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  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 10,903
    fintail said:

    I've had that happen, dolt speeding up as I pass. Fortunately, most of these drones chicken out around 70-75, and enforcement is mostly lax, so bring it on B)

    Cruising down I5 in non-jammed traffic can be entertaining, often the second to the right lane is the most open, and easiest for real speeding.



    ronsteve said:



    Oregon and Washington, at least in the I-5 corridor, both suffer from the same "queueing" mentality as Wisconsin. There can be a long queue of cars in the left lane, at or barely above SL, just "waiting" for the next overtake, with LOTS of open real estate in the right lane. And they get really nasty if someone attempts to overtake on the right.

    Dolts that speed up when you go to pass them (usually forced on the right) don't get an opportunity to compete with me on acceleration. I am stage 1 tuned in either vehicle, and I'll be 2 shifts into my acceleration before they get it kicked into gear or have any throttle response.
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  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 10,903
    As I think I've stated before, in undisclosed laboratory tests on US Freeways and Highways, almost all humans will pass on the right when impeded on the left. Slower pokes passing slow pokes. Slowest pokiest being passed by the slower and pokey.

    In some situations, these were left lane campers being out left-lane camped. Test results indicate that even they would quickly pass on the right, in almost every instance.
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  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 12,994
    Makes sense. Nobody likes being in knotted up traffic... it just doesn't feel comfortable. Why? Well, probably because we inherently realize that it is less safe than traveling in more open conditions. So, we seek those conditions. Perfectly reasonable.
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  • fintailfintail Posts: 47,894
    In Europe, it is a faux pas at the least (if not simply illegal) to pass on the right, and many are unwilling to do it. Of course, their more developed driving culture has far less LLCs than freedomland, so maybe that makes sense.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 19,825
    edited February 2
    In the USA, passing on the right/middle, etc., when the situations presents, makes all the practical sense. Passing on the right, while technically against the law, in SOME states, has exceptions that literally tractor trailers have driven through, of course.

    I’ve even seen HP leo’s pass LLC’s on the right rather than code them to move right or pull them over.

    So for example, you could almost never enforce that in the LA metropolitan freeway system. But then LA, CA has the best speeding, chase, bumper car, crash, flee & arrest videos !🤪
  • fintailfintail Posts: 47,894
    edited February 4
    We have around 5" of snow here this morning, best snow event for at least a few years as far as I know. Nowadays they actually plow and treat the roads (didn't happen 10 years ago) but still funny to see local "drivers" dealing with it. Overcompensator 4x4s flying along without a care (until there's a curve in the road with a ditch), timid people who shouldn't be driving in dry sunny conditions creeping along with no idea where they are on the road. And I am sick, so I have a real excuse to not go out in it, although I am sure the office is empty anyway.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 19,825
    edited February 4
    South Lake Tahoe, CA reports 19 in (1.5 ft +) in the last 24 hrs. https://www.skiheavenly.com/
    I’m not sure what that does to the overall Sierra snow pack, since last report of @ 98%.

    We get something like this plowing our streets. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grader

    Hope you are both getting better & feeling so. Going to the office when no one is there is a good thing in many ways.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 47,894
    I'd have gone in if I wasn't sick, snow doesn't scare me. An empty office can be good indeed. I am better than yesterday anyway, I will drive in tomorrow no problem.

    I just saw an interesting way to clear streets - large ladder fire truck fully chained with a sanding truck behind it. My street is now slushy with no real issues.

    Another thing - cars completely covered other than a 1x1 viewing hole for the windshield. Insanely stupid.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 19,825
    edited February 4
    Down here the nurses almost twist your arms & mug you to get the lastest version flu shots ! Over the last 20 years, I’ve passed almost every year. I’ve never caught the flu, nor colds for that matter.

    The asset is normally sitting around, so for a few more maintenance $$’s, it’s probably a good secondary application, benefiting the taxpayers.

    This situation described is an all around safety hazard for the actual driver and those behind and around the arrogant driver. It probably masks the scofflaw’s tool box of bad habits.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 47,894
    I think I might have got food poisoning. Awfully big coincidence I got sick after eating oddly one afternoon. I seldom get a bad cold or flu, lucky that way.

