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  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Great driving roads and destinations here in Northern/Central California are plentiful. Drives up or down the PCH (Pacific Coast Highway / Hwy. 1) are always great. Drives up and down Mt. Tam or Mt. Diablo, trips to Carmel and Monterey, as well as Napa Valley wine country. Further north are the majestic giant redwoods and further East is Lake Tahoe and the mighty Sierras. Scores of cool untravelled backroads are for the taking. There are roads along, near, and including Skyline on the Peninsula. East Bay has tons of undeveloped areas with deserted roads that wind through old ranches and open space. Gosh, there's a TV show out here spanning many years just dedicated to driving adventures called "Bay Area Backroads". It was sponsored by Jeep, because some of those trips went off-road. But plenty were fine for the rest of us.

    This country is loaded with great places to drive! And anyone from Canada, like Dewey, also has no excuse to complain that it's not possible to enjoy driving. It doesn't require an incredible car to enjoy a trip, but it certainly makes it more fun to drive a performance car on some trips. Apparently, some trips require a Jeep! ;)

    Obviously, from your post, you enjoy, appreciate, and take advantage of the pleasures of driving that exist in your unique and special area of the country. I think that's cool. :)

    TM
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Lo and behold, a North Carolina traffic cop was camping out just waiting for me at that particular moment.

    That's always when it happens. After a string of tickets several years ago, I decided that I simply won't drive faster than around 72mph, unless I've got a "safety pack" of cars around me, as is often the case on I83. If I'm going to be late I'll just have to be late, that's much better than having to pull over for 10 minutes, being a lot later, and really annoyed when I get there.

    I absolutely agree with tag, its quite possible to have fun behind the wheel without speeding. Speeding by itself (unless you're going "go directly to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200" fast) isn't fun, especially in a boring car. I actually prefer to go 72mph and relax and enjoy the stereo, rather than having to worry and watch for cops the entire time.

    What makes a sports car worth it is being able to take a tight corner on a back road at 60mph, perfectly legal, when an SUV would have to slow down to 40mph for the same corner. Blowing past those yellow "suggested speed" signs by 20 or 30mph is lots of fun, and the cops can't get you for that.
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 4,163
    "Blowing past those yellow "suggested speed" signs by 20 or 30mph is lots of fun, and the cops can't get you for that."

    Amen.
  • m4d_cowm4d_cow Posts: 1,491
    Speeding is near to impossible in some places, but I-5s pretty flexible at times. And driving around eastern Oregon is a breeze.
    Top speed isnt much of a priority to me, driving swiftly through twisties is a lot more fun. Too bad most drivers prefer straightline acceleration and speed over handling.... I dont understand where the fun is in that.
  • oacoac Posts: 1,594
    Top speed isnt much of a priority to me, driving swiftly through twisties is a lot more fun. Too bad most drivers prefer straightline acceleration and speed over handling.... I dont understand where the fun is in that.

    Not that I will disagree, on the face of it, with this sentiment, BUT... and its a huge but...

    Cars we talk about here have a common trait - high performance, relatively high HP's and torques, and of course have all the burden of high $$$. To imagine that the high outputs from the ever increasing modifications of the engines in these cars are not meant to give the driver an exhilirating ride be it on twisties or on straight lines, is defeating the whole purpose of these cars. What is the point of a 300hp motor in a body under 3500Ibs? Is this not the real definition of a car meant to give the driver the ultimate in driving performance and speed.... We talk often (OK, not just us, but auto rags) about 0-60/0-100 and all those stats.... If an IS350 does it in 5.5s, with a 305hp motor, BMW must up their I-6 with a TT and reach same HP and of course, faster time through the straightline... ditto Infiniti or MB.

    So yes, I concur with all of the points raised, especially from TAG and LG, but argue that for some of us with a strong lead-foot, a HUGE part of owning these lux performance cars is the speed the cars can safely reach and exceed without even the slightest hint of a perturbation... To drive a BMW at 110mph is nothing... Who doesn't want to have that feeling? Isn't that the whole purpose of the famed German Autobahn's? Maybe I need to equip my e60 for the tracks and go have my speed fun out there. It may well be about the only place left for some of us who loves to drive fast.....

    Talking about equiping my ride for higher performance, I just put on 19" M5 sport rims on my e60, and those 19"s rides so smoothly its intoxicating. Here is a pic...
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    Now tell me if you won't wanna drive this car to its limits? It can get so frustrating on these California roads with cops everywhere... the county needs cash and its the easiest $$-generating channel for these politicians. That's my beef... Taking the fun out of driving... We get stuck in so much traffic out here, its ridiculous... And when you do have open roads, you hesitate cos, well... a traffic cop may just be lurking waiting to pounce on you....

