Hyundai Azera vs. Toyota Camry
Looking to buy wife a new car and it has come down to the Azera and the 07 Camry. We have driven both a couple of different times. Since you guys are Azera drivers why should I buy one over a Camry?
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Bad real world gas mileage.
Inability to change radio stations from the steering
Wheel
No Satellite Radio
Poor trade in value
I drive 60,000 plus miles a year; & while "Minor" these points do make a difference when you spend this much time in the car. Hyundai makes a good car & is gaining on the rest of the world; but It's going to take them another model chance or so to catch up to Toyota & Honda.
Radio requirements are minor, as you say, to some but major to others---all personal preference.
What I don't understand is your concern about trade-in value on a car that has no track record (Azera) vs a car with a great record. Maybe the Azera will be a winner or maybe a loser. I don't think it's realistic to compare the Azera to the XG 350. But, anyway, with driving 60K per year, you've got to get clobbered for high milage at trade-in time, whether the car is 1, 2 or 3 years old.
Not to try to give you a rough time, but for my own curiousity, what did you pay for your Camry and what do you expect it to be worth in trade in two years or whenever you expect to trade it?
Good luck with your new Camry.
I was looking for another car and found a Hyundai Azera. I never thought I'm going to buy a "Hyundai" for my next car because of the name brand. But when I took a look Azera in and out, I'm so impressed by it's finish quality. All the touches that I saw on past Toyota is now on this car, Azera. Car seat materials, ceiling fabrics, spacious interior, and every meticulous switches/buttons are very satisfactory. I took a test drive and it was so quiet and powerful. I purchased Azera SE on Sunday night and I'm very happy with my decision. If Toyota made Azera and Hyundai made Camry, I would say Azera should be at least twice more expensive than Camry. Everything is changing. We will see it...
Yes, when I trade in 2-3 years I will take a hit for high mileage; It's a cost of doing business for me. As for trade in value, don't have a clue what it will be worth at trade time. The Azera us an unknown, the Camry brand has an excellent track record. While I don't know what it will be worth but I expect it to be considerably more than the Azera
Mileage? most Hyundai boards & blogs indicate the cars aren't great on mileage. The camry engine has fewer cubic inches, weighs less and, with the 6 speed transmission, it loafs on the highway where I spend most of my time. the EPA rating, for what It's worth also rates it 4 mpg better; so, yes, I do expect better mileage from the Camry than the Azera.
One clarification: I meant to say that I didn't think the future resale value of an Azera 2 or 3 years from now could be projected based on the present resale value of a 2 or 3 year old XG350.
If real world MPG is 4 mpg different, that's significant at your 60K per year!
I considered the Azera, but it was not out yet and the styling is reminiscent of a Buick. However, Hyundais have great value and warrantee coverage for the price.
Azera Limited with Ultimate
- have quote of $26,000 plus tax & license
- great warranty
- lots of car for the money
Camry XLE
- have quote of $27,884 plus tax & license
- 6 speed automatic
- better mileage
- navigation system
- cheaper to insure (I checked with AAA)
- probably better resale
If you are concerned about resale value, fuel economy and long-term reliability then the XLE is probably a better choice. Yet still, if prestige is a lingering concern then you should move up the food chain to the Avalon LTD, albeit at a $3K premium.
- have quote of $27,884 plus tax & license
- 6 speed automatic
- better mileage
- navigation system
- cheaper to insure (I checked with AAA)
- probably better resale"
Unless you need the Azera's extra interior room, your analysis has already determined your choice. Four+ years into the NAV system revolution, Hyundai has yet to offer them in North America, though Hyundai does offer them in other world markets. (Shows how we rate with Hyundai's product planners...) The new Camry is Toyota's roomiest yet - and slightly roomier in most interior dimensions than the Lexus ES350 built on the same platform. I own a 3 1/2 yr old Sonata with V6 & leather with just under 20,500 miles clocked. Kelly says it's worth about $8,000.00 in spotless condition as a trade-in, slightly more as a private sale (moderated under the assumption you can find a willing buyer with cash...). Hyundai is still suffering (unfairly according to some) from past reliability issues. Unfair or not, no car is worth more at trade-in time than someone else is willing to pay for it as a repurchase. Dealers protect themselves accordingly in the negotiating process. Finally anyone who'd encourage the choice of an Azera on the basis of Toyota's firm ride characteristics must have very sensitive buns. The Camry has always been regarded by the automotive press as a boulevard ride. The SE comes closest to sport pretensions in the Camry lineup.
Having owned Toyota's for quite awhile (even had the one and only model of Camry that was diesel--I loved that car, but could not find many people who could work on one and the parts were really hard to find) it will be difficult to steer my wife in another direction.
