Stories from the Sales Frontlines

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  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,237
    lvranger....welcome aboard!

    Kirstie...are you saying those, ummmm....."pants".....would NOT be the gift that keeps on giving? :P

    Last time I drove a Peugot was a rental in Mexico....in a town that may, or may not be, part of the Caribbean. Actually, not a bad car. Nothing that really bowled me over. But, it was comfy, handled decently, and was certainly faster than the beat up taxis weaving in and out of traffic. It was new enough that it actually earned me a parking spot smack dab in front of a "Senor Frogs".

    Back on topic, I don't know if this web site has been mentioned before, but I've found it interesting.....www.truecar.com.

    Don't know where, or how, they compile their data. But, if its anywhere close to being accurate, it might be a new pricing tool for those who are in the market for a new car.
    2024 Kia EV6 GT-Line AWD Long Range
  • m6vxm6vx Member Posts: 142
    Does the 206 come in a convertible?

    A nice summer evening, the top down........ :-D
  • m6vxm6vx Member Posts: 142
    "Good Lord !! How long did it take to read all those posts?"

    Basically since I joined up in Feb 08 so about a year and a half. I was working graveyard and had a lot of spare time. After I switched shifts I read in my down time, which can be considerable some days.

    -------------------

    This story sounds very similar to mine -- not a lot going on at work, most internet sites blocked (not Edmunds!), trying to look busy. Glad those days are over!

    I think it took me about a year to get through all the posts in this forum.

    Thanks to all that contributed, its been a real education!
  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    ...I don't know if this web site has been mentioned before, but I've found it interesting.....www.truecar.com.

    Not too long ago someone here mentioned this site. I went and took a look and it appears to have more in depth info as to how to get a good price.

    As you know, I don’t need it now but it looks exactly like what you need to get off the fence. It's easy to tell someone else (or 2) how to buy a car :)

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,684
    I was looking at some books to add for our next warehouse sale open to the public...and I came across this gem. Looks like a great book for a Christmas Gift!

    A visual feast of fifty of the most craptastic cars ever to hit the American highway.



    Crap Cars is a window into the vanity and silliness of almost any decade as expressed through that ultimate of status symbols: your car. Traveling from the ’60s to the ’90s, it showcases the cheapest, the tackiest, and the mechanically inept, including cars made by companies like Porsche and BMW that put them to shame. There’s also the blobby Merkur Scorpio, the ungainly Rolls-Royce Camargue, the squarish Maserati Biturbo, and the (ironically) flammable Renault Fuego. Each photo spread is accompanied by a short, hilarious critique by Richard Porter, a crap car expert, who sees straight through all the pimped-out bodywork to the true lemon that lies underneath.



    Crap Cars is the perfect gift for anyone who loves cars or the casualties of bad taste, or for that special someone who misses their own beloved, long-gone piece of crap.

    About the Author
    Richard Porter is a screenwriter for BBC’s immensely popular Top Gear program (www.bbc.co.uk/topgear) and writes for EVO car magazine. Visit his spoof car news website at www.sniffpetrol.com.

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  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,661
    ...not a lot going on at work, most internet sites blocked (not Edmunds!)...

    Makes me glad I am the IT department at work, nothing is blocked for anyone... :D
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,557
    "...I've found it interesting....www.trucar.com..."

    Just for fun I ran my wife's 2009 PT Cruiser through that site. It said anything less than $20,200ish was an incredible deal. I paid high 17s.

    I'm nowhere near your league when it come to negotiating so either I missed something or that site runs high. (at least for that car).

    Maybe their figures don't consider rebates and dealer cash.

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,237
    oldfarmer....thanks for the kind words. Actually, I use a lot of different sources before I come up with a firm offer. Some of it here at Edmunds. While it's not the end all to beat all because I don't know how much is truth, and how much is fiction, but I also peruse the "what I paid" threads, too.

    I think truecar.com actually considers holdback and rebates/incentives when figuring actual dealer cost. But, if they're gathering purchase info from dealers, or better yet, BMV figures, then it gives a good gauge of the delta in pricing on any particular models over the course of a set period of time. Wish the site gave more information on how and where the data is derived.

    PT Cruisers? I dunno. Maybe they're becoming scarce? Are they even manufacturing them any more? I know I've seen newspaper ads for them that run right around the $16K-$17K range around here. But, none of those ads have been recent (at least none that I've noticed).

    I ran the deal I helped my friend get on the '09 CR-V and I beat their "great price", too.
    2024 Kia EV6 GT-Line AWD Long Range
  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,684
    Just talked to friend who had transmission noises from his 2003 CRV with 45,000 miles on it.
    Garage (Canadian Tire Store - blah) couldn't fix it though they said it was fine, even if it does make noises.
    He took it to Honda, and they will put in a new transmission - they are shocked that it broke down.
    I am surprised that a Honda transmission went so soon, but I am even more surprised that they agreed to replace it so easily.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,753
    >. The floor mat only exposed the problems; not the root of the problems.

