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Toyota Yaris v. Toyota Corolla
Compare the Yaris to the Corolla
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I couldn't believe how similar to the Corolla it was. Similar price, similar size, similar fuel economy, similar looks.
I don't understand what the big differentiating factors are. I also think Toyota might cannibalize its own Corolla sales with the Yaris - whereas I doubt the old Echo took away sales from the Corolla.
I think its all about expiermenting with what certain folks want to buy. So they're trying different designs. Since honda will be having a hybrid fit coming out is a year or two I'd have to guess toyota will also go hybrid with one of thier lesser priced economy cars.
Seems the japense are expecting gas prices to go up condsidering their all coming out with good fuel economy cars.
basically I'm guessing the auto manufacturers possibly expect the suv people to dive into good fuel economy vehicles pretty soon.
Whats really going to be interesting is if gas goes over 3.00 dollars a gallon how people will then buy vehicles.
I suppose the slight price premium accounts for the bigger engine and the "more car" you get for the Corolla.
It will be interesting to see how Yaris sales do vs. the Corolla!
This will never happen.
The Yaris is simply there as insulation and a buffer for entry level/bargain shoppers. It serves three purposes:
1) The USED Car market is twice the size of the New Car market. New car manufacturers get zero from these buyers. For those who desire to spend only $11-15K for a vehicle there is an attractive Toyota option now;
2) The Corolla doesn't have to fill this entry level slot anymore so the it can remain in the $15-21K range, be profitable and support the Camry line;
3) It holds the fort against the Korean assault on entry level buyers. As Toyota and Honda learned 30 yrs ago grabbing buyers when they first begin to buy vehicles keeps them in the family for life in many cases.
The timing with fuel prices going as they are is propitious as well.
I actually *LIKE* the Yaris S Sedan aesthetic. Sharp.
But the weird "center pod" dash just annoys the heck out of me. I tested an Echo and found the experience odd; drove an Ion for a time (loaner) and found the pod equally odd.
I've been working on my research for a car next year, and this news feature (link below) leans me towards Yaris S sedan.
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=1908977
The only thing I wonder at this point is, "Can I get used to the weird dash lay-out?"
Plus, consider that in the Yaris, the speedo is HUGE if you get the model with the Optitron gauge without the tach. It is like twice the size of the big center speedo in the Mini.
BTW, I watched the ABC news clip you linked to - I have a feeling that these folks that are predicting a $3/gallon FLOOR, rather than ceiling, for gas prices are right on the money. Right now I am paying $3.15/gallon, and that is before the big ramp-up in prices for the summer driving season. I can't see it coming back below $3/gallon here in California after Labor Day. Buy your gas-saver now rather than later.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
well, i think that you can get used to looking there for your information. however, many of us think it just looks ugly in that spot. i drove an echo a couple years ago as a rental on vacation...2 1/2 weeks later, the center pod still looked ugly to me. yes, i was used to looking there for my info..but that didnt change the fact that it looked ugly to me....having said all that, it would not stop me from buying if i loved all other aspects of any given car.
on to the fit. my dealer buddy at evil honda dealership called, said he had 3 manual fits on the lot. so, i went to test drive out of curiosity more than anything. let me preface my following comments with this: i am a toyota guy all the way. i love my corolla. ive never cared for honda.
however, the fit was much more than i expected. it looked very cool, much more so than in the pictures. even the non "s" model looked cool enough that it would need no mods(for me, anyway). the interior seemed luxurious compared to the yaris, nice dark material. fabrics on the doors felt nice. i just didnt feel like i was in a subcompact car. even the shift knob and boot looked fairly upscale. the seat configurations are far more versatile than in the yaris. in fact, on the basic yaris, toyota really did nothing to make the hatch seats versatile. on the road, i couldnt push it hard through turns (due to traffic considerations), but on acceleration and at 60 mph, its quiet, moreso than yaris, and the engine didnt sound like it was working as hard.
price of a fit manual is $14400 w/ destination. but, as many of you know, the fit is well appointed as is.
the yaris hb, without being too loaded, will be cheaper. it will likely get the better mileage as well. unfortunately, AND I HATE TO SAY THIS, in every other aspect i think the fit is better, noticeably so.
of course, if you prefer the looks of the yaris over the fit, then thats a point for the fit.