    Oh well... its not all bad tho'...
  • m4d_cowm4d_cow Posts: 1,491
    I dont mean it that way. Speed is good, but handling comes 1st for me, speed is close 2nd. What I'm saying is many, especially younger ones, dont even appreciate handling anymore. Have you met those stoplight racers? They challenge you to a quarter mile but when twisties come they just chickened out.
    I agree with you that speed and handling should come together in one package. And many cars deliver that, but few appreciate those traits. They all just go, "hey my car goes to 60 in 5 sec flat!! Cool!!!" "Hows the steering, understeers a lot on the s bends? Huh? what are you talking about? who cares?"... oh well....

    Btw your car looks cool on those 19"s. Good taste imo.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Who doesn't want to have that feeling? Isn't that the whole purpose of the famed German Autobahn's?

    That's pretty much the reason I decided to try something new after 12 years of the Lexus LS400/430. The LS is certainly one of the better highway cruisers out there, but the S6 is just so much more solid, and composed. In some of the rental boxes I've driven, 75mph is about as fast as you want to go, but the S6 just laughs at that kind of speed, it says wake me up when you hit 140mph. Unfortunately we're stuck with American roads (and must share them with American drivers) so my S6 is never going to need its true capabilities.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Oh well... its not all bad tho'...

    Definately not all bad.

    Remember Tricky Dicky's 55 mph speed limit? :sick:

    Let's count our blessings.

    BTW, I really like those 19" rims. (and the e60). :)

    TM
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    my S6 is never going to need its true capabilities.

    True, yet you will still experience and cherish most of your S6's capabilites within the speed limit.

    Lucky Dog!

    TM
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    many, especially younger ones, dont even appreciate handling anymore.

    Shame... but, that's what distinguishes most of us here. We totally appreciate the driving dynamics. We connect to our cars. Those others you speak of might as well be operating an appliance.

    I think we are a very fortunate group to fully appreciate those driving characteristics. I'd hate to think that I might have ever gone through my life and not had the thrill and genuine pleasure I get from driving.
    Thank you, Lord! :blush:

    :)

    TM
  • jlbljlbl Posts: 1,333
    Sometimes I find it when speeding on highways. But most times I do it on collateral roads, no matter if slowly pacing and enjoying the moment, or looking for the brake&speeding rhythm whilst linking bents and grade breaks. Not trying to put anyone in danger, however. Yet always I feel the car and the road with all my senses. Then the car is one with myself. Mystic? No, earthly sensory. ;)
    Like in dancing, making music, skiing: in the end everything comes to feel motion.

    Regards,
    Jose
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,626
    Agreed. After you pass the pack, the fun is over until you pass through the next! ;)

    Might as well slow down and enjoy the scenery until the next hyper miler blocks your view!

    Regards,
    OW
  • oacoac Posts: 1,594
    That's pretty much the reason I decided to try something new after 12 years of the Lexus LS400/430. The LS is certainly one of the better highway cruisers out there, but the S6 is just so much more solid, and composed.

    A man after my hearts, LG. On a spur, I put up my LX470 for sale. A guy showed up and said he'd like to buy my LS as well. I didn't even flinch. I said go ahead, make me a deal. He did, and that was all it took. In replacement, I bought an A4 and an e60. I plan to retire at 55 (10 more years from now), and Lexus just didn't meet my needs at this time of my life. But I saw the IS-F (with a NewportLexus dealer tag) the other day, and I think that is a car I can really see in my future once the kids are all gone :D
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 4,163
    "Further north are the majestic giant redwoods. . ."

    Absolutely! I've enjoyed many of the roads you described, and have done the old (side road now) "redwood highway" a couple of times in a Miata with the top down, as well as in my MGB a couple decades earlier, also with the top down.

    I travel quite a bit for business, so the Ohio thing was even more special, as I'm not there that often.

    Either way, driving is the thing for me. It's better in my "home" car, but okay in a rental. Going around corners is pure pleasure in a car you know well and that's capable -- in a rental Impala, not so much. But then there's that Amish poetry in motion that was the team of matched draft horses working hard and enjoying it -- beyond priceless. I guess I'm a teamster (old school -- see drayman) at heart.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    But I saw the IS-F (with a NewportLexus dealer tag) the other day, and I think that is a car I can really see in my future once the kids are all gone

    I'm a lot more interested in the upcoming RS4. The IS-F's body kit is a bit too "Fast and Furious" for me, and I don't like the bright aluminum trim on the inside either. The RS4 will likely use a twin turbo version of Audi's latest V6, which I think is a better choice than a V8, and it wont have to shout about the fact that its a super-hot Audi.
  • anthonypanthonyp Posts: 1,860
    Hi Mr H

    How is the new car working out?? I am sure you are pleased as you go to alot of trouble to make it that way :) Never the less missing you posts Tony
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,302
    Thank you for thinking about me Tony.

