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What Will Be a Future Classic?

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  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 23,040
    about the PT Cruiser convertible, is that IMO it's not a "real" convertible. It still has a full, thick, B-pillar with a roll bar. Plus, with the high beltline and the top that still sticks up about 7-8 inches, it just doesn't feel all that open-air.

    I wonder if the market would tend to differentiate between a "real" convertible and a "semi" convertible, such as the PT, VW Rabbit/Cabriolet, W-body Cutlass Supreme, and others that I'm sure I'm missing?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 57,604
    Some cars should never be made into convertibles. The PT Cruiser, the VW Rabbit, The Jaguar XJ-S, the Triumph Stag just to name 4. Very awkward looking IMO.

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  • fezofezo Manahawkin, NJPosts: 10,330
    Those are pretty good examples. The PT Cruiser convertible was a mistake from the get go. With the top down it looks like a misshapen Easter basket. The VW Cabrio and its predecessors had the same problem.

    Thanks, Andre! I always wondered why Bunkie was called Bunkie. You've certainly removed all doubt on taht one.

    That Verduro Green was a pretty funny color for a car. Like they took the idea and started making refrigerators that color. Just when I thought I had blocked out the 70s...
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  • lemkolemko Philadelphia, PAPosts: 15,294
    I just Google-mapped 1580 East Grand Boulevard, Detroit. Post-apocalyptic best describes it.
  • fezofezo Manahawkin, NJPosts: 10,330
    Now that I think of it that Verduro Green Pontiac is something you;d look sharp tooling around in while wearing your leisure suit...
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  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 23,040
    Evidently, somebody doesn't mind that Vedoro green color. On these cars, I think it looks okay. But yeah, with that '68 Bonneville pictured above, it looks like the leisure suit crowd would go for it. I think part of the problem is that in 1968, the big Pontiacs were starting to shed their sporty looks, and were getting a bit tacky. The fender skirts that they put on Bonnevilles certainly didn't help, either!
  • fintailfintail Posts: 41,928
    I am sure I am off on this as I am recalling seeing an old photo, but before I was born, my grandfather had a fuselage Chrysler, and it was a green not too different from that. Not the best color for something so huge.
  • fezofezo Manahawkin, NJPosts: 10,330
    Green is a tough color to pull off on a car. I'm not exactly sure why but it seems to me that you have to get green just right for it work. For some reason red and blue work in all sorts of shades. Yellow is another story altogether.

    Of course now white is the most common color on new cars. Not for me, thanks.
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  • fintailfintail Posts: 41,928
    Few non-British cars can pull off green, and those that can are mainly from the 70s when green was common.

    My mom has a white Taurus with a dark blue interior. My uncle has a white LeSabre with a burgundy interior. You can imagine my opinions of those color schemes. White works on very few cars, and usually cars where just about any color (except for pink, screaming yellow, etc) works. Somehow a white MB with a pano roof is acceptable to me. But I don't like white either - light/silvery blues and greys, please.
  • berriberri Posts: 7,749
    I'm not fond of white because too often it reeks of fleet car. However, white is a good color to look at a car and decide if you will still like its design down the road since it tends to show design flaws. I did have a white Olds once and have to say it actually didn't show dirt as bad as black or dark blue.
  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 5,582
    I dislike burgundy interiors, period. Bright red accents can work on a sporty car. I never liked the Corvette's solid red interior (I think it had solid red carpet plus solid red leather seats and door panels, and maybe a black dash).
  • lemmerlemmer Posts: 2,687
    One man's opinion

    Debate collectibility as you will, but the only one I really would like to own (again) is the 300ZX.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 64,807
    Out of all those... only the 911 is a sure thing.. The last air-cooled Porsche is already in high demand..

    Out of the others? Maybe the Impala SS..

    Ford Lightning? No one cares..

    Aztek? Pleeease..

    Fiero? Total crap..

    Defender? Maybe.. never hear anyone talking about them, though... I see more interest in G-wagens..

    300ZX? A pretty great car, but are there any nice ones left? I think they are all drifting machines...

    Just one Host's opinion.... ;)

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 57,604
    I'll wade in, too!

