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Hyundai Santa Fe vs Toyota RAV4 vs Mazda CX-7 vs Ford Edge



  • piastpiast Posts: 269
    You must be one of those dumb corn-fed then. Is it something they adding to the corn?

    Edge is far behind competition in performance, fuel economy, price, fit and finish (check any car mag review in recent months. The only thing that helps is that it is based on Mazda (Japanese) platform. Still average dealer sells 3 (three) copies of it every month. Open your hood and honestly tell us how many parts "Made in the USA" do you see? How about yours TV, Video camera, watch, parts inside your computer? See it is all global now, some Ford models have 30% of parts made in the US, and on the other hand Toyota or Honda may have 60%. I don't care to whose rich pockets profit goes, thousands have jobs here assembling, selling and servicing those cars.
    And don't forget to call it crap next time some medical equipment (made in Japan) just saved somebody's life...
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    This is a comparison topic intended to discuss specific vehicles. It is not the place to debate political issues related to domestics versus imports.

    tidester, host
    SUVs and Smart Shopper
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,062
    Must be something in the water. I can't remember seeing so many nasty posters in so many different forums at the same time.
  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    The 2009 survey will be based on the 2006 models

    So the 2009 survey will feature Porsche, Lexus, Hyundai as the top three most reliable nameplate?
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,062
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    You guys probably all own Mac's too.

    Completely off the subject, but, I own 2 Mac's and use a PC at work, the Mac is superior in every way from reliability to being user friendly. The list really goes on and on. :P

    Japanese vehicles tend to be more reliable then American makes, especially in the long run. Their vehicles hold up better as a whole over a long period of time. American makes tend to fall apart, and become less "tight" or reliable. My family has owned numerous Fords with little to no problems, but didn't drive as well once they hit over 100,000 miles as the [non-permissible content removed] brands did. They also required more maintenance at the mileage as well. Where as owning a few Honda's, 1 Toyota, 1 Mitsu. They all felt very secure one hitting 100K. I currently own a Mazda with 30K, and drives like the day I bought it.
  • sidious6688sidious6688 Posts: 80
    This is the most ridiculous thread I've yet seen. There is one simple reason to buy foreign - ownership cost over time. If you factor depreciation, gas, taxes, maintenance, repairs etc, the comparison over multiple years of ownership is a joke. American cars costing thousands of dollars less than their competitors are actually much more expensive over time. All thing being equal, I'd love to buy American. However, I'm not about to subsidize a substandard product with my money. I simply cannot afford it, and would not want to promote mediocrity.
  • steverstever Posts: 52,462
    Our handy-dandy True Cost to Own tool will let you compare those factors for your potential new car out over 5 years.
  • markanmarkan Posts: 48
    My wife and I have spent some time test driving CUV's. We drove the RAV 4, Murano, Santa Fe, Edge, CX7, and Tribeca. All had pluses and minuses. We narrowed it down to the Edge and Tribeca based on the total package of comfort, style, and performance. This will be a tough choice!!!
  • dbp812dbp812 Posts: 2
    I have been test driving a Rav4 and a SF. I have always owned a Toyota but I find I really like the SF. My concern is that I don't know much about Hyundai.... reading reviews etc make it sound wonderful.... anyone disapointed that they purchased the SF?
  • gizzer777gizzer777 Posts: 335
    I have a 2007 SF SE model and love it. Used to drive Hondas and was also afraid of the OLD reputation Hyundai had. I also have a great hyundai dealer. So far I am not disappointed and I also test drove a rav 4. Noisy and Toyota and Honda's quality is not what they used to be...also like the long Hyundai warranty!