    The car is perfect- solid build quality with absolutely no squeaks or rattles. I must admit, every one of my 3 BMW's had some mildly annoying eccentricities. The 545i, for example, when sometimes I touched the switch to make the driver's window go back up, the window would go up half-way and then go back down again. It didn't do that every time, but enough times to be annoying. Shouldn't happen with a $55k car.

    My current vehicle is absolutely flawless compared to the BMW's. All the windows work properly, for example. No annoyances of any kind. The satellite radio has quickly become a favorite. The break-in period is over. I am getting on average:24.5 mpg with regular fuel, which is very nice.

    I could have stayed with BMW. Money wasn't a problem. What really turned me off to BMW: I didn't like how BMW service treated me when I brought the 545i in with a weak battery last November. They kept the vehicle overnight, without replacing the battery and then sent me on my way the next day, so I got stuck with a dead battery that evening in a shopping center parking lot and had to have it towed back to the dealer!

    Other annoyances:

    My account was always screwed up on the BMWFS website. In contrast, the current vehicle's website is perfect. My account is readily available. Whenever BMW mailed me something, my last name was always spelled wrong. I eventually gave up calling them to fix it. Hopeless!

    I got tired too of the phony BMW "we are here to serve" BS of the sales and service people. The folks I deal with now are GENUINELY eager to serve. Believe me, Tony, I can tell the difference!

    So, too many things alienated me from BMW. They had better get their act together. I won't be the only customer leaving them.

    The current vehicle handles well, since it is compact, but it does have a small bit of body lean, which of course was totally absent in the 3 BMW's. Even though it is FWD, absolutely no torque steer. The current vehicle comes with adaptive steering which is something I can do without. I like consistent maximum steering effort throughout the driving experience.

    Of course, the current vehicle could use a bit more power, but for 3000 lbs. or so, a 5 cylinder engine with 6 speed Tiptronic AT is adequate.

    Some truckers already are out for revenge, mistakenly perceiving me as being at a disadvantage. I have already embarrassed a few of those red necks, absolutely preventing them from passing me from either side on the interstate. They forget: cars like mine were developed for the Autobahn!

    To really stick it to those guys, I am attempting to design a special right foot arch support, containing pieces of lead symmetrically placed around the support, so I can make it extremely difficult for folks to pass me, due to the added weight pressing down on the accelerator, and the power boost it would provide.

    I have not received a stern warning from the FHP for several months now. (In Toronto and North Carolina, the HP's seem to give out summons. Ewwww!! Nasty!!!) School is about to start here, so the FHP should be out in force. I'll be in "stern warning alert." mode. ;)

    Tony, did you get the Prius? The Prius is too small for me. If I had to have a hybrid, I most likely would go with the Camry.

    Nice chatting with you again, Tony! ;)
  • oacoac Posts: 1,594
    The RS4 will likely use a twin turbo version of Audi's latest V6, which I think is a better choice than a V8, and it wont have to shout about the fact that its a super-hot Audi.

    Can you explain to me why Audi needs an RS* brand? I thought the S* were capable by themselves.... And I like NA engines over turbo- or super-charged... Just a purist, I guess... Those turbos go a 100K miles and they become a dreg... I know I bought one in the B6 A4 1.8T, but I am not planning on holding that car beyond 100K miles. Once it nears that bar, its replacement time...
  • anthonypanthonyp Posts: 1,860
    Hpward I must again apologize for spelling your name wrong again....I slipped back into my old ways---just out of practice :) I won`t be getting a new car for at least another year or so, but was thinking of a hy-bred...Looks like the Honda is a more suitable car if it gets what TagMan thinks (60)....Nothing really catches my attention now, sort of a poor spot to be in.....When is your wife going to start to drive? I was under the impression this was to be her car shortly (the Rabbit) and you were possibly going to get a second car, maybe a bmw when they get their act together and treat you properly :) My wife loves her bmw stationwagon, and doesn`t like the computer so she has had no problem communicating with bmw...When something is wrong she and her friend (saleswoman) get it done immediately and no charge....They see eachother infrequently, and I don`t care for the Audi dealer in Charleston, so see them never....Some low life broke the passenger rear window, a crack, and I am oing to take it to the body place in Miami, Contieche(sp) shortly, driving slowly and enjoying the Interstate if that is possible....Later Tony
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    OAC, I have pondered that same question of with respect to the Audi S and RS designations. I think there is good logic behind combining them into a single performance model packing the necessary credentials... kind of like Mercedes' AMG or BMW's M variants.

    TM
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