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Lincoln MKS



  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    I think that is a very fair and accurate review. For what it's worth, the MKS was #2 on my list of cars for 2009, however the Eco-Boost wasn't out yet, and I didn't want the standard 6 cylinder engine, so went with the (more expensive, I know) Lexus. But the MKS did tempt me as being a lot of car for the money.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,020
    Ok, fair enough. No point continuing to argue.
  • brucelincbrucelinc Posts: 815
    I probably shouldn't make comparisons to cars I haven't driven. To be fair, I have never driven an LS 460, a BMW 7 series or an Audi A8. I base my opinion of those primarily on magazine tests, the pricing and their reputations.

    Prior to buying the MKS, I seriously considered a Jaguar XJ Vanden Plas - drove both new and pre-owned. The MKS does not have the supple ride of the Jag nor does it have the handling feel. There is no substitute for RWD and good weight distribution. The MKS ecoboost is quicker in a straight line than the non-supercharged Jag, however, and has much better user interface with the NAV and Sync systems. I think the sound system of the MKS beats the Jag. The MKS is at least as quiet, too. I really didn't find the fit/finish of the Jag to be any better, either. I assume Lexus and the Germans probably are, though.

    Basically, any $75,000 car is too expensive for me. At $47,600 (after wheeling and dealing), the MKS ecoboost with Ultimate package strikes me as a good value compared to the higher end vehicles. It is built to a price point, absolutely - but so are the higher end cars. There is a point of diminishing return......
  • ranger43ranger43 Posts: 1
    edited March 2010
    This forum seems to focus on shortcomings, I drove the Mercedes E350, Lexus ES350, Infiniti M35x, Taurus SHO, Cadillac CTS, Buick luCerne and Toyota as well as the Lincoln MKZ all 2010. What I found more disturbing that some of these over 40K cars didn't have back up cameras or rain sensing wipers to mention a couple of the items. I ultimately bought the MKS with Eco Boost and Ultimate package. I couldn't be happier and love the car.
  • brucelincbrucelinc Posts: 815
    I have been taking a different route to work - so it is longer - because I enjoy my MKS so much. I haven't found any owners of ecoboost MKSs that do not like them. There is a poster on a different forum that has a transmission problem but he still seems to love the car.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    There is a point of diminishing return......

    You are exactly right! IMO, the MKS may be the best value for the money.
  • tlmacsontlmacson Posts: 11
    Can you provide a link or a reference to the other forum where the transmission problem is discussed?
  • brucelincbrucelinc Posts: 815
    edited April 2010
    Blue Oval News - in the LIncoln MKS forum under "Engine, Powertrain, and Transmission."

    Based on his most recent post, the problem has been fixed. It was a whining noise and the dealer was stumped for awhile. It seems that they found the cause and replaced a part that regulates the line pressure in the transmission.
  • Just a random question to those who have tried ripping music to the "Jukebox" feature from a CD. (Specifically speaking about a burnt cd containing mp3 files, not a store bought from the record label)

    When you ripped the music, do the track titles and artist names appear in the Jukebox? Or does it simply say "Track 1 - Unknown Artist?" Again, specifically about burned music on a CD-R. I have a bit of a pet peeve when it comes to these type of things.

    This question attains to ripping it and storing it in the Jukebox and simply playing the cd itself in the player.

    Thank you! :)
  • brucelincbrucelinc Posts: 815
    edited April 2010
    I have downloaded MP3s and burned them onto a disc and then copied the disc onto my jukebox. No, the track titles and artist names do not appear. To solve that problem, I just go into the jukebox menu and type in the information and it saves it. The end result is you have the same information as a commercial CD.

    Granted, it is not perfect but you can input the data for 20 songs in about 10 minutes. Of course, another option is to simply put the MP3s on a flashdrive and not even use the jukebox for downloaded music. With the flashdrive, the titles and artist will be shown and you don't have to enter it yourself. The flashdrive uses sync while the jukebox is a function of the nav system. From the user's perspective, either way works fine with voice commands or using the touchsceen.
  • Can you "rip" MP3s stored in a flashdrive into the Jukebox? (With the titles appearing?)

    Thanks Bruce :)
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,020
    No, you can't rip MP3s from a flashdrive. They have to be on a CD. The hard disk is in the Nav system, not Sync.
  • brucelincbrucelinc Posts: 815
    A good number of people just have a flashdrive plugged into the USB port and never use the jukebox since you can't rip the MP3s onto it.

    I had a number of commercial CDs that I loaded onto the Jukebox. I also had a number of MP3s on a flashdrive. My problem was that I would sometimes forget which song or album was in which place. Therefore, I burned music CDs with the MP3s from my flashdrive and loaded them onto the jukebox so everything is in the same place.