    Good luck on your decision
  • lv2drvlv2drv Posts: 132
    I love my SF :D ! Aware of their reputation, I checked with my brother-in-law who is a new car dealer. He says the SF would be a great purchase. They have made huge improvements. I tend to keep my cars for years, so the resale isn't a big issue for me. The fit and finish on my vehicle is great. I've not had the problems others have experienced. The blue lighting at night can be a problem for some. Some say it's too bright, but I'm ok with it. The car is smooth and quiet and I love the XM more than I thought I would. Even with gas prices higher, I sometimes find an excuse to drive somewhere :shades: ; with the sunroof open and the radio going!
  • mpuzachmpuzach Posts: 635
    I've had my Santa Fe Limited AWD for a month and couldn't be happier with it. Before buying, I looked at and test drove the Honda CR-V, Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited, Chevy Equinox, Mitsubishi Outlander, Toyota Highlander, Dodge Nitro, and the other 2 Hyundai SUVs (Veracruz and Tucson). I chose the Santa Fe because after carefully considering features, styling, driving experience, and warranty, I liked it the best. Notice that I did not mention price. While the Santa Fe is certainly priced attractively (and there are great deals to be had), this is a Hyundai that can stand on its own without having to add the "for the price" qualifier.

    I really wanted to like the CR-V since for not much more $$$ than I ended up paying for my Santa Fe I could have bought a top-end EX with leather and navigation. I test drove one that was perfectly equipped; on the day of the test drive I was ready to buy. As much as I wanted to like it, I didn't. It was under-powered, the interior felt very spartan, and I didn't like that the rear seats didn't fold flat. It's too bad since Honda seems to build vehicles of high quality but this one simply didn't do it for me.

    The other finalist was the Grand Cherokee Limited. What makes them so attractive is the huge discounts (largely affected by rebates) that are available on them. You can buy them at dealer invoice less a $4500 rebate; for that you get a V8 engine, AWD, leather, moon roof, heated seats, upgraded audio system, and tons of other great stuff. In addition, it's available with navigation; in fact, the Jeep nav unit can be dealer-installed in a non-nav vehicle for around $2000. Even though the non-nav Jeep I test drove would have cost me around $5000 more than what I paid for my Santa Fe, I came close to buying it. I really like the V8 (my other car is a 2005 Corvette - what can I say?) as well as the "macho factor" of the Jeep. In the end, though, the Santa Fe won out because it's more spacious (especially in the back seat and cargo areas), has a nicer interior (than a $40,000 Jeep!), and...get ready for's more fun to drive. For me there was no denying it. Add to that the great Hyundai warranty and owner reviews compared to the Jeep's lousy warranty (3/36,000) and lukewarm reviews and the decision becomes even easier.

    I could tell similar stores about the Santa Fe's other competitors but you get the idea. While it's not perfect, it's very good. My list of niggles is short:

    Navigation is not available. This alone came close to being a deal breaker for me. It's rumored that Hyundai will be offering a factory nav unit on the 2008 model. If true, I'm hoping that I can buy the unit through my dealer's parts department and have it installed in my 2007; if that doesn't happen I may consider an aftermarket in-dash unit although I'm very hesitant to disrupt the stunning appearance of the dash is it currently is.

    Xenon headlights are not available. I've had them on my last 3 vehicles as well as on my current Corvette and they're fantastic.

    While the blue interior lighting is fantastic (it's very cool!), it's a little annoying that the switches for the moonroof, HomeLink, and outside mirrors aren't backlit. The good news is that everything else is nicely lit, including the front cupholders and the steering wheel buttons for the audio system and cruise control.

    I have just the base audio system. While it has XM and can play MP3 discs (both EXCELLENT features), sound quality is just "OK". The only way to get the upgraded Infinity system in the Limited is to get the Ultimate Package (moonroof, rear DVD entertainment system, 605-watt Infinity system, power front passenger seat, 115V power outlet). Since we have no kids and our back seat will rarely be occupied, we opted out of that and went with just the Premium Package (moonroof). I'm going out later today to look at and listen to speaker upgrades; that ought to solve the "problem".

    No auxiliary jack to connect MP3 player.

    Carpeted floor mats are optional? C'mon, Hyundai - stop being so cheap!

