Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!





Luxury Lounge

1697698700702703713

Comments

  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I think LG already sorted this one out. However, the Top Gear wet lap for the LFA has left a lot of people wondering about its dry track performance capability.

    Yeah it's really too bad that it was raining that day, as we're unlikely to ever see the Stig in the LF-A again. The LF-A has an unofficial lap around the Nurburgring at 7:24, which is just about the same time as the Enzo, Maserati MC12, and the 600hp version of the Zonda F. Obviously its not the same as the TG test track, but that would suggest a dry time of around 1:19 given how those other cars did.

    The 700hp Gumpert Apollo Speed did the ring in 7:11, so the LF-A just wouldn't be able to catch its 1:17 Top Gear time.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419

    I think the M3 sedan is also a sales flop, and from what I've read, a bunch of people skipped cars in this segments for the GT-R.


    Yeah I remember hearing that somewhere. Supposedly the sedan will be dropped for the next generation, and my guess is that Audi won't do an RS4 this time.
  • 2001gs4302001gs430 Posts: 767
    The 700hp Gumpert Apollo Speed did the ring in 7:11,

    Isn't balance and grip more important in lapping tracks quickly (of course you need enough power to deal with the straight sections)? There are many cars out there with better hp or power to weight ratio than the GT-R, but only manage similar or worst track time.

    All that said, I don't believe Lexus is taking this approach to market the LFA. They are focusing on driving experience and exclusivity. Some people predicted that Lexus will have to cancel the production run early due to not enough buyers, but it seems that they already have more than 500 interested parties.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Isn't balance and grip more important in lapping tracks quickly (of course you need enough power to deal with the straight sections)? There are many cars out there with better hp or power to weight ratio than the GT-R, but only manage similar or worst track time.

    Oh definitely. The GT-R tied the F430 Scuderia which is considerably lighter, thanks to the grip provided by that AWD system.

    Being able to match the performance of the Enzo or Murcielago SV or maybe even the Zonda F is no small feat for a company that's never done this before. It's certainly a great car, I'm just not sure about it being a great investment. You never know though, I never would've thought that a Hemi Cuda would be worth boat loads of money. Who knows where the collector market will be 20 years from now.
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,630
    edited March 2010
    Caught this today for everyone's review...sounds promising.

    Transonic Combustion, a startup based in Camarillo, CA, has developed a fuel-injection system it says can improve the efficiency of gasoline engines by more than 50 percent. A test vehicle equipped with the technology gets 64 miles per gallon in highway driving, which is far better than more costly gas-electric hybrids, such as the Prius, which gets 48 miles per gallon on the highway.

    Transonic Combustion

    image

    Efficient exotic: Transonic Combustion put its new fuel-injection technology into this sports car, which weighs about as much as a Toyota Prius hybrid and has similar aerodynamics. It’s not a hybrid, but it gets better gas mileage than a Prius.
    Credit: Transonic Combustion


    Regards,
    OW
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    edited March 2010
    Well... I read all the pages and pages of comments, and there is some suggestion that there isn't anything new at all about this... that it is essentially a remake of an expired patent from about twenty years ago which was also largely about pre-heating the fuel.

    Over the years there have been all kinds of devices claiming to accomplish incredible fuel efficiency and gas mileage, and for one reason or another, the car companies were never interested in doing anything other than protesting every single proposal or suggestion that was ever made that might require them to increase their CAFE.

    Even then, the auto companies would sell massive amounts of underpowered vehicles to the car rental companies in order to manipulate the CAFE numbers. There are also stories, or rumors (no one ever really seems to know) that the oil companies bought out all those inventions, or that somehow the inventors died mysteriously... somehow suggesting that the oil companies were in a conspiracy to make sure we were all using as much gas as possible, because it was in their best interest. Who knows?