The Azera looks like a great car as long as the extended warranty is purchased since the long term reliability is still a BIG question mark.
Hope your decision goes smoothly.
Brad
The Tuscon has a little less cargo room than the Santa Fe and retails for $850 less, thus reducing demand for Santa Fe.
20,000 miles is high milage for a one year old vehicle.
But what about the Azera or Camry? If I were in the market now, I'd take a good look at the Azera. I rode in one once and it seemed like a great car. Quiet, good handling, nice ride and plenty of power. Loads of features.
And power folding side mirrors are fun.
*Enough problems that Hyundai stopped permitting dealership service personnel from undertaking "deep repairs" under warranty of Hyundai automatic transaxles on-site in a TSB over two years ago. All failed automatic transaxles are to be shipped back to a Hyundai transaxle rebuild center in Illinois in the replacement transaxle's shipping container, with fluid (apparently Hyundai checks for chemical tracers to verify that only the required SP-III ATF fluid has been used for service fill), for tear-down, inspection, and rebuild, now.
I have had two V6 Camry LE's and was ready to trade. Drove the Azera and was very impressed. The options and luxury was great. The the "experts" do not agree, I see this car placed between the higher end Camry and Avalon. Anyway. took it overnight then went in to do a deal. They honored the lease deal ($2,800 factory help, great money factor, 52% residual at 27 months). Then got a real nice trade value to use as more down payment. While with finance guy, the monthly payment moved by $64. After 45 min, figured out they forgot $600 fee and used 10k miles vs 12k. I walked. By the way, I never lease but did so only to lock in residual in case Hyundai was not all it was cracked up to be.
Went to Camry dealer... long story, many test drives later ready to get 4cyl XLE. No acceptable color within 500 miles. Talked and found V6 XLE with extra options, bought for maybe $1500 off MSRP (trade makes it fuzzy). 150 miles later and love the car.
Azera is a luxury car. Camry is not, but rides tighter and feels really nice.
While I still want to go with Azera, my wife prefer Camry.
We gonna buy either Azera or Camry in a few weeks.
Let me some reason to buy Azera rather than Camry to persuade my wife.
Looking to spend about the same $$:
1. We could only buy a Camry LE with a 4 cylinder engine, and I believe the Traction Control and ABS were an option. The side air bags were also an upgrade ( I think). Bottom line, got a whole lot more content with Azera for same dollars.
2, Toyota dealer would not budge on price, Azera had rebate that helped.
3. Got a much better sound system and Leather interior in the Azera Limited, vs. the LE.
4. Longer warranty
5. The Azera is less common, you don't see them all the time like the Camry
6. The Azera has more "style" to my eye.
7. JD Power says the Azera has best initial quality for Large sedan new vehicle.
8. Camry has had some component reliability issues in the latest model.
9. If the Azera works out like I think it will, it will be desirable and will hold its value over time, though Toyota does have the edge here.
10. Tell your wife that you really are getting a car like the Avalon, for the price of a Camry.
11. Check out the Consumer Reports comparison. In large cars, the Azera is ranked right under the Avalon. Won't be "recommended" until there is a track record.
Good luck, the Azera has proven very enjoyable so far.
I still am convinced that the Azera had greater content for the dollar I spent than I could get in a Camry. Time will see if the resale value plummets or holds its own.
Although I have not driven the new Camry, I think I would buy that instead of the Avalon. I just like the size and looks better. Maybe the hybred.
Jerry
Here is my experience, it has nothing to do w/ Azera v. Camry but I think it’s worth to mention.
In late 2004, I bought a GMC Envoy cuz the dealer offered 10K off plus I had about 4K in my GM card. So, I think it was a nice deal 37K MSRP – 10K – 4K = 23K +TTL. Based on KBB trade in value for the same car but 2 years older was around 18-19K.
After a couple months and 2k miles, I don’t like the car so I tried to trade in. I went to at least 5 dealers and none of them offered me more than 19K (KBB trade in was like 22K). So, if I don’t have the 4K reward on my GM card, I would lose 8K on a 3 months olds car.
Finally, I got a dealer that gave me 21K cuz he known a person who wanted to purchase the car. I’m glad I dump the car cuz even I keep until today, I will lose at least another 10K (for 2 years) base on KKB number. :sick:
Even w/ 3-4 years, you still lose more money.
In the same year, I traded in a '03 Altima (a little over 2 years old w/ 20K miles) for a new '05 Altima w/ same options...paid only $3800 + TTL. Now, you know what I mean.
A three year trade in for a Hyundai Azera would probably be a killer. Only time will tell.