    I find it amusing the Honda store would act like a failed transmission was a surprise to them. Honda has had a history of transmission problems.

    > 2003 CRV with 45,000

    Did he have an extended warranty on it? it's 5 years and 45,000 miles.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    I saw that book at our local Chapters. Neat book but too pricey, I think like $15 or $20.

    2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX

  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    Honda powertrain warranties are for 5 years or 100000kms (60k miles). So it's very possible that warranty still didn't ran out.

    2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX

  • lrguy44lrguy44 Member Posts: 2,197
    I saw it about $12 at Amazon and even cheaper elsewhere. Just googled best price.....
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Are you sure Google actually gave you the best price though?

    Did you go ask them in person?

    Shop it around to a few other search engines and the guy down on the corner who has a few searches on his lawn from time to time?

    Better check with the local search shop and make sure there aren't any kinks with this particular algorithm.

    :P
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    Be sure to find out if the book store will split the holdback...
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,684
    If you have 3 minutes check it out.......
    vette amphi car

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • jipsterjipster Member Posts: 6,299
    I find it amusing the Honda store would act like a failed transmission was a surprise to them. Honda has had a history of transmission problems.

    Yep. Hordes of people in the Honda Ody discussion are complaining that their 8 year old Honda Ody, with ONLY 130,000 miles, are having transmission problems.
    Honda transmissions should never break down. The vehicle will usually just disintegrate into a pile of rust around the bullet and missile proof transmission.
    2021 Honda Passport EX-L, 2020 Honda Accord EX-L, 2011 Hyundai Veracruz, 2010 Mercury Milan Premiere.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 54,158
    unbunch your shorts dude.

    If you actually read all those threads, and I do owning 2 V6 Honda products, the vast majority of people on there with dead trannys are at well below 100K. Heck, there are people with 130K now that are on their 3rd!

    I don't know what you consider to be normal life for a tranny (especially one that costs 4-5K to replace), but 6 years/90K sounds a little short to me. Especially when you pay a premium for the vaunted Honda "bullet and missleproof" quality!

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    I'll give Honda this - when I had a transmission issue they fixed it immediatelya nd it didn't cost me a nickle.

    OTOH when my old Windstall's tranny bit the dust Ford treated me like a leper and I never saw a cent from them.

    At least a Ford tranny can be rebuilt for loads less. :sick:
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,557
    "...I thought these would be cool..."

    "Honey, do these pants make me look fat?"

    Murmmers to self: (They make her look as fat as a Land Rover) to wife: "No, not at all dear." :P

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,557
    Very interesting name. Are you related to driver 100? Are you twice as good as he? Are you his father perhaps?

    So many questions, so little time.

    :confuse:

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • verdugoverdugo Member Posts: 2,288
    "Honey, do these pants make me look fat?"

    Gives new meaning to the term "junk in the trunk." ;)
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,557
    I just caught the tail end of a news story that the White House was attacking Edmunds for some report they did. Can anyone elaborate on this?

    First Fox, now Edmunds. I gotta stop hanging out with you right-wingers. :sick:

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,661
    Edmunds made a ballpark estimate that the cash-for-clunkers program cost $24,000 for each incremental sale (sales that wouldn't have occurred had the government done nothing). Understandably, this drew the ire of the Bailout Commission, as all cash incentives over $5,000 are earmarked for corporations instead of individuals.
  • delthekingdeltheking Member Posts: 1,152
    It`s all there in the -- Cash for Clunkers: Do you think it`s a good idea -- Thread in Edmunds forums. :shades:
  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    Here's the story: Taxpayers Paid $24,000 per Vehicle Sold, Reports Edmunds.com.

    Apparently, the White House doesn't like basic math. Perhaps they'll proclaim that we're not a real automotive site. ;)

    tidester, host
    SUVs and Smart Shopper
  • jipsterjipster Member Posts: 6,299
    .... If you actually read all those threads

    I've followed and have read just about every post in that discussion for about 4 years. The "vast majority" of posts deal with trans that are around 80k-130k miles. Check out the last 10 posts as a small sample... 5 of the 10 Ody's are 2002 or 2003 with more than 90k miles. Honda does a lot more in helping their loyal to the death followers with reimbursements. But, it does get a bit ridiculous when people expect free, or half off on cost of replacement transmission, when they are riding around on a 7, 8 or 9 year old van with over a 100k miles.
    2021 Honda Passport EX-L, 2020 Honda Accord EX-L, 2011 Hyundai Veracruz, 2010 Mercury Milan Premiere.
  • jipsterjipster Member Posts: 6,299
    OTOH when my old Windstall's tranny bit the dust Ford treated me like a leper and I never saw a cent from them.