    Nowadays, the world is more receptive to the idea of fuel efficiency, but the bottom line is that there are still very few real life products, and plenty of concepts. Seems to me that in this age of advanced technology, it's strange that we don't have many more fuel efficient choices beyond a Prius and a motorcycle. Gotta wonder why.

    Thanks for the post! BTW, "transonic" has a nice ring to it, don't you think? ;)

    Great marketing appeal (or gimmick?).

    Bottom line dude... it's anybody's guess whether we'll ever really see this thing go into production, or even if it's a legitimate product in the first place. :)

    TM
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    edited March 2010
    What happened to Toyota... that they went from building the world's most reliable cars to a company that can't get a car's only two primary pedals to work properly?

    Toyota's have lost their proper "go" and their proper "stop". What's left?

    Now that Toyota has reached the low point of not being able to provide two working pedals in their vehicles, the only thing left for them to do is manufacture......... Fred Flintstone vehicles.

    image

    image

    As illustrated, this could also prove to be too technically challenging for Toyota.

    TM
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Even then, the auto companies would sell massive amounts of underpowered vehicles to the car rental companies in order to manipulate the CAFE numbers. There are also stories, or rumors (no one ever really seems to know) that the oil companies bought out all those inventions, or that somehow the inventors died mysteriously... somehow suggesting that the oil companies were in a conspiracy to make sure we were all using as much gas as possible, because it was in their best interest. Who knows?

    The idea of the great conspiracy to destroy the 100 mpg carburetor might've held a bit more water in the '70s, but today it just doesn't fly. Automakers are not in a secret pact with oil companies to keep efficiency down and consumption up.

    That's not to say that engineers and designers weren't lazy while gas was cheap. Part of the problem was ever increasing safety standards, but lazy engineering and relentless feature creep also has a lot to do with why today's cars are so big and heavy.

    Automakers have gotten the wake up call, particularly if they want to meet upcoming EU regulations. You can't get away with cutting corners anymore. The Aston Martin Cygnet is a cynical and rather ridiculous attempt to improve the company's overall ratings while doing nothing, but most automakers are being very aggressive now in trying to increase efficiency as much as possible with hybrids, pure electrics, range extending gas/electric models and diesel electrics.

    I think if there was some sort of miracle technology out there, automakers would be scrambling to implement it.

    As I mentioned before, Honda has been surprisingly absent from this recent efficiency surge. VCM is a nice idea, but its also a very old one and its not that effective. IMA is obsolete technology, any plans for Honda diesels in the US have been abandoned, and direct injection is apparently "too hard" for little old Honda. They need to get with the program.
  • anthonypanthonyp Posts: 1,860
    There always seems to be something that makes claims that do not seem to pan out over time......Just a thought that for some reason makes sense, is if a computer can shut down a number of cylinders depending on demand, then that would seem to lead to meaningful gas savings...?...Why did that not get developed? Thanks for the article anyway....Tony
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,630
    No problem...we will see if it pans out. I agree that more can be done as technology improves and this brand new start-up needs a chance to be tested.

    We've come a long way from the carburetor yet they still use them in racing because they are simple. Fuel injection has improved and electric tech is opening up as well. This Transonic Combustion system looks like it could be something far more advanced and I'm going to keep an open mind because thee can always be improvements to the ICE before all-electric becomes the norm.

    TSCi

    Transonic Combustion, a start-up developing a supercritical fuel injection system that can improve the fuel economy of internal combustion engines by between 50-75% (earlier post), will raise its final round of funding (D round) this year and is targeting production deployment of its TSCi Fuel Injection System by OEMs by 2014, according to Mike Rocke, Transonic’s Vice President Marketing and Business Development. Transonic was exhibiting at the Department of Energy’s ARPA-E Energy Innovation Summit in Washington earlier this week.

    2014 E.T.A.

    image

    Regards,
    OW
  • anthonypanthonyp Posts: 1,860
    I too hope for success for the pioneers....They did speak of an additive--I wonder what--and in this case, a cost savings over a hybrid....and I am sure it will be an imaginative IPO .....Can you guess what it would have done in 1999 :)..

