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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 19,825
    edited January 30
    I have absolutely no data on this. It would seem that drivers in winter, in laziness, cut down their fields of vision. When combined with normal, no signal, no look, bad field of vision anyway, no care, etc., it can lead to deadly to injurious situations.

    Your first vehicle merging link is almost EXACTLY like my CHP encounter. It was on 2 lanes each way interstate, high desert, see forever conditions, etc.. He finally woke up as his vehicles left rear quarter panel almost crashed into my right front side.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 47,924
    Slight chance of snow now in the forecast for early next week (probably ending up as a crying wolf situation), maybe I can get a good cam clip too.

    That Jeep is mindboggling - I think vehicle type often influences behavior.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 19,825
    edited January 30
    #2 para.

    Yes, It can be found in the FARS, insurance https://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/t/vehicle-size-and-weight/fatalityfacts/passenger-vehicles web sites, which was recently posted. The last I perused, compact to midsized sedans had that (your) distinction. It can be seen as significant because sedan population is around 25% - of the passenger vehicle.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 47,924
    Fatality rates might not be linked to driver behavior, unless both cars in the incident are noted, along with who was at fault.

  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 19,825
    edited January 30
    I noted THAT particular statistical concept issue in a post about speed. Corrected for that (current) variable is very easy. So the real point is being misdirected. BUT, despite the migration to bigger vehicles, those HIGH (CAR) SEDAN accident/fatality %’s categories REMAIN baked into the fatality & injury cake, despite being 25% minus in the PVF.

    Again, the underlying environmental hypothesis was that smaller cars crashing in the smaller cars would be safer. Reality sux eh? In Washington DC. one can see all the environmentalist’s getting around town in small car Cadillac Escalades or the small compact Chevrolet Tahoe’s 🤑😜 So the other reality is that things are FAR safer with SUV’s, trucks, pick ups being much BIGGER!

    My own personal feeling was that the environmentists were trying to drive folks wanting/needing size 12 size shoes to size 5 petite. OBVIOUSLY more than 75% of the paying driving public disagree.

    Now don’t give me wrong, I was one person who wanted/needed a (real wee compact) 1970 VW Beetle, bought used in 1971. But even then, I KNEW that I was taking a risk. This car was literally dangerous.(in case of accident) So really, this is not a new concept.

    My folks were not keen on me getting this for a multitude of reasons. But, one reason why was because of the accident/injury/death component. But I got 32/34 mpg with evacuator exhaust. So in approximately 250,000 miles, I happily burnt 7,813 gallons of gas vs 20,833. At that time, a normal car got approximately 10 to 12 miles a gallon. Getting 15 mpg in my folks midsized 1972? sedan was like astonishing & goes without saying ...rare.

    So now with a CUV getting 37 mpg, in 250,000 miles, I will happily burn 6,757 gals. The VW Jetta with 45 to 50 miles a gallon in 250,000 miles,will burn approximately 5,000/5,555 gallons.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 47,924
    The problem with bigger = better is that it eventually becomes an arms race, and often puts people behind the wheel who don't grasp the handling limitations of specific vehicles - much worse for the motoring public when someone is in a Suburban and can't handle it than if they are in a Civic. I think the risk posed to others is calculated seldom, if ever.

    Once again, diesels make all the difference :)

    My 4200+ lb car that can hit 45 mpg on the highway and also be one of the safer vehicles on the road is fine by me.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 19,825
    edited January 30
    fintail said:

    The problem with bigger = better is that it eventually becomes an arms race, and often puts people behind the wheel who don't grasp the handling limitations of specific vehicles - much worse for the motoring public when someone is in a Suburban and can't handle it than if they are in a Civic. I think the risk posed to others is calculated seldom, if ever.

    Once again, diesels make all the difference :)

    My 4200+ lb car that can hit 45 mpg on the highway and also be one of the safer vehicles on the road is fine by me.

    There are walking smart phone users that certainly do not grasp they should look, let alone pay attention while crossing streets? 😱🧐 Then of course, they blame their lack on ...cars, CUV’s, SUV’s, PU trucks, etc.

    The so called “arms race” apocalypse is WAY overblown! The statistics both expose & hide that!

    Yes,! GO DIESEL!
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 13,000
    No diesel comments here! Big Brother is watching... always watching! B)
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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 19,825
    edited January 31
    xwesx said:

    No diesel comments here! Big Brother is watching... always watching! B)

    I posted a link ( some posts ago) to the Wall Street Journal article, (cut to the chase) Indicating the profit dynamics for bbl of oil ratio diesel/gas, etc. has been literally flipped on its’ head. As a result, (historically) the MORE profitable diesel has been made LESS profitable and the gas which used to be profitable (stand alone) is now ...barely IF @ all.