    Should be well below freezing tonight, tomorrow morning might be fun, but I think most of the real arterials are clear now. After the 2008 snow boondoggle, there was pressure to finally get equipment.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 12,994
    fintail said:

    I think I might have got food poisoning. Awfully big coincidence I got sick after eating oddly one afternoon. I seldom get a bad cold or flu, lucky that way.

    Should be well below freezing tonight, tomorrow morning might be fun, but I think most of the real arterials are clear now. After the 2008 snow boondoggle, there was pressure to finally get equipment.

    Why did you eat oddly? :D
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  • fintailfintail Posts: 47,894
    edited February 5
    A DQ Blizzard, of all things, for the first time in ages. 4 hours later I felt like I was on my last legs, and I was weak as a baby for the next 24 hours (although I tried to play hockey the next morning, bad idea, and driving was also an unusual experience).
    xwesx said:



    Why did you eat oddly? :D

  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 19,825
    edited February 5
    One nightly news indicates that BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit) loses $ 25 M + a year to fare scofflaws! I’m sure if you put that together with pay for lane use would be even more staggering.

    Speaking of blizzards, Highway 80, one of 2 major highways into the Tahoe, CA/NV area, has been closed due to heavy snowfall & blizzard warnings.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 47,894
    edited February 5
    Maybe it woud cost more to police and collect those fares than they are worth. I know in Europe they have random fare police on some trains, but it is generally a less armed and violent society, and probably less prone to incidents.

    I plan on braving the roads in the morning, not too worried, I will take it easy.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 19,825
    I’m not sure what % of the “take” $25 M + actually is. So $25 M by itself can mean a lot to peanuts, as might be implied.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 12,994
    Yes, either lots of scofflaws there, or fairly steep fares!

    As for the Blizzard.... shocking! I would never expect such a thing from a frozen treat, but it could certainly happen. Food poisoning is just terrible. Makes for one helluva 24 hours! :( Glad to hear you're on the mend.
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  • fintailfintail Posts: 47,894
    There will always be some kind of fare evasion, I think. Making it zero probably isn't cost effective.

    I am doing better today, still a bit tired but came to work. Roads had a few icy spots but were generally fine. I notice the city did a better job clearing the arterials than the state did with their off-ramps - where an offramp meets my route was a weird border of bare to snow.
  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 10,612
    edited February 5
    fintail said:

    I notice the city did a better job clearing the arterials than the state did with their off-ramps - where an offramp meets my route was a weird border of bare to snow.

    We have the same situation here where city streets and provincial highways meet. Usually but not always the city does a better job. I never understood why the two govts never sat down and said one or the other would be responsible for the entire system in a given spot, and just bill back or otherwise account for whatever the excess cost is to the other body.

    The number of freeze/thaw/freeze cycles we've had over the last month has really done a number on some areas of highways where maintenance was deferred last year. What were shallow craters in the asphalt are now bomber practice areas, a real mess.

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 47,894
    edited February 5
    There was a big snow event here in 2008 that lasted a couple weeks. There was effectively no road clearing by most cities, and the state did no more than now. It created enough political blowback (mayor soundly lost the next election directly linked to the event) in Seattle to where they at least bought some plow attachments and sanding apparatus, and now many suburbs have it.

    I fear what the roads will be like here in a month, as we could be in for a couple weeks of freeze/thaw too, and what are likely lowest bidder road surfaces seldom age well. Makes a truck or SUV look appealing, 2 years ago my car was damaged by a crater pothole, and telling the city about it was almost like dealing with a brick wall.
    ab348 said:



    We have the same situation here where city streets and provincial highways meet. Usually but not always the city does a better job. I never understood why the two govts never sat down and said one or the other would be responsible for the entire system in a given spot, and just bill back or otherwise account for whatever the excess cost is to the other body.

    The number of freeze/thaw/freeze cycles we've had over the last month has really done a number on some areas of highways where maintenance was deferred last year. What were shallow craters in the asphalt are now bomber practice areas, a real mess.

  • ronsteveronsteve LooavulPosts: 645
    ruking1 said:

    Got to love minus- 50 F to -60 F windchill.

    Oh & I do remember being out for 10 hour days of minus- 50 F to minus-70 F! (upstate NY.)

    South Lake Tahoe, CAvis a “killer” at 44° F.👌

    Thing is, the wind chill calculation was changed in 2001, and now gives less weight to the wind speed. So the -50F wind chill we were hearing about last week was closer to -70F in old money.
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  • ronsteveronsteve LooavulPosts: 645
    fintail said:

    In Europe, it is a faux pas at the least (if not simply illegal) to pass on the right, and many are unwilling to do it. Of course, their more developed driving culture has far less LLCs than freedomland, so maybe that makes sense.