    I might try another diesel, but I`m thinking I`l stick with gas an the next car, which I am having trouble finding....I have comeback to the E Mercedes, as after thinking of Phil`s observations on the state of the electronics being so fast changing, that there would be no substance to them...The new Audi 8- to be- really doesn`t seem to raise the bar from my present car other than electronics....My wife`s BMW has had the electrical problems , and I frankly just do not think it worth the money, although it has it`s high points, and she was really excited when she got it......I think the excitement factor has yet to be found for us.....Any thoughts? Tony
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    edited March 2010
    most automakers are being very aggressive now in trying to increase efficiency as much as possible with hybrids, pure electrics, range extending gas/electric models and diesel electrics.

    Not nearly as aggressive as they could be... not even close. LG... we all know that Mercedes, for example and by their own admission, intentionally just paid the fines associated with their poor CAFE numbers. It has been a matter of standard operating procedure for years and years. It was cheaper to pay the fines, and build the cars the same old gas-guzzling way year after year.

    There was no real attempt or to R & D some serious fuel efficiency. Only in the most recent years have we seen any attempts at all... and that is only because the current marketplace more clearly dictates that they must finally get their act together.

    I don't buy into the conspiracy theories myself... but I do attribute some of the failures to arrogant (and ignorant) automakers and to greedy (and market manipulative) oil companies... sorry, but that's how I see it.

    TM
  • gfr1gfr1 Posts: 55
    TM, et al -- Some comments in "The Star" (Mercedes Club of America) magazine, in case you haven't read it. The S400 Hybrid is ruynning about 10% of S-model sales and only held back by people not being aware of it. "Later this year we will see their first diesel Hybrid, the E300 BlueTec Hybrid, which will be in the "40 plus" mpg range. Retail deliveries of this vehicle are schedud to begin 2011". "Then they will go one step further with the next generation of the S-class. With more than 70 mpg, the S500 Plug-in Hybrid shows the potential of the Mercedes hybrid strategy". They didn't say anything about the "when" of the S500 "next generation". -- gfr1
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    edited March 2010
    thank you gfr1... I saw that yesterday... here's some more for you and the gang...

    image

    Back in January, it was reported that Mercedes-Benz will offer the next-generation S-Class with a plug-in hybrid variant. At the time, insiders said that with the help of weight reduction and aerodynamic improvements, the S-Class plug-in hybrid sedan will be able to return an estimated 67 mpg.

    In an interview with CARandDRIVER, passenger-car development boss Thomas Weber said that the Mercedes-Benz Vision S500 Plug-in Hybrid Concept shown in Frankfurt last year could achieve a fuel-economy of 78 mpg. He said that when the large luxury plug-in sedan hits markets it could hit at least 81 mpg (based on the European hybrid cycle).

    Power will come from a 3.0L V6 gasoline engine mated to a 60-hp electric-motor. In pure-electric mode, Mercedes-Benz expects the plug-in hybrid S-Class to be able to travel over 20 miles at speeds of up to 68 mph.

    Daimler AG said yesterday it will double its investment in green technologies over the next two years for its Mercedes-Benz brand. The Stuttgart automaker plans on spending $1.4 billion in each of the next two years to develop batteries and fuel-efficient engines.


    source: link title

    It's about freakin time...

    TM
  • jlbljlbl Posts: 1,333
    Hi All,

    In two weeks I am going to the New Series 5 premiere at my usual dealer. I'll try to retain some nice information if there is any and the cava glasses let me to do it. Sure I'll share my feeling.

    Regards,
    Jose

    PS: F1-Boss Ecclestone said that F1 engines should be hybrid by 2013. A big move, KERS having been introduced just last season.
  • 2001gs4302001gs430 Posts: 767
    not.
    I wouldn't be so lucky to get one of these. Lexus dealer called last night to inform that I was not choosen :cry: :cry: :cry:
    Oh well, I can only dream... Sarasota water front properties, I have my eyes on you. :D :D
  • 2001gs4302001gs430 Posts: 767
    that is incredible mileage for a large sedan.
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,630
    Tony, what about the Jag XF-R...excitement and luxury at a step up from the typical.

