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Consequences of a new Pony Car war



  • john_324john_324 Posts: 974
    In my mind, there's a sort of triangle with points of "muscle car", "pony car" and "sports car".

    It's easy to fit cars under those designations...the tricky part is locating the cars that occupy points on the lines between any two points.

    On the Mustang's rear seat issue, love the reason why they added research of college-aged kids indicated that they wanted bucket seats in the front for a sporty feel while driving, but a rear bench to facilitate, er, other activities while parked. ;)
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    The Celica was very popular. People bought some of the original Celicas, drove them a couple years and got their money back, or better. Recall the inflation years, when a Celica kept on moving up in price. Known for reliability and fun little cars to drive, they were popular. Honda had the Prelude, which was more high tech and eventually got a bit pricey. The Datsun Z " Fairlady " and Mazda 7 rotary were great hits. Both were true sports cars though, and not really a pony car.
  • jkr2106jkr2106 Posts: 231
    And as you know, many times the lines get blurred, especially between the pony and muscle cars - a little pet-peeve of mine.

    Okay, so I feel really stupid for asking this, but what exactly is the difference?
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    Pony car is a sporty car, with long hood, short rear deck, not nessarily high powered or able to hold corners like true sports car. Generally it is economical, as in a sporty car for the masses. They look fast, handle decently, but are not for racing unless modified for such. A Pony car usually has an i4 or 6 cylinder as the stock engine, with V8 as an optional in the case of American true ponies.

    Muscle car is usually a large displacement engine pushing a heavy mass, or a small block high powered in a smaller car. Original I believe was the Super 88 Olds mobile, which for its time weighed a little less, yet had more HP. They won many a race of NASCAR days-gone-bye. Ah, the days of real stock cars. The real NASCAR.

    P.S. radio and other un-nessarary items are optional on a muscle car :P
  • john_324john_324 Posts: 974
    To be fair, there were factory pony cars for racing...Boss 302s, Challenger T/As, Barracuda AARs, etc.

    I would have loved to have been old enough to enjoy the heyday of the Trans-Am series...sigh. :(
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 18,883
    I would have loved to have been old enough to enjoy the heyday of the Trans-Am series...sigh.

    The old TransAm was everything NASCAR should be and isn't. If you haven't seen Mark Donohue pounding Bridgemampton in the rain or Parnelli Jones dicing with Dan Gurney at Mont Tremblant or Lime Rock you have missed some great racing. ;)

    2000 BMW 528i, 2001 BMW 330CiC

  • john_324john_324 Posts: 974
    Well that makes me feel better... ;)

    I was a little kid at the time, and had a father who was more interested in European sportscars than American pony cars. Though on the plus side, I have some great pics of me in his Jaguar 120 coupe. :blush:

    I catch the current iteration of Trans-Am (I like Boris Said) when I can, but it's hard to get too excited about cars that can change from a Mustang to a Jaguar simply by switching the body shell...
  • rockyleerockylee Wyoming, MichiganPosts: 13,993 /AUTO01

    Now this is a pony car, well sort of. More like a Italian Stallion. :P

  • bumpybumpy Posts: 4,435
    A centrifugal charger on a domestic V8? :confuse:

    Twin-screw is the only way to go on a low-revving large-displacement engine, and it also needs some bigger pipes. 2.5" just isn't enough for a forced-induction 4.6L. The money blown on the hood could have gone for a nice flywheel.
  • rockyleerockylee Wyoming, MichiganPosts: 13,993
    LOL..... :)

  • john_324john_324 Posts: 974
    To be fair, a twin-screw would have eaten up most of their budget...and they'd probably have had to beef up the suspension even more to handle the prodigious off-the-line grunt they provide (compared to the higher rpm kick of a centrifugal).

    Agree on the pointlessness of swaping the hood though. But 'cause I'm old school, I dig the hood pins...not ridiculous at all as they claim... :blush:

    Looking forward to the testing...
  • Hii, I have a 1984 S/E Firebird v8 305 and recently I had problems with it, I was on my way home from class, and suddenly I was shooting RPMs out the roof, for no reason and my car wasn't accelerating. I was doing a maximum of twenty, as I couldn't accelerate any faster and my RPM's were so high that it seemed like I should be doing 90MPH, so i slowly drove the backstreets, (5mph, lol) all the way home, and it's been sitting there out of commission ever since. It does this with all of the gears except reverse. Reverse works perfectly fine. Up until this I've never had a problem with this car, I've had it for 5 years, and I bought it off a little ol' lady who had it serviced religiously, I check the fluids everytime I get ready to take off, and take very good care of the car.

    Also, for my nephew whom is taking the Driving test in a few days, what exactly is the "Auxiliary Equipment" on a car?
  • i have an black 88 firebird, both the interior and the body are in great condition. Its all black and it has 62,000 on it. i love the lambo doors but im not sure if they would be out of place. im thinking of putting a neon light or some kind on the bottom of the door and re doing the interior with MOMO. then putting neon lights right below my wipers so it will project onto my hood and illuminate my white firebird hood decal ( the decal is large im sure you've seen it before). i would appreciate your advice.
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 18,883
    Apparently you can't make a late Firebird too garish, I say go 4 it. Don't forget the neon license plate surrounds

    BTW, they're called scissors doors.

    2000 BMW 528i, 2001 BMW 330CiC

  • thanks
    ... anyone else have an opinion
  • fezofezo Manahawkin, NJPosts: 10,333
    "Apparently you can't make a late Firebird too garish, I say go 4 it. Don't forget the neon license plate surrounds"

    I guess that's what they mean by consequences....
    2013 Mazda 5 Grand Touring, 2010 Toyota Prius IV. 2007 Toyota Camry XLE, 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999 Mazda Miata
  • hmmm... im not sure what you are trying to say
  • frumundafrumunda Posts: 15
    Look. The reality of the situation is this; the BIG THREE are in their financial death throes due to their need to have everything done cheap. In turn, they have had to expand their manufacturing (read; farm out), to countries that don't have a union and a wage and hour division breathing down their neck making them accountable.

    Instead of doing the smart thing and shutting down those factories overseas, thereby moving that money here, they would rather stop paying people here. What does that do? It takes the money made by those workers that could be funneled back into our economy and makes it evaporate.

    So ....when sales drop because the public has no expendable income, the snake ends up eating its tail.

    In desperation, the BIG THREE are trying to revive the golden era of the automobile. Unfortunately, Dodge royally missed the mark with the Charger. Four doors and a grill reminiscent of the 50s 300? Are you kidding? The Charger was a two-seater, with distinct bodylines and characteristics. Missed the point completely. Ford got it right with the most recent incarnation of the Mustang, but missed the bus when they dropped the Bronco. The Explorer had so many transmission troubles (bad case on the AOD and A4LD) that the moniker got a bad rap before they could salvage the sales. Chevrolet can't seem to KEEP a model. They're renamed the same platform so many times I'm afraid all of their vehicles have schizophrenia. A front-wheel-drive Monte Carlo and Malibu? Have you completely lost touch with what the history of these cars are and what memories they recall to your brand-loyal customers?

    This is my point. When you're bleeding from an amputation, you don't get a tiny band-aid. You stop doing the easy thing and fix whats wrong the right way.

    Pony car wars ain't it.
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