    The instruments look kind of goofy IMO. Maybe it's just the font but they look like they could have come out of an old Rambler!

    I'd like to see turn signal repeaters on the side mirrors or front fenders.

    The rear bumper-mounted lights don't do anything. On Santa Fes produced for other markets they serve as rear fog lamps - why not here?

    While the material used on the top of the dash and the tops of the doors looks good, it's hard plastic with no cushion to it. A little cushioning in the material would provide a higher-quality feel.

    That's pretty much it. The Santa Fe is so beautifully-designed and well-executed that it's tough to find many flaws. When I first looked at it I couldn't believe all of the features I saw on the Limited that I test drove:

    5-speed auto with Tiptronic
    Auto-dimming inside mirror with electronic compass
    Electronic Stability Control
    Traction control
    Illuminated cup holders!
    XM radio and MP3 disc playback
    Driver's seat power lumbar adjustment
    Completely flat rear compartment storage, even when rear seats are down
    Huge underfloor storage (5-passenger models)
    Smooth, quiet, powerful V6 (3.3 liter)
    Dual exhaust outlets - looks very cool!
    Reclining rear seats!
    18" wheels
    Heated seats
    Dual zone automatic climate control
    Front fog lights
    Plenty of interior storage (including a useful compartment on top of the dash)

    You get the idea. I point these things out because some of them are easily missed during a short test drive. Bottom line: The Santa Fe is great! I highly recommend it. Good luck.
  • philmophilmo Posts: 77
    My perception of Hyundai is that they're really working hard to come up in the automotive food chain, and that their efforts are being noticed by the automotive press -- and customers.

    As I've posted in the past, if I had to buy a new SUV today to replace my 98 Grand Cherokee -- which needed $700 worth of rear-end work this week, so that time may be coming sooner than later -- that I'd get the Santa Fe. Now that the Veracruz is on the lots I'd look at that as well. Fortunately for me, just down the street are the Subaru folks where the formerly hideous Tribeca has had a nose job and may also be a candidate.

    My hard-chargin', low-rangin' Jeep days may be over but I still need to have a wide lift gate for a pontoon boat frame. The barn door on the Rav4 is a deal-breaker. The Santa Fe lift gate is at least 45 inches wide on a slight diagonal. Something you don't worry about when youre shopping for a car but makes life difficult when you're trying to get that big box home from Best Buy or Costco.
  • lv2drvlv2drv Posts: 132
    mzupach-I liked your post. It was very thorough and you brought up things I had forgotten about-and even some that aren't important to me; like the nav and audio. The one thing that struck me was the lack of xenon headlights. I would really liked to have had those but it wasn't a deal breaker. Do you think there will be aftermarket xenon headlight bulbs? I don't think I would like to replace the whole assembly, but if someone made bulbs, I'd be quick to buy them.
  • It would be impossible for anyone to make a drop-in xenon 'bulb'. The thing to worry about with HID headlamps is how to get the high-voltage power to them. You could probably make a power supply that would work with the existing electrical system to power the HID lights, but I wouldn't want to be the one responsible for putting a warranty on the thing. Unless the power supply is integrated into the vehicle electronics from the beginning (or adaptability is designed in), adding xenon headlamps is asking for trouble.
  • pongspongs Posts: 14
    Here's a link for an aftermarket HID headlamps.

    This might work.
  • chelentanochelentano Posts: 634
    I agree, Santa Fe is a better choice over RAV4, but SF is little short on features, if you'd compare it to Outlander. You've mentioned the Outlander... Not only the Outlander has both LED and Xenon lights, but Xenons also available in multiple colors. Add to it 6-speed auto w/paddle shifters, MP3 music server, Navigation, FAST-key, keyless ignition, iPod jack, bluethooth, split liftgate (none of these available on SF). You can check out its standing against RAV on this page
  • mpuzachmpuzach Posts: 635
    Admittedly, the Outlander is available with features that are not available on the Santa Fe. Xenons and navigation are especially attractive. While it's obviously a personal preference, I don't care for the Outlander's styling (in or out) though I'm sure a lot of people do. All factors considered, I'm pleased with my choice of Santa Fe Limited AWD.
  • chelentanochelentano Posts: 634
    >> All factors considered, I'm pleased with my choice of Santa Fe Limited AWD.