    So to keep the (both) profits flowing, they are GLUTTING the gas PUG/RUG/MGUG inventories, chasing ULSD profits. So help dah USA, take a motor vehicle trip?

    So through an interesting set of dynamics, even in CA though we are tax WAY more, CPMD Cost per mile driven: PUG is app 76% MORE than ULSD, which can cost more than PUG per gal. Same model 21 mpg PUG /37 mpg ULSD.

    And then, there is the POLAR VORTEX......😱

    San Francisco /NYC piers are not 12 ft under water, as promised BY the environmentalists, dates LONGER than since past. Indeed, the new Golden State Warriors stadium is being built on land a few feet above seawater near ...piers. I guess SF didn’t get the FYI memo.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 13,000
    edited January 31
    For a city as precariously perched as SF, they don't seem to get a lot of memos. :p

    That said, I do appreciate the polar vortex phenomenon; we're really enjoying our warm (relatively) reprieve here! On Friday night, the temperature was 0C (32F)! We even had an honest snow storm that evening, midwest style!
    2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2008 and 2013 Subaru Forester(s), 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 19,825
    edited January 31
    Got to love minus- 50 F to -60 F windchill.

    Oh & I do remember being out for 10 hour days of minus- 50 F to minus-70 F! (upstate NY.)

    South Lake Tahoe, CAvis a “killer” at 44° F.👌
  • fintailfintail Posts: 47,924
    My anecdotal experience shows me many more dopey SUV/CUV and aggressive truck drivers than idiots with phones to their ears walking into traffic.

    ruking1 said:


    There are walking smart phone users that certainly do not grasp they should look, let alone pay attention while crossing streets? 😱🧐 Then of course, they blame their lack on ...cars, CUV’s, SUV’s, PU trucks, etc.

    The so called “arms race” apocalypse is WAY overblown! The statistics both expose & hide that!

    Yes,! GO DIESEL!

  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 19,825
    edited January 31
    Not driving your environs, I’m glad for you. I try to avoid routes with any significant pedestrian or bike traffic. It’s really not on my radar.

    While I’m sure of aggressive SUV/CUV, PU truck drivers, % wise, of car/sedan drivers do their fair share of aggressive driving. Then, there are the PASSIVE/aggressive set.🤪😱
  • fintailfintail Posts: 47,924
    I am on foot almost every day of the week in a relatively crowded area. I see a lot more gormless drivers, in my neighborhood especially the upmarket CUV demographic, blowing through occupied green signaled crosswalks (with virtually no enforcement, of course) than I do phone addicts bumbling into traffic lanes. Maybe it's a CA/NV thing :)

    Passive-aggressive, like LLCs - definitely have that covered in western WA.

  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 19,825
    edited January 31
    I’m not sure if I should post this or not, but I had a CHP (behind me for miles) pull over a LLC, that literally refused to get out of the #1/2 lane (of the way) and used the #2/2, right lane & it’s users to help block someone else’s (mine for purposes of this discussion) forward progress. He just pulled behind the perp (after I vacated the #1/2 lanes) & coded! It was a yippee, yahoo moment. Going by the perp & looking @ the driver...priceless.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 13,000
    edited January 31
    ruking1 said:

    I’m not sure if I should post this or not, but I had a CHP (behind me for miles) pull over a LLC, that literally refused to get out of the #1/2 lane (of the way) and used the right lane & it’s users to help block someone else’s (mine for purposes of this discussion) forward progress. He just pulled behind the perp (after I vacated the #1/2 lanes) & coded! It was a yippee, yahoo moment. Going by the perp & looking @ the driver...priceless.

    Wow; one of those rare moments of enforcement that is definitely worth enshrining, even if within this humble thread. :)
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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 19,825
    edited January 31
    Indeed!

    I was always taught, PASS & and get out of the way! Cruising is for the SLOW to SLOWER lanes.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 19,825
    edited January 31
    fintail said:

    I am on foot almost every day of the week in a relatively crowded area. I see a lot more gormless drivers, in my neighborhood especially the upmarket CUV demographic, blowing through occupied green signaled crosswalks (with virtually no enforcement, of course) than I do phone addicts bumbling into traffic lanes. Maybe it's a CA/NV thing :)

    Passive-aggressive, like LLCs - definitely have that covered in western WA.

    Thanks for clarifying that you were not opining from your vehicle perspective. When I posted, I didn’t really know if that was the case.