    If you load homemade CDs, you will need to go into the Jukebox menu and edit the title "unknown artist" to the actual artist name. It doesn't take long once you get familiar with it. Of course it would be faster to enter "Cher" than "Electric Light Orchestra" but it is quite doable.
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  • dmanninodmannino Posts: 2
    Within a 5 week period I have been stranded twice. Both times when I've went to start my car it pops like the sound a light bulb pops when it goes out, and all the instruments flash then everything is dead. First time they changed the battery, which they said was bad, and then this past time after road-side service boosted it off, and towed it in and then it was kept for 5 days. They could not find anything wrong with it. Was wondering if anyone else has had any similar problems?
  • hlee1947hlee1947 Posts: 4
    Yes after playing the radio while waxing the auto I encountered the same problem, it seems the battery was low, I recharged it and have not played the radio for an extended amount of time since. I also have a 2009 F 150 and the battery drains FAST if playing the radio,check your visual gauge in the battery if red the vehicle fails to start. Once charged to green everything works fine. Short trips also affects the battery, it seems the charging system is not strong enough for all of the power hungry accessories. Dealerships are not much assistance, if it is not shown on the computer, there is no problem so it must be your imagination. LOL
  • dmanninodmannino Posts: 2
    Both times the car was parked for over 10 hours. I had a phone charger plugged in both times that's it. When you travel a lot It is really a scary situation. It is a shame when you pay 43,000 for a car, and you feel more secure in a '05 Honda CRV that you paid 5000 for. This last time I shut the door and at the time did not have my key, only the fob, and was not able to get in the car. And you're correct the dealership does not give me any comfort.
  • kenb757kenb757 Posts: 149
    edited September 2010
    Looks like this overpriced Taurus/Volvo is really flying off the showroom floors now.
  • robw64robw64 Posts: 76
    While our 2007 MKX crossover was at the dealer for a warranty repair we had a 2011 MKS base sedan to drive for five days over the New Year holiday weekend. We didn't put a lot of miles on the vehicle (it had 4,200 miles on the odometer), but did spend quite a bit of time scrutinizing it because we had been considering this model as a replacement for our current ride anyway.

    The cinnamon paint color is beautiful, and even our 15-year old commented on how the color seemed to change depending on the time of day and lighting conditions. The paint surface was universally smooth and without defects (and we really looked closely).

    Inside, the fit & finish was impressive. The beige leather and light wood were very nice, and the dashboard plastics were nicely textured. The aluminum trim pieces were well-aligned and the brushed finish appeared very satiny and upscale rather than 'scratched from end-to-end' as one of our friends said interior metal sometimes looks.

    The car felt extremely solid to drive and we all noticed the cabin was very quiet......we could hardly hear the engine running at all. I am surprised Lincoln doesn't emphasize the solid, quality feel and the hushed cabin in their advertising campaigns. The technology is great, but I can't help but think Lincoln should emphasize the upscale look & feel more. It definitely 'felt like' a luxury sedan when driving it. The ride was firmer than our MKX crossover, but not uncomfortable in any way. The paddle shifters for the manual mode transmission seem to be up shift, the driver presses the paddle toward the steering wheel column rather than just using your thumb and pressing them straight forward toward the dash. I never got used to that motion and stopped using manual mode after the second day.

    I am quite tall and the cabin was very comfortable in regard to head and leg room for me while driving, but there was not a great deal of leg room behind me for a rear seat passenger. This base model did not have the optional sunroof, which takes more than an inch off the interior headroom because the glass drops down and then into the roofline rather than up and back like the Lincoln MKX. Compared to our MKX, there seems to be less rear seat leg room when the driver seat is positioned all the way back. The dead pedal for the left foot is a little closer than I would have preferred, but I found that I could also extend my leg and rest my foot behind the brake pedal without obstructing it at all. One drawback which took a day or two to get used to is the door sill height. I tend to rest my elbows on the door sills while driving, but the MKS has very tall door panels and this was not a comfortable position at all. I found the position of the elbow rest and the split center console lid to be perfectly placed, though. If you like to drive with the window open and your arm on the window frame, this car isn't a good fit.

    Overall we were impressed with the car. Special offers from Lincoln are plentiful at the end of the year and the Edmunds TMV is significantly lower than MSRP in our area of Florida.
  • brucelincbrucelinc Posts: 815
    Your review after 5 days is in close agreement with my observations after owning one for 15 months.

    I find the car to be very comfortable, solid, well put together and extremely quiet but rear seat room leg room is tight for such a large car. We also have a 2008 Taurus and you could live in it's back seat.

    I have gotten used to the paddle shifters and use them a lot. At first, it seemed counter intuitive to pull back to upshift but now it is second nature for me. I guess if I had a choice, I would like the right paddle for upshifts and the left for downshifts and not have the little thumb things at all.

    I really like the Nav and SYNC systems and their user interface. Most of all, I like the ecoboost engine - which I realize your loaner did not have.
  • Leasing 2011 MKS in white/ beige with 20" rims. Car looks great.

    My observations having not owned an American car in 12 years (owned Lexus's, Infiniti's and 1 Acura) on this car are:

    Its quiet and big.
    Trunk opening is very small for such a big trunk.
    Not enough leg room to stretch your left leg.
    Very good MPG
    If I did not know it was a Lincoln I would think it was Asian; thats good.
    High door sills.
    SYNC is fantastic and I might get another FOMOCO because of it. Did have 1 glitch and fixed itself.
    Exhaust noise not as sporty or mellow as 2008 M35, 2007 Maxima, 2004 RL or 2000 GS 400 I had in past.
    So far quality is equal but have only driven 1200 miles in 3 months.

