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What is "wrong" with these new subcompacts?



  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Looks good to me.

    I see a bit of Lancer in the greenhouse, but overall it definitely looks like a Chevy should.

    The interior looks great. Consider the price class - IMHO this puts the Yaris to shame (I hate center-mounted gauges).
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Got Lancer?
  • watkinstwatkinst Posts: 119
    Guess I'm Lucky

    My wife will only drive a manual. She hates autos. Which greatly reduces our replacement vehicle options. Though I suspect it will be easy - the 1.8T jetta gets replaced with a decked out TDI 6spd. I doubt I would even need to say anything about it.
  • ingvaringvar Posts: 205
    Subaru knows their market and expand it to the new customers. I switched my IS350 to Legacy 3.5R and I'm happy, love my new car, better than my old Toyota.
  • ghuletghulet Posts: 2,628
    edited February 2010
    is the Impala being dropped, or at least replaced with something a little bigger (its design quite old at this point)? It's currently about the same size, and at almost exactly the same price point, as the Malibu, which makes it redundant. I agree with you re interior room, for both, though in the back seat I felt better in the Impala, maybe just because of the larger greenhouse (I'm a bit shorter than you, 6'0" and less 'leggy', though). I sat in the back of a Saturn Aura, basically the same as a Malibu, and wasn't too impressed with the space relative to the car's size.

    I apologize if these questions have been answered, I'm not keeping up too well these days!
  • watkinstwatkinst Posts: 119
    Look at the new Subaru Legacy Sedan. The back seat space is lets say eye popping ha ha.

    A friend just bought one because he's over 6ft tall and its the only sedan he could find where he could have his seat in the proper spot and a rear facing child seat behind him!

    As for the car - runs circles around the competition on price and options.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Didn't hurt that in Consumer Reports testing both engines were more fuel efficient than a similar Honda Accord (even with the AWD handicap).

    Bringing this full circle, I'd like to see Subaru improve the mileage on the Impreza. Right now a Legacy 2.5i is actually more fuel efficient!
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 23,009
    I apologize if these questions have been answered, I'm not keeping up too well these days!

    I gotta confess, I'm not keeping up like I used to, either. :blush:

    I think the main reason I could fit better in the back of the Malibu/Aura is that I could splay my legs and straddle the seat in front of me, but I couldn't do that with the Impala, so I had to practically sit sideways. The seats in the Malibu/Aura do have those little cutouts in the back for your knees, but they're way too low for mine.

    IIRC, the Impala's back seat is also a bit higher than the Malibu's, and sometimes I've found that actually makes it tighter for me, since my legs are now more straight-out, rather than angled upward, so I need more fore/aft room, or whatever they call that measurement.

    I have to admit though, I've been a bit impressed with the Aveos I've sat in at auto shows. I know they're usually ragged on as miserable little cars, but I don't think they're that bad. While there's no denying that they're small cars, they're actually roomier inside than I thought they'd be.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 KC MetroPosts: 6,658
    edited February 2010
    2008+ Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

    I'm thinkin' Mitsubishi has this thing down better than The General.

    2012 Chevrolet Aveo

    2011 Kia Soul Sport 5-speed

  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 23,009
    The Aveo is definitely an improvement over the current model, but I think you're right, that the Lancer looks better. I think part of the Aveo's problem is that the front-end is just too big for that car. The Lancer just seems better-proportioned, IMO...

    I think it also helps that the Lancer's grille seems wider and larger, while the headlights are smaller and a bit more toned down. I also like the way the Lancer has that forward thrust to it, and with the overall shape of the upper and sub-grille, with its surround, evokes slight memories of the 1957-59 Chrysler 300 Letter Series cars.

    Still, not a bad effort for the Aveo.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Aveo is smaller and I've always felt like it's much harder to style very small cars.

    Look at BMW - the 3 series looks fine. Apply the same style to the 1 series - it looks kinda dorky.