    Well I guess the POLAR VORTEX is going to force FAR more energy consumption than the global WARMISTS /marxists/socialists want? I would further guess the enviro con’s consumption MODEL are the homeless in tents, or ZERO manufacturing. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bitter-cold-natural-gas-shortages-133018251.html

    Here’s a TMI about natural gas . https://www.investopedia.com/natural-gas-etfs-find-support-as-polar-vortex-sets-in-4585055

    It’s a chilly 60° F right now in Silicon Valley, CA. Neighbors in South Lake Tahoe, CA tell me it’s a balmy 45° F.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 13,000
    It IS balmy!

    -3F here this morning, and it feels pleasant enough. :)
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  • kyfdxkyfdx Everywhere, USAPosts: 126,124
    xwesx said:

    It IS balmy!

    -3F here this morning, and it feels pleasant enough. :)

    Same here.. :(

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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 19,825
    edited January 31
    Yup back to back x 2, 45 degrees days are not supportive for higher elevation snow to skiing.
    So given the POLAR VOTEX/s, it seems almost ironic to pray for storms to support snow for skiing to snow camping. But ironically enough, the storms are hitting the areas where a lot of those people that believe in global warming live.
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-cold-wave-lingers-lose-bite-weekend-095656237.html

    Us heathen/sinners pray for record snow! Even the global warmists take showers, use toilets, & drink water, from the Sierra snow pack!
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 13,000
    kyfdx said:

    xwesx said:

    It IS balmy!

    -3F here this morning, and it feels pleasant enough. :)

    Same here.. :(
    Well, I'm glad you're enjoying it! :D
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  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 13,000
    ruking1 said:

    Yup back to back x 2, 45 degrees days are not supportive for higher elevation snow to skiing.
    So given the POLAR VOTEX/s, it seems almost ironic to pray for storms to support snow for skiing to snow camping. But ironically enough, the storms are hitting the areas where a lot of those people that believe in global warming live.
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-cold-wave-lingers-lose-bite-weekend-095656237.html

    Us heathen/sinners pray for record snow! Even the global warmists take showers, use toilets, & drink water, from the Sierra snow pack!

    No doubt! When I hear news of storms expected in the Sierra, it sounds like nothing but good news to me!
    2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2008 and 2013 Subaru Forester(s), 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 19,825
    edited February 1
    Yes ! God answers pray! I guess something shifted (missed the technical TMI weather terms) and the local news are expecting 3 to 5 feet of snow in the Sierras, Friday to Monday. I say AMEN to yippee, yahoo! The local news mentioned that we are currently at 98% (vs 68% last year) of the snow levels!
  • ronsteveronsteve LooavulPosts: 647
    fintail said:

    This is both very believable and also hard to believe - from my experiences, OR is no better for driving than WA.

    Oregon and Washington, at least in the I-5 corridor, both suffer from the same "queueing" mentality as Wisconsin. There can be a long queue of cars in the left lane, at or barely above SL, just "waiting" for the next overtake, with LOTS of open real estate in the right lane. And they get really nasty if someone attempts to overtake on the right.
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  • fintailfintail Posts: 47,924
    I've had that happen, dolt speeding up as I pass. Fortunately, most of these drones chicken out around 70-75, and enforcement is mostly lax, so bring it on B)

    Cruising down I5 in non-jammed traffic can be entertaining, often the second to the right lane is the most open, and easiest for real speeding.

    ronsteve said:



    Oregon and Washington, at least in the I-5 corridor, both suffer from the same "queueing" mentality as Wisconsin. There can be a long queue of cars in the left lane, at or barely above SL, just "waiting" for the next overtake, with LOTS of open real estate in the right lane. And they get really nasty if someone attempts to overtake on the right.

  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 19,825
    edited February 1
    Yes, that’s been my experiences also. I’ve easily past 25 to 30 cars @ a time before getting back into the (real) SLOW lane. (if you know what I mean.)
  • fintailfintail Posts: 47,924
    edited February 1
    I've been stuck behind a line in the left lane going the speed limit on the nose, with sparse traffic beside it. Eventually I will become irritated, and start passing on the right - often moving past 5-10 in the queue, just dilly-dallying along, nobody having the desire or courage to pass on the right. I know passing on the right is technically verboten in places where driving is treated more seriously, but this isn't western Europe in many ways.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 13,000
    fintail said:

    I know passing on the right is technically verboten in places where driving is treated more seriously, but this isn't western Europe in many ways.

    Well, if they didn't want to be passed on the right, then they would not be driving in the left lane. ;)
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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 19,825
    edited February 1
    Ditto on the above two posts.

    If anybody has ever been stuck behind a fully loaded tractor trailer trying to PASS another FULLY loaded tractor trailer should be able to understand the concept of keeping right EXCEPT to pass. Just because one in the passing is going faster than an overtaking vehicle is a GROSS misunderstanding.
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