    The SF is an excellent SUV. Interior is especially nice. May I ask, how much did pay for it?
  • mpuzachmpuzach Posts: 635
    M.S.R.P. on my Limited AWD with XM, Premium Package, carpeted mats, and first aid kit was $29,880. Invoice was $28,052 which is what I paid, LESS the $1000 rebate. At the time I thought I got a great deal but I now know that I did not; others here have paid from $1000 - $2000 BELOW invoice, LESS rebate. I try not to look back; regardless, I'm very happy with the car and my dealer treats me like royalty. All in all, not too bad.
  • I stand corrected- sort of. If what that site is saying is true, then my standing assumption that 'xenon' and 'HID' were the same thing is false. (You may note the xenon bulbs are $16 a piece, while the HID conversion package is $270.)

    I still stand by my previous assertion that unless this conversion package is made (or at least endorsed) by Hyundai, I'd steer clear.
  • lv2drvlv2drv Posts: 132
    leeharvey418 & pongs - thank you for your replies. I also thought xenon and HID were the same. I will run this by my husband. By the way, he thinks they are too bright to oncoming traffic. But as I grow older my depth perception is getting worse, and I would prefer something brighter.
  • cbmortoncbmorton Posts: 252
    See this site for some details on the difference between true xenon HID lighting and xenon-filled halogen bulbs.
  • Thanks. That's what I was thinking before- true xenon lighting is different than what someone chooses to call a 'xenon' bulb. Putting HID lights in a vehicle requires that you add something akin to a welding power supply to the vehicle's electrical system. They call it a ballast on that site, but basically it's a power supply that's capable of generating a transient 20 kV charge to set the arc, then a square wave alternating current (just like a MIG welder).

    In any case, read all the way down to the bottom- any HID lighting that is not OEM (i.e., factory installed) is not street legal. Unless you think that laws are just for other people, aftermarket HID conversion isn't an option.
  • lv2drvlv2drv Posts: 132
    That's too bad :( . Perhaps when I trade or sell the SF in seven or eight years, all vehicles will have HID. Thanks for all the info y'all have given.
  • bmw335xibmw335xi Posts: 11
    When the CX-7 fist came out I really liked it. Then the Edge came out. I was confused because they are so simaliar but so different. The CX-7 is a four the edge is a six clyinder. But they both have there highs and lows. The CX-7 is lighter and faster but runs on preimium which with the gas prices hurts. The Edge is more powerful runs on regular but is somewhat fat. They both look good inside and out but I love the vista roof. But it all comes down to price. The CX-7 is cheaper but will the gas keep it down. The Edge is more expencive but has some good features. So what to choice?
  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    CX-7 and Edge are very much different. Edge (five-seater) is actually related to CX-9 (seven seater), among other Ford/Mazda products. I'd agree, both are good CUVs but Edge is pricey considering the competition, and heavy; while the CX-7's tubro 4 runs on premium - a big factor to consider nowadays.

    My suggestion is to test drive both. Also, have you considered any others in the class?
  • philmophilmo Posts: 77
    The just-released issue of Consumer Reports includes a look at the Ford Edge. Also included are the Saturn Outlook, Hyundai Veracruz, Chrysler Pacifica and Mazda CX-9. It seems clear that to them the Edge is in a class of larger SUV's than the CX-7 and the Santa Fe which were reviewed earlier this year.
  • bmw335xibmw335xi Posts: 11
    My best friend just bought a Santa Fe and they love it. I've been in it a couple times and it is really nice. I have all so been seeing more and more of them on the road!
    I all so like the outlander. I have been it them a few times and they are pretty nice. I will have a lot of test driving to now!! :D
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