    LLCing is also illegal in some US states, and more so in Europe.
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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 19,825
    edited February 5
    On highways 80/50 in and out of Lake Tahoe, NV/ CA, chains are required,except for: four-wheel-drive vehicles....http://www.dot.ca.gov/cgi-bin/roads.cgi?roadnumber=80&submit=Search
    http://www.dot.ca.gov/cgi-bin/roads.cgi?roadnumber=50&submit=Search
    I only get concerned when they do NOT let chained snow removal equipment run.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 47,894
    Yup, illegal, but not well-enforced.

    It's almost a social faux-pas as well in Europe, people usually refrain just to not look dumb. Here, looking dumb can almost be like a contest.
    ronsteve said:



    LLCing is also illegal in some US states, and more so in Europe.

  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 19,825
    edited February 5
    As in the Robert DiNero impression, WHAT!? You talkin to ...ME? What ? You got a problem with that ? 😜
  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 10,903
    fintail said:

    In Europe, it is a faux pas at the least (if not simply illegal) to pass on the right, and many are unwilling to do it. Of course, their more developed driving culture has far less LLCs than freedomland, so maybe that makes sense.

    I'm trying to think of a similar faux pas in the US. Maybe the carpool/HOV lane. Speeders will often avoid crossing into the HOV lane illegally at all costs if they are all by themselves in the car (even if they break the speed law 100% of the time they drive). However, a particularly egregious left lane camper could cause them to do it, and I'd think most of the public at large would be more understanding of the faux pas in such a situation.
    The part of the public that wouldn't be understanding is the LEO's that would issue an expensive citation, not for VC 21654 (Slower Traffic Keep Right), but for the damn carpool violation which is big bucks in CA.
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  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 10,903
    fintail said:

    I'd have gone in if I wasn't sick, snow doesn't scare me. An empty office can be good indeed. I am better than yesterday anyway, I will drive in tomorrow no problem.

    I just saw an interesting way to clear streets - large ladder fire truck fully chained with a sanding truck behind it. My street is now slushy with no real issues.

    Another thing - cars completely covered other than a 1x1 viewing hole for the windshield. Insanely stupid.

    Those drivers generally don't look anyway, so what's the point of having a viewing hole if they don't view? :smile:
    '16 Audi TTS quattro 2.0T, '15 Audi A4 quattro 2.0T, '16 Kia Optima LX 1.6T
  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 10,903
    fintail said:

    Maybe it woud cost more to police and collect those fares than they are worth. I know in Europe they have random fare police on some trains, but it is generally a less armed and violent society, and probably less prone to incidents.

    I plan on braving the roads in the morning, not too worried, I will take it easy.

    You'd think something being "frozen" would kill the viruses in it that poison you. Still, I suspect ice cream gave me my worst food poisoning in my lifetime, and it was a 10 out of 10 on the pain scale for quite some time. I was in the fetal position completely immobilized.
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  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 12,994
    Killing the bugs depends entirely on how cold and how tolerant of cold they are. Things like freezers and refrigerators don't generally kill microbes, the colder temperatures just slow/suspend their activity. So, if the nasty was there prior the freezing, then it can "come back" after introduction to a nice, warm digestive tract! :(
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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 19,825
    edited February 7
    The products’ despenser/delivery system was probably to blame, i.e., poor cleaning procedures, to not done for a while or @ all.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 47,894
    I've used the HOV lane to get around LLCs before (here most HOV are still just a stripe, no double lines or bumps etc dividing them from regular lanes). No cops around, it's not illegal if you don't get caught B)

    andres3 said:


    I'm trying to think of a similar faux pas in the US. Maybe the carpool/HOV lane. Speeders will often avoid crossing into the HOV lane illegally at all costs if they are all by themselves in the car (even if they break the speed law 100% of the time they drive). However, a particularly egregious left lane camper could cause them to do it, and I'd think most of the public at large would be more understanding of the faux pas in such a situation.
    The part of the public that wouldn't be understanding is the LEO's that would issue an expensive citation, not for VC 21654 (Slower Traffic Keep Right), but for the damn carpool violation which is big bucks in CA.

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