatic.
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 11,469
    Man, if the Cruze hatch was available with a manual, 300 hp and RWD biased AWD I'd be first in line.
    Seriously.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport / 2014 M235i / 1999 Wrangler / 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2016 i3 REX/2009 Cooper Clubman Son's: 2009 328i

  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoPosts: 85,477

    Man, if the Cruze hatch was available with a manual, 300 hp and RWD biased AWD I'd be first in line.
    Seriously.

    A return of the Z24?

    :laughing:

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  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,727
    Well Ford offers a Focus ST with 250HP or you can go all out with the RS with 350HP
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,727
    edited March 2017
    Pickups are where the D3 really rack up the rebates. I've seen up to $12k in rebates on certain models at the end of a MY.
  • berriberri Posts: 8,908
    The profit margin is huge on pickups. So that $12K rebate may actually be a smaller hit to margin than say $3K on a car.
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 11,469
    dieselone said:

    Well Ford offers a Focus ST with 250HP or you can go all out with the RS with 350HP

    I did think long and hard about the RS; it's really impressive. If I wasn't one and done with FWD I would have seriously considered the Fiesta ST.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport / 2014 M235i / 1999 Wrangler / 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2016 i3 REX/2009 Cooper Clubman Son's: 2009 328i

  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 10,460

    dieselone said:

    Well Ford offers a Focus ST with 250HP or you can go all out with the RS with 350HP

    I did think long and hard about the RS; it's really impressive. If I wasn't one and done with FWD I would have seriously considered the Fiesta ST.
    The problem with the Focus RS is it is still a Focus that costs $40K.

    The other problem is the Focus is being murdered in user reported reviews via CR. Are all Focuses made in the same factory? Anyone know?
    Toy '16 Audi TTS quattro AWD, Commuter '17 VW Golf AllTrack SE 4-Motion AWD, Wife's '16 Kia Optima LX 1.6T FWD
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America I70 & I75 Posts: 22,436
    edited March 2017

    Man, if the Cruze hatch was available with a manual, 300 hp and RWD biased AWD I'd be first in line.
    Seriously.

    I wonder if the 2.0 Turbo can be fitted into the Cruze. I believe a manual is available with some engine--maybe it's the diesel that's coming. The Clean Diesel.

    Edit: the L base is manual. The LS and LT sedans are available with manual. The LT hatchback is available with manual.

    2015 Cruze 2LT, 2014 Malibu 2LT, 2008 Cobalt 2LT

  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 11,469
    The RS is only built in Germany. The main knock on the garden variety Focus has been the less than stellar dual clutch gearbox.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport / 2014 M235i / 1999 Wrangler / 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2016 i3 REX/2009 Cooper Clubman Son's: 2009 328i

  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,727
    andres3 said:

    dieselone said:

    Well Ford offers a Focus ST with 250HP or you can go all out with the RS with 350HP

    I did think long and hard about the RS; it's really impressive. If I wasn't one and done with FWD I would have seriously considered the Fiesta ST.
    The problem with the Focus RS is it is still a Focus that costs $40K.

    True, but a $40k WRX STI is still an Impreza and has 50 less hp. Bottom line, is you'll need to spend some cash on any performance awd vehicle with over 300hp.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 10,478
    imidazol, although this is my first automatic (for my own car) in five cars, and I knew I wanted an automatic this time, I've heard of the Cruze 'L' but I have never seen even one on a lot. Fact is, I never have seen a stick-shift Cruze in inventory, which I guess makes sense. When I bought my Cobalt new in '08, dealers might have one or two coupes with stick in stock, but no sedans. My dealer went to Indianapolis to get a four-door with stick, base model, with optional ABS.
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,727
    I haven't seen many Cruze manuals, but a buddy of mine did manage to find a Cruze Eco with a 6 speed manual on the dealer lot a few years ago. He's been happy with it, though he's had some transmission problems requiring the trans to be replaced (IIRC, it the clutch wouldn't disengage, clutch was replaced at 20k miles, then it happened again at 30k and the trans was replaced).
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 10,478
    I've seen manual Cruzes in that first generation, but not the current one. Luckily, I've never replaced a single clutch in any of my Chevys, four cars totaling 445K miles. Actually, I never did a thing with any of those transmissions; even replace fluid.
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 11,469
    I've come to the point where I prefer manuals in cars that really need one- those with engines that need to be wound out to make significant power. With the newer turbo engines that make peak torque from 1300-4500 rpm I tend to prefer a well-programed automatic that shifts quickly, rev matches, and has a true manual mode- like the ZF 8HP.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport / 2014 M235i / 1999 Wrangler / 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2016 i3 REX/2009 Cooper Clubman Son's: 2009 328i

  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,727
    I can say the zf 8hp is a great transmission (love it in my ram), I bet in a car like the Cruze eco, you can gain some efficiency with then manual. But yeah I see your point. Today's autos are very good, though I've yet to sample a manual mode in an auto that's satisfying.

  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Alamogordo, NMPosts: 7,613
    edited March 2017
    My 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS had an automatic CVT with paddle shifters that really worked pretty well. When I just got the car I would switch the gearshift over and down and in to paddle - shifter mode and play around with it. After the newness wore off it wasn't as fun. But precise? Yes! No slippage and fun as can be.


    2011 Kia Soul Sport 5-speed

  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Alamogordo, NMPosts: 7,613
    edited March 2017
    It can mean buying a small purple car like this one. Which is a Chevrolet Spark - built in South Korea by Chevy-Daewoo and sold in America by Chevy!

    2011 Kia Soul Sport 5-speed

  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 10,478
    edited March 2017
    I call that a 'captive import', LOL. Sold at Chevy dealers is the only thing American about that thing.
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 11,469
    dieselone said:

    I can say the zf 8hp is a great transmission (love it in my ram), I bet in a car like the Cruze eco, you can gain some efficiency with then manual. But yeah I see your point. Today's autos are very good, though I've yet to sample a manual mode in an auto that's satisfying.

    The 8HP in my 2 Series has an excellent manual mode; shifts are immediate and it will even let you hit the rev limiter rather than upshift. The last time I had it on the track I just pu the box in Sport mode and let it do its thing. There were only a couple of places on the track where I might have done something different, but that's about it.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport / 2014 M235i / 1999 Wrangler / 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2016 i3 REX/2009 Cooper Clubman Son's: 2009 328i

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