    I would reccommend this car and mine is the base with plenty of power as I did not want AWD.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,020
    Have you seen or tried MyLincoln Touch on the 2011 MKX? It will be available on the MKS at some point. Despite some early glitches that were recently fixed with a software update it makes sync look like a 10 year old cellphone.

    I've also heard the new MKS is stunning along with all of the new Lincoln designs. Lincoln has just started their turnaround and the best is yet to come (provided you don't want a RWD sports sedan).
  • I have not tried it but my summer (Ford retired) neighbor got the MKX so I will see it then.

    We did have a glitch on SYNC. We recd. a call and hung after correctly. Now only next track or prev. track works and get a Speech Control not Recognized when asking to Play Artist or Song.
    Called dealer and they had no idea what happened. Uh huh; reading boards others have had same problem.
    A week later we made a call in the car, the music stopped as it should but the phone never switched to SYNC and when we hung up via the phone the music did not come back on.

    AHA, I hung up again using the steering wheel button and ALL is now working great!

    SYNC is great and I hope it stays working.

    RWD- Yes I really miss it. It was most noticeable when I got the MKS after driving the M35 for 2 years. Are other car is a 2005 Thunderbird RWD. They just drive so much better in non snowy climes.

    AWD- don't want it in FL and the car has plenty of power for what I need which says a lot since I do like HP.

    I do get a little vibration at 80+ MPH which may be from the 20" tires. Not sure.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Do you have aftermarket or stock wheels? Aftermarkets are often not fully round, and vibration can't be fixed with those. OTOH, the stock, factory wheels are excellent, and if you have those, + a vibration, it's one of the tires, or a balancing issue on one of them.
  • datagendatagen Posts: 107
    I have had that kind of problem yet. I have discovered that I get better service from a Ford dealer than a Lincoln one. They will honor your warranty and the one I take my mks to seems to do a better job.
  • datagendatagen Posts: 107
    Agreed, I still have my 2009 and I have my reasons for keeping it even though it is not the perfect vehicle. Besides (looking at my watch), it is still a free country. Adding a hood light is not much of an effort or cost. Mine is red and I had it professionally tinted. It really sets the red off. I have received many comments on this move.

    I plan on getting the lincoln spoiler with the chrome accent, then that will be it for me.
  • kargkarg Posts: 20
    Great to see a lot of familier names from the Lincoln LS forum now commenting here. I still have my 2000 V6 w/125,000 miles and never a REAL problem of any kind to date. I have never driven the winters - so that may have helped mine stay so nice inside/out.

    I also have a 2003 Town Car Cartier L - with lots of extra room, but I got stuck this past winter - did a LOT of damage and am thinking AWD will serve me better, but don't really like SUV's. Enter the MKS...

    I've been looking at used MKZ's and Taurus/Sables, but I am really tempted to buy a used MKS.

    I found one that has 78,000 miles. It is a 2009 AWD with the 3.7L engine and has Ultimate package - so loaded up. They are asking just over $20K (which is ridiculously low...)? That IS the original set price - as it just went up for sale. Carfax looks okay. Corporate owened by the look. My problem is that the car is over 3 hours drive away and I'm not able to travel that far with recent lower back trouble.

    I'm really torn. I've been reading stories about the brakes being the most prevelant problem. Any other things I should be worried about. I really trust the Lincoln V6's - since my experience with my LS - it has been a Warrior! I still get 27 mpg highway and 22 mixed driving. I'm a little disappointed with the 23 MPG on the MKS AWD - especially when my '03 Town Car with V8 gets better mileage. I know - drive the LS in the summer and MKS in the winter. That is the plan...

    Any suggestions/feedback would be appreciated.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    edited July 2011
    Like the car, concerned about the price with so many miles, also< the LS V-6 was an adapted Jaguar engine, the MKS V-6 has no relationship, but it so far has a very good reputation as well. I think you can do better on the price though.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,020
    The V8 was from Jag. The V6 was a Ford duratec.

    That AJ V8 was a sweet engine. Too bad Jag wouldn't let Ford use the 4.2L na and sc versions.
  • brucelincbrucelinc Posts: 815
    The 2009 MKSs had a few issues but TSBs have been issued for the gremlins and the fixes are straightforward. The 2009 would still be under warranty.

    Other than the brakes, there were reports of doors that would lock and then unintentionally unlock - fixed by a revised rod to the lock mechanism - not a big deal. The other thing that comes to mind was vibration in the rear deck shelf when playing songs with heavy bass. That is fixed with additional padding and revised fasteners for the subwoofer. These issues were addressed in the 2010s although there still been a few reports of grinding brakes. That issue took 2 or maybe 3 TSBs but the latest one solves the problem.

    The 3.7 is a fine engine. It has more power than your TC's V8 and the MKS is a heavy car - much heavier than your LS. The AWD system reduces mileage somewhat. Most owners report better cruising highway mileage than the EPA estimates.
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