Actually, both the reviewers here (Edmunds) and Motor trend disagree with you - as do I: that week with the damn Ion drove me insane. I wanted to celebrate the return of my Sonata from the bodyshop (hail damage) by setting the Ion ablaze on top of a hill.
Insurance would not cover that, though.
You had better believe it: if you compare oil futures and current consumption globally, rather than just looking at the USA numbers, the shortage is already pretty serious - the prices here in the USA are not remotely reflecting the overall picture. That said, the prices are currently scrambling to do just that.
As for buying the gas-saver now vs. later, financed a new roof and remodel job using an equity loan ARM at variable rate. Given spiraling petroleum costs also mean inflation (and thus interest rate) creep, I have to knock that ARM down first doing double-payments.
THEN, the gas-saver.
The only other option is going to Mexico and paying a sketchy surgeon to sell a kidney and a lobe of my liver - and I am *NOT* hip to that game!
You should go see one in person. I have seen lots of cars that seem ugly in pictures, but in person are nice looking.
I've tested the liftback and sedan Yaris models, and feel strongly that the latter Yaris has a smoother ride than the '06 Corolla, in that the bumps are absorbed better. I will concede that on a well-paved road the Corolla wins. But overall the Yaris sedan provides a more consistent driving experience since I'm not being jarred as severely on rougher sections of the road. I'll be testing the liftback again soon as my first impression found the ride as unpleasant as the Corolla's.
BTW when I tested the Scion xA for a second time, the ride felt as jarring as the Corolla. Yuck.
Other than that she loves the car and is getting 30+ miles per gallon all city driving.
1) The car must not be big. So small or compact size is good for me.
2) Must be 4 door.
3) Auto gear.
4) Good mileage.
The cars I liked -
1) Honda Civic Sedan LX 2006 Model - I like the dashboard and the look. But seems a little costly.
2) Toyota Corolla 2006 - Seems really good option for me.
3) Chevrollete Cobalt - I like its size and shape very much.
4) Toyota Yaris 2007 - I like this car though didn't go for a test drive yet. I want to know its difference and similaririty with Cobalt on size and shape. Its new and less expensive than others.
Comments please.
-- Ashik Uzzaman
Software Development Engineer
Philips Medical Systems
Milpitas, CA, USA
Hope your wife fully adjusts eventually. Eight months on and I still haven't.
Corolla and probably Cobalt will be updated in the next year or two, making your new car an "old car" sooner. Yaris and Civic are brand new models, so your car will seem new longer.
The Yaris sedan has the cheapest interior of any of these models - the most hard plastics. You will also pay less for it (depending on equipment) than any of the others.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
i want to fit a cd/mp3 to my 97 corolla and don't want to spend heaps - any recommendations??
cheers,
ash
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
http://www.teslamotors.com/index.php?js_enabled=1
While I remember being impressed with the Corolla 5 years ago when the redesign hit, even THEN it seemed a little vanilla.
I think the appeal of the Yaris is it's uniqueness. Sure, the Corolla is a little quieter and has a slightly larger engine (woohoo 20HP!?!?), but it is OLD NEWS. It is most definitely a nice car, but still...
When the NEW Corolla hits as an 08 model, I truly believe we will see a marked difference between the two.
Until then, you can either:
1) Buy a lame-duck (albeit nice) car, knowing full well a complete redesign looms that will leave you with the "old" bodystyle. Spend a bit more money for a bit more refinement (it isn't as much as people think it is), and have a car that blends in EVERYWHERE it goes (not necessarily a bad thing...).
2) Buy a car that's edgy, less expensive (even if it's not by much), performs FINE (hey, it's no Ferrari, but I did manage 85-90 mph on a long uphill stretch of highway, A/C on, with NO problem whatsoever... so get over it :P ), and DOESN'T look like something your 75 year old grandma would take to Bingo. Not to mention it won't be redesigned for quite a while (remember the Fit will be redesigned sooner too).
All in all, I could have gotten a CE Corolla for close to the same $$$, but went with the Yaris. It was a no-brainer for me, and I love people asking me about my car, rather than assuming I'm borrowing it from grandma.