    The Ford Freestar transmission problem discussion is also quite interesting. Problems much worse with their trans than Hondas... most saying Ford isn't doing anything to help, and they are wanting to band together to file a class action suit.
    A lot of one and done posters make me believe there is a lot of double dipping going on.
    2021 Honda Passport EX-L, 2020 Honda Accord EX-L, 2011 Hyundai Veracruz, 2010 Mercury Milan Premiere.
  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,684
    Very interesting name (Driver 200). Are you related to driver 100?

    Yes, we are related. We are the same person. I am not sure why that happened, but it seems I am driver 200 when I write in from work. I think it was that way a long time ago and then when I had to log in I probably used the old password. Any way, it is too difficult for me to fix, so to avoid confusion - Driver 100 and 200 are one and the same person. :surprise:

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    You go boy! ;)

    Richard
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,753
    >Jipster says: "complaining that their 8 year old Honda Ody, with ONLY 130,000 miles,"...

    Hipster must have overlooked the other 99% such as this most recent post:

    My wife's 07 Odyssey. It has 35K on it and has been experiencing the issue for at least the last 6K.

    I realize trying to spin reality is a debating tactic, but the cars are sold to some gullible consumers as a perfect machine. But then reality strikes.

    A few get their transmission replaced free (paid for by the Honda extended warranty in the extra price they paid initially for the ubercar), but most get an offer of a small portion beneficiently paid for by Honda and the customer pays the rest.

    The topic makes interesting reading along with CRV AC compressors.
    The topic makes interesting reading along with CRV AC compressors.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,557
    "...Perhaps they'll proclaim that we're not a real automotive site..."

    Only if Glen Beck becomes a host. ;)

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,237
    tidester.....instersting article.

    One thing that caught my eye..... Edmunds.com, the premier resource for online automotive information in the very first sentence.

    Does that mean all of us here are the "premier posters for online automotive information"? :P
    2024 Kia EV6 GT-Line AWD Long Range
  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,684
    RE: CRAP CARSsaw that book at our local Chapters. Neat book but too pricey, I think like $15 or $20

    That would be the full list price. At our warehouse sale we'll have them for $5!

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    That would be the full list price. At our warehouse sale we'll have them for $5!

    OK...that sounds like a fair price but what's your DOC fee (otherwise known as Table Fee in your biz) ? :surprise:

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    "premier posters for online automotive information"

    Of course we are. One of us may soon be named as Czar of Posters for the White House. :D

    Richard
  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    Do these come with emergency flashers in men's sizes? If so, perhaps your wife could loan you out for some part time work. :P

    Richard
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    That would be the full list price. At our warehouse sale we'll have them for $5!

    Cool. Send me one!

    Richard - I can see you as a czar. Go for it!
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    Richard - I can see you as a czar. Go for it!

    Not so fast there. With the way my employer has been taking advantage of their best consultant lately, :mad: I'd like to throw my hat into that ring.

    Finally, a chance to go out with a position that carries no responsibility.

    'jmonroe for czar'...has a great ring to it, doesn't it? :D

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,357
    You can have that job, I want to be the czar in charge of hindsight. :)

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,684
    OK...that sounds like a fair price but what's your DOC fee (otherwise known as Table Fee in your biz) ?

    No doc fee, just handling and mailing charges of $14.95 and a stocking fee of $6.99.
    Where would you like us to mail your copy to (after you give us your VISA number) and a simple authorization fee of $4.99.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,684
    Do these come with emergency flashers in men's sizes?

    No, but, I thought they would look really smart with those sequential turn signal flashers the old T-Birds had. :P :P

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    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,625
    I would say if you rearrange the letters and added a 'y' it would fit us all.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    Does that mean all of us here are the "premier posters for online automotive information"?

    Certainly - with one or two exceptions! :P

    tidester, host
    SUVs and Smart Shopper
  • verdugoverdugo Member Posts: 2,288
    Does that mean all of us here are the "premier posters for online automotive information"?

    Only if you've paid your membership dues :)
  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    No, but, I thought they would look really smart with those sequential turn signal flashers the old T-Birds had.

    Did you notice how powerful those lights were? They actually made the car move. The NTSB probably outlawed them for that very reason. As Car Czar, I will allow them to be brought back. Cars can never have too much power.

    I’ve officially started my campaign :)

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,684
    Did you notice how powerful those lights were? They actually made the car move.

    That is why they will look even better when they are on pants....that little jiggling action!

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,357
    I prefer the clear lenses.

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • delthekingdeltheking Member Posts: 1,152
    Well, we would like to know who these exceptions are . Please let us know !! ;) :shades:
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    Be good, gents. An taking the younger kids down to Orlando and all that entails (I am planning on it entailing drinks by the pool for me....). Will try to check in.

    Gee, we don't have anyone around there in this group do we? I could have borrowed a car instead of renting....
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
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