    Regards,
    OW
  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Posts: 1,926
    I think the M3 sedan is also a sales flop...

    I'd have to see some official sales numbers to believe that. Maybe it's a regional/area thing, but around here, I see more M3 sedans on the road than coupes and 'verts. And, personally, I prefer the sedan over the coupe.
  • anthonypanthonyp Posts: 1,860
    Hola Jose

    Long time since you posted :) I would like an un-biased report from yourself.....Might be hard as you have high regards for your own car.....Glad you got that car also Tony
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    I wouldn't be so lucky to get one of these. Lexus dealer called last night to inform that I was not choosen
    Oh well, I can only dream... Sarasota water front properties, I have my eyes on you.


    Blessing in disguise. ;)

    TM
  • 2001gs4302001gs430 Posts: 767
    Those are exactly my wife's words of wisdom.
    I've read that Singarporean buyers (2) paid 800K for each copy, probably due to high import taxes...
  • 2001gs4302001gs430 Posts: 767
    I've seem many coupes and just one sedan in Toronto, so it is probably a regional thing. i wonder if BMW has the data.
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,630
    Not a flop at all. Here is some data for 2008 which is the most current full year data I could find. The M-3 is very desirable afaic. Might not be everyone's cup-of--tea but it sure is one of the best examples of the words "sports car" in any car on the planet.

    18,000 Global - 2008

    Regards,
    OW
  • tlongtlong CaliforniaPosts: 5,164
    In two weeks I am going to the New Series 5 premiere at my usual dealer.

    Does that mean we finally get rid of Bangle styling? Perhaps the 5-series will be handsome again.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    There was no real attempt or to R & D some serious fuel efficiency. Only in the most recent years have we seen any attempts at all... and that is only because the current marketplace more clearly dictates that they must finally get their act together.

    I agree, the point I was making was that to argue that there's some amazing 80 mpg fuel injector or whatever out there and that automakers are in a secret pact to not use it is silly. The push to make dramatic gains in fuel economy is just starting, but it is happening.

    My own S6 is very much an example of the old way of doing things. It's very heavy and it drinks gas like a Chevy Suburban. I bought it in part because its the old way taken to the extreme. The current S6/S8 and M5 are likely to be the last time V10s are used in luxury sedans and I wanted to experience one before they are gone for good. V12s are still around for the prestige factor, but eventually those will probably have to go as well.

    The new S4 3.0T is considerably more efficient than its V8 predecessor, and I would expect that the TT V8 powered S6 4.0T will bring similar gains compared to the V10. It's a start.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Not a flop at all. Here is some data for 2008 which is the most current full year data I could find.

    The sedan is the worst selling of the M3 variants. It's beaten by the coupe more than 3 to 1. I'm not sure what BMW was expecting, but the rumor at least is that the sedan will not return next time.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    edited March 2010
    Does that mean we finally get rid of Bangle styling? Perhaps the 5-series will be handsome again.

    BMW is basically back to the "small, medium, large" styling method they used prior to the '02 745. The new 5 is just a mix of the 3 and 7. The ugliness of the current car is gone, but it doesn't really stand out anymore either. It's just sort of there - midsized BMW.

    On the upside, the interior is also shrunken 7 series, and it absolutely blows the blocky, bland E class interior out of the water. It's better than the Jag and better than the new M, although for Infiniti, the M's interior is spectacular. The ball is now in Audi's court.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    BMW efficient dynamics

    A great shot at Ingolstadt from Munich in this.
  • jlbljlbl Posts: 1,333
    Haha, I enjoyed it. :D

    Regards,
    Jose
Sign In or Register to comment.