I don't mean to offend the Corolla segment... but COME ON, you all know it
T
PS, the center IP serves one purpose and one purpose ONLY imho... It makes the car simple and cheap to manufacture in either left hand drive or right hand drive configurations. That's right folks, Toyota did something slightly unusual in their non-flagship car to SAVE them money lol... for shame! It's not like we live in a capitalist society (insert sarcasm here). I don't love it, but I don't stay up at night whining about it either
Corolla has 10% more power and weighs 10% more. I would say that's a wash. These cars are both slightly under 9 seconds 0-60 with a stick.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Another point that might not be quite as good is the lack of a true liftback Corolla (I don't count the Matrix btw, despite Toyota originally marketing it as the Corolla Matrix, it was purely for name recognition (I was at the Matrix U.S. Lauch hehe)).
Again, the Corolla is a very nice car, but everyone likes newer and shinier things methinks...
I do :P
so i wouldnt call that a wash. anyway, i doubt anyone is getting these cars for thrills. still, for as small as the yaris hb is, it gives a pretty good ride.
1) The 08 Corolla won't be released until most likely LATE 07 as an 08 model. I have a few 2007's on the ground already, so it's possible they'll hit by summer of 07, but I doubt it.
The Yaris L/B is (somewhat
2) The 08 Corolla will be a hot commodity even if it does hit early. Just like most customers are fast to buy our cold product for invoice, we are fast to mark up the hot ones for over MSRP (and yes, even Camry's, Civic's, and Corolla's are fair game if the demand is there... and it will be for a while at least). It's how supply and demand works, and expect it to drive the price of even a "base" 08 Corolla to well over $5000.00 more than a "base" Yaris.
So basically, I think the price comparo between the two to be moot for at LEAST another year and a half to two years. I may rather a 08/09 Corolla by then myself too, but who knows...
T
The new Camry sold at sticker (and more, I guess) for about four months before the "$XXXX below sticker!" ads started. The new Corolla might get a bit longer than that because it will (hopefully) continue to be one of the most fuel-efficient cars available anywhere short of hybrids and diesels, but I don't think it will be ALL that long. Figure by January February 2008 it will be selling at discounts. But by then they will be discounting the Yaris too, and the two will be spaced farther apart in MSRP.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
That depends. I've never had an instance where something I was carrying was too big for my Corolla, but could fit in a Yaris just because of it's hatch configuration. Now the Matrix, that's a different story. There are numerous real world items I deal with on occasion that would fit in a Matrix, but not fit in either a Corolla or a Yaris hatch.
I really think the utility of the Yaris is somewhat overstated. IMO - It really can't fit anything in it that most people need even somewhat regularly that couldn't fit into a Corolla.
Dogs. Two good-sized dogs will fit in the back of a Yaris hatch with the seat folded down.
It would be cruel to put my dogs in the trunk of a Corolla or any car.
And yes, the Matrix has space for dogs, but that car costs too much.
If you want the hatch, there's no contest. But if you want the sedan, Yaris is going to be a hard sell strictly on the numbers until the redesigned Corolla arrives in 15 months.
There is still the fact that Corolla is around every corner, while the Yaris is relatively unique, not to mention the Yaris has handling that is more spry than the Corolla's. Plus, there's the 2-point advantage in mpg for the Yaris.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
It works for me.
It would be cruel to put my dogs in the trunk of a Corolla or any car.
Huh? Without knowing it, you just made an argument for the Corolla and against the Yaris. The back seat of the Corolla is fine for two dogs, while you maintain the use of the trunk for groceries or anything else you may not want the dogs to get into. If you are folding down the Yaris hatch seats, then you are losing the use of those back seats and you are risking your groceries to the dogs.
No, better to have them in the rear compartment of a hatchback with a flat, durable surface. Containment would be much better in a hatchback. And one egress option (i.e., in/out through the hatch) is probably also better than having two (the rear doors of a sedan), considering that the dogs will bolt and run if they see the chance.
And both cars have essentially the same number of egress options: the number of doors you choose to have opened at the same time. As a matter of fact, I find it less likely for my dog to be able to bolt out of one of the side doors of my Corolla than the hatch of my Highlander. With the hatch, I have to lower myself to the ground and open it very slowly to keep him from bolting out before I can grab his leash. With the side door, I can reach his neck area right away upon opening the door.
It's always a possibility for a dog to bolt and run out of a sedan if someone else (like one of the kids) inadvertently opens one of the rear doors. That is what I'm trying to avoid.
You prefer the Corolla, fine. But I don't see it as a viable option for me.