    Aztek --- never in a million years. Maybe after our sun burns out.

    Impala SS -- this is a minor collectible already but it seems to be a waning star even now. Iffy

    93-98 Porsche 911 (993) -- definitely, especially once everyone realizes how much better the engine is than the 996 motor.

    Fiero -- and when is this supposed to happen? It's been 20 years and you still can't give them away. MAYBE the V-6, 5 speed model will achieve the dizzy heights of the Corvair?

    300ZX -- well first the 240Z, now almost 40 years old, will have to wake up. Doubtful the 300ZX will bet past "nice used car" status.

    Ford Lightning -- who cares?

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 64,807
    You left out the Defender.... what say you?

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  • xrunner2xrunner2 Posts: 3,062
    Who the heck is Mike Solowiow? Is that web site a joke? Edsel a classic? Aztek to be a classic? Is he really Mike Shamwow?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 57,604
    DEFENDER: Actually it's already a collectible, as horrible and nasty a thing as it is. You can get pretty good money for one of these if it's in nice shape and somehow is still running. I've seen prices at $40,000 and up and the money actually changed hands.

    Goes to show ya' -- collect-ability has little to do with merit.

    People buy what they like, and if you have more lovers than you do objects of their affection, the price is going up.

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  • texasestexases Posts: 7,771
    Even bigger laughs from the responses' proposed 'Future Classics':
    Subaru SVX
    5.7 LT1 Buick Roadmaster and the Cadillac Fleetwood
    RX-7 and Supra
    1997 to 2001 Acura Integra
    1st gen Mazda 6
    Marauder, or a late 90’s Crown Vic or Grand Marquis with the HPP option
    Consulier/Mosler, Vector, Saleen, SSC
    Celicas, Integras, Preludes, Supras, 300ZXs, 240SXs, SVXs
    Porsche 928
    Vette C-4’s
    4th-gen F-bodies and the ‘03-’04 Mustang Cobra
    Dodge SRT4
    Lincoln Blackwood
    GMC Syclone
    etc, etc, etc...
  • lokkilokki Posts: 1,200
    Aztek --- I think that some people will save these hoping for an Edsel-style rehabilitation through revisionist history...so in 10 years you are going to see more nicely preserved examples than you'd expect. People who bought them for nothing and squirreled them away against the day it will make them rich. The male version of collecting an attic full of Beanie Babies.

    Impala SS -- I still see these on the streets here in Dallas, but I see more and more of them in terrible condition. They haven't been treated as worth saving by their 1st, 2nd, or 3rd owners - they've been sold as depreciating assets - and the people who have them now are painting them purple and putting spoilers on them. In short, they ain't gettin' no respect.

    93-98 Porsche 911 (993) - The race doesn't always go to the swift and Porsches aren't always collectible, but that's the way to bet.

    Fiero -- Either these are all stored away in air conditioned garages and never driven, or they're already in the junkyards. The last one I saw was 2 or 3 years ago and it was a one-eyed winker, not a maintained beauty.


    300ZX -- For every one of these I see, I see two Supras and the Supras are always in beautiful condition. I think the Supras WILL be collectible and the 300 ZXs will oxidize away.

    Ford Lightning -- Other than some striping, what does it have that I can't get by stuffing my own big engine into a pickup truck?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 57,604
    Subaru SVX --- sure, any decade now. Just you wait. Just wait. Soon. No really.

    5.7 LT1 Buick Roadmaster and the Cadillac Fleetwood -- maybe in the 22nd century?

    RX-7 and Supra -- The RX-7 TT and Supra Turbo yes, the rest of them, no.

    1997 to 2001 Acura Integra -- that's a joke, right?

    1st gen Mazda 6 -- eh.....no.

    Marauder, or a late 90’s Crown Vic or Grand Marquis with the HPP option -- doubt it. We'll just get to dislike them a second time.

    Consulier/Mosler, Vector, Saleen, SSC -- Some Saleens, yes. Consulier is hideous.

    Celicas, Integras, Preludes, Supras, 300ZXs, 240SXs, SVXs -- no, no, no, Supra turbo yes, no, no and no.

    Porsche 928 -- last model GTS yes, the others? 30 years and still worth only $6,000.

    Vette C-4’s -- 22nd century.

    4th-gen F-bodies and the ‘03-’04 Mustang Cobra -- who cares?

    Dodge SRT4 -- who cares?

    Lincoln Blackwood -- maybe for the US Army artillery range?

    GMC Syclone -- it's had its chance and not much happening.

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  • jrosasmcjrosasmc Posts: 1,711
    How about the 2nd-generation BMW E28 5-Series (1982-88)? Do you think they'll become classics like the 2002s before them? I do have to say, whenever I see a mid-80s 528e advertised for under $2,000 I laugh to myself and wonder how in the world they got so low. Then again, you get high BMW parts and service prices for not a lot of performance, no?
  • fezofezo Manahawkin, NJPosts: 10,330
    What? My 99 Celica isn't a classic??

    That's all right. Just got it because it was pretty cheap and the top came down. The fact that it's as cheap to keep as a Corolla doesn't hurt either.
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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 57,604
    Old BMW sedans are just nice old used cars and that's what they'll always be IMO. You know, the $2,000 to $6,000 hobbyist crowd, a small niche.

    They made a ton of them,and they last a long time, so the supply demand equation is going to depress values for the next 20 years at least.

    Fact is, they aren't very interesting cars if you ask me and they suck up your money and attention with very little payback for the owner.

    Maybe a 80s era BMW 325 drop-top that's real pretty, in a good color, could bring second-tier money in another ten years.

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  • fezofezo Manahawkin, NJPosts: 10,330
    How to predict a classic.....notable "cars of the year."
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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 57,604
    I can say with pride that I never owned any of them, nor did I ever want to, nor do I ever want to.

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  • fezofezo Manahawkin, NJPosts: 10,330
    I didn't own any either thank goodness.

    The one that I drove and rather liked was the Contour which was definitely OK for what it was. Can't even say that about the rest of them.
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  • texasestexases Posts: 7,771
    Great list. Here's my take.
    True dogs: 1983 Renault Alliance, 1974 Ford Mustang II
    Dogs in retrospect: 1971 Chevrolet Vega, 1980 Chevrolet Citation
    Near misses: 2002 Ford Thunderbird, 1997 Cadillac Catera, 1985 Merkur XR4Ti
    Who cares?: 1997 Chevrolet Malibu, 1990 Lincoln Town Car
    Decent car, sales flop: 1995 Ford Contour/Mercury Mystique
  • berriberri Posts: 7,749
    Yeah, I agree. Those dogs could all be on a worst car list though. The Contour had some teething problems which really killed it I think. Typical Detroit, shove it out before its ready, over due the cost cutting, and then act dumbfounded at the consequences.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 57,604
    You know the Old Rule: Loved when new, then loved when old; otherwise, forget about it.

    I guess you could say that a Love/Hate relationship when new might also translate into some degree of collectibility.

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  • fezofezo Manahawkin, NJPosts: 10,330
    Let's see... some of these you can figure out.....

    Bot the Contours and the Thunderbird had a couple of fatal flaws in them. The Contour has early bugs (SURPRISE! Can you say Focus?) and the Thunderbird was pretty enough but built to drive on a highway which really wasn't supposed to be the idea.

    The Vega and Citation both got sent out with fatal flaws. The Vega had that godawful aluminum block that let you join the head gasket of the month club, The Citation was supposed to replace the Malibu and wasn't at all ready for something like that. It had too much that was brand new to GM and just had too much of a task staying in one piece. In both cases a nice thought combined with awful execution.

    The Malibu and Town Car were just forgettable vehicles.

    This of course brings us back to the Alliance and the Mustang II. What on earth were these people thinking? I mean both the manufacturers and even more so the folks that said this is the car of the year!??!? Were there no other nominees in those years? Surely SOMETHING had to be out there! Didn't even have to be good - just not awful. Heck, they somehow managed to never name the Pacer as car of the year.

    Speaking of that I actually had a friend who ahd a Pacer and replaced it when it dies with an Alliance. Needles to say he didn't ask me about buying cars...
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