    Though I agree - the Lancer is better executed.
  • tifightertifighter WAPosts: 1,700
    I'll be the oddball and say that I like the Aveo look better. I think the sense of width the design gives makes the car look substantial and sporty-two things that are usually not identified with the subcompact category. In any case, its a big step up versus the previous design in my eyes...

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 53,845 two different classes?

    An Aveo doesn't compete with a Lancer or a Civic.... It's a Yaris or Fit... If you can buy that car for the low-mid teens, like the last one, it will be a big hit... Nice family resemblance to the Malibu..


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  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,725
    I agree, that car has suffered from looking like the cheap crappy subcompacts of the 90s, and the new one looks like a member of the family finally, even if it is a BIT overdone.

    Still no news of the Polo.....will it or won't it for the U.S.? Have I missed a vital bit of news on that front?

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  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 KC MetroPosts: 6,658
    that The General is more so on the right track with this new world order Chevrolet Aveo. It makes the old Daewoo creation look more like a bad Matchbox car. If they keep its price down Chevy may just sell shipload after shiploads of those puppies.

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 53,845
    They'll have some competition, though..

    At the car show, they had the new Mazda 2 and the new Ford Fiesta.. both nice looking sub-sub-compacts, in four door hatch form..

    Are those built off the same platform? Unfortunately, they had them roped off on a viewing stand..


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  • The Aveo looks better than the old one, but it now looks almost overdone to me.

    I am waiting to experience the Fiesta a little bit and looking forward to the sport version. The Mazda2 at NAIAS seemed to have a very different feel to them, in styling and execution, and sitting inside. Neither car is ready, so I don't know what they brought in terms of prototypes to display.

    How different was the VW Fox from the Polo from that time era? I remember the Fox wagon felt a lot like the Rabbit I used to drive occasionally.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Lancer will compete with the Cruze, so you are correct, sir.

    We were just noting the resemblance, though, especially the green house.

    Mazda2 and Fiesta indeed share a platform. I'm curious to try both to see which drives sportier.
  • michaellnomichaellno Posts: 4,300
    Still no news of the Polo.....will it or won't it for the U.S.? Have I missed a vital bit of news on that front?

    I thought I had read somewhere that VW will be bringing the Polo to the US in the next year or two.

    A Polo GTI with the 1.4 TFSI would be quite fun, IMHO.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I wonder if those require premium fuel?
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,725
    edited March 2010
    Doesn't matter - they would be a blast! Do you think they could keep it under $18K? I assume they would be built in Mexico.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I don't think so.

    It would slot below the GTI, not not below the Golf.

    The GTI is $24k, so I bet they would have to cut some costs just to keep it at $19,999.
  • bumpybumpy Posts: 4,435
    is going to be a FWD smart with a third seat and a CVT. No manual in sight.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Price? MPG? Not yet I suppose?
  • steverstever Posts: 52,573
    edited April 2010
    Don't remember seeing a price.

    "It's front-wheel drive, powered by a 1.3-liter, 90-horsepower engine and should get around 38 mpg on the highway."

    Note in the comments that people wonder who would want to drive it on the highway - so, what's the city mpg? 34?

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    If they price it right it will kill the ForTwo in terms of sales.

    I just hope they don't do this:

    Base price: $9999
    Wheels: $1000
    Tires: $500
    A/C: $800
    Mirrors: $500
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,738
    I think that's a typo - is should get that combined and easily get in the 40-45mpg range highway.
  • alltorquealltorque Posts: 535
    ? MPG? Not yet I suppose?

    Over here in UK it's known as the Toyota Scion brand here.

    The 1.0 ltr / 67bhp minimotor gives an average of 65.7mpg, (Imperial), which looks like circa 55mpg US. Retail price starts at £9974.

    The 97bhp version shows 58.7mpg, (Imperial), or 49mpg US and retails from £11260. In both cases an Auto 'box is shown as a £1000 option.

    Hope that helps.
  • bumpybumpy Posts: 4,435
    I bet it's dumbed-down for the EPA. The smart can actually get 50 mpg highway in the real world, but the EPA says 41.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    That seems high but I know that